Third Class Citizens

Then Zoe it is up to some of us to BE optimistic and MAKE a difference! Make these people feel welcome etc etc..
I for one wo';t even be looking at their status, truly it is irrelevant to me. Gawd i don;t even look at people's profiles unless there is a good reason! lol!

LOL! Lewis, how cute! Can you make one with a pretty picture in the corner?

I don't think that third class citizens should even be allowed to post in the forums. Also, I think they should not be allowed to suck the resources that their 2nd and 1st class betters allow them to share. So, they should have a max draw distance of 5m, unable to rez prims. Ooo..and they should be made to wear a flag sticking out of their head with a big '3', or 'U' displayed. I think that these are reasonable guidelines and constraints for the underclass.

My partner and I are both in SL we both have premium account and we use one shared card
Why don;t you just do that?

ROFL!!!! It makes me think we're like India now with the caste system.

Do I get to make 3rd class avatars walk 10 paces behind me too??

I like griefers... They're cute like little bunny rabits ;0

No hon... you collar them and drag them around instead...


Now what does that remind me of again?

*hands out yellow armbands and starts tattooing the unverified*

A simple head-flag is better, we will be able to see them better from distance.

I am very much hoping all the businesses and merchants foolish enough to use this new information to limit thier business like that will get poor and die out.

I'm not entirely sure of what value this information really is. Whether or not a person has infused LL with a little cash seems entirely irrelevant to the rest of the residents of SL - I've found many good folk among first-day newbies and been greifed by a Beta user. Vice-versa too. It doesn't seem to indicate anything whatever to me other than what they've done financially with LL, which frankly I don't need to know.

The mind boggles.

For greifer control, the idea of hardware IDing makes grand sense. That's a real step in the right direction. Removing the PvP abuse report on the other hand...

The mind boggles.

I would be very surprised if anyone does, fortunately.



*nods* I'm really not sure what information this gives us, at least not beyond the literal. And as you have pointed out, that info is not any use.



The hardware IDing sounds like a good idea, though I'm not really savvy with such things, so am unsure how effective they will be.

What sort of 'pretty picture' do you have in mind?

Lewis

Just a side note for you, Lewis: A significant percentage of the populatin has a problem reading red text on a blue background. May I suggest a far darker background, even black as a better option?

There are quite of few people just like myself that have more than one AV...I personally have a few. This one, SeXXXy, and another one, remains private, has account info...but the others do not. I have been here since December of 2004 and love the game. I am not a griefer, nor are my other AV's.

This new system will be a bit of a nuisance to those like myself as now we are considered to be total newbies when we actually are not...

My question is this...am I, and the many others, going to be possibly 'banned' due to the fact that some of our AV's are new?

Touchy subject this is.....anyone else with me on this one?

Oh yes, and please note that us 'unverified' AV's are NOT inferior to ANYONE!!! So put that in your prim pipe and smoke it....LMAO!

I'd second that suggestion; in addition to reading trouble, throwing in bunch of clashing, fully saturated colours is just tacky o.x

as far as 'picture to go with that' goes, i think Addams Family in the background would fit the context just wonderful

In the tradition of Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong... microcitizenship already means something a lot more than a profile tag will ever say.




I am dead sure I have some 'unverifieds' in the invitation-only Independent State of Caledon group. But they are *anything* but questionable characters.

Some are alts of some celebrity status, scary-rich residents - and I won't say more. They are there to enjoy themselves AS alts.

No matter how many sims you might own, it's nice to be part of a community and unfettered by fame or business IM's. Unverified? Yeah. But it means nothing.

What I find funny is that "something better" already existed. It was called the neg rate.

When I joined, you could instantly tell the assholes from the normal folks by looking at their profiles and all the neg rates they accumulated.

LL got rid of rating so that people would "game" them to get a higher stipend, but then they now have gotten rid of the stipend anyway. (really thought that one through didn't they? )

If we still had the ability to rate each other, you could allow or disallow people on the basis of the number of their positive and negative ratings. This would make the best and most accurate, and more importantly most *fair* "jerk filter" IMO.

Bring back rating and use *that* as a means to rank people into "nice" an "naughty" categories. On top of individuals paying to rate each other, you could add a mandatory minus 10, 20 , 50 or 100 for various griefer offenses.

I once gave a griefer a negative rating in Cordova sandbox for being abusive.
THey immediately turned around and slapped one back on me though I had not done anything.
I do not thing the negative ratings worked well at all.

I feel like having pie, not just any pie, possum pie

But how would you now tell apart an asshole from a 'normal folk' who got griefed by asshole with dozen+ alts dishing out coordinated negative ratings against people they don't like..?

The universal problem with 'tools to weed out griefers' in MMO is, you can be absolutely sure griefers somehow manage to find way to use these very tools to grief :/

Not sure, but cute yet hilarious would be good!

Awesome possum pie?

In yet another of the 3,427 "anti-verification rant" threads today, we see two issues being confused:

Issue #1 is the griefing. The verification status flag is, as I understand it, NOT intended as an anti-griefing tool at all. (Last night, I banned 6 people from our community for behavior and 4 of them had accounts predating Dec. 2005). No, read the new TOS more closely -- LL's answer to griefing is to keep a hash entry identifying your individual computer, thus allowing them to ban your computer from SL and preventing you from creating infinite alts. That is completely separate from the verification flag. Everybody, unverified or not, will have their hash file logged by LL.

Issue #2 is access to adult content. Here is where the verification system comes into play. You cannot access most Adult XXX sites on the web (other than a few teaser photos) without providing ID verification. You cannot enter an Adult book or video rental store unless you are of legal age for that state/city. Yet SL has adult content that is as explicit as what you might find in those RL stores including BDSM, porn videos, escort services, etc. It behooves the SL content providers to put into place any and all verification checks they can in order to limit access to that content -- it will never stop kids from getting to it if they're clever and resourceful enough, but the content provider must be able to demonstrate that they have exercised their own due diligence. If kids are discovered to have sneaked in, see Issue #1.

Verification is about limiting access to XXX content, nothing more. It has no more to do with discrimination than your local adult video store carding you at the register. And from what I've seen around SL, there is still a huge part of the grid which is either PG or non-XXX and which will have no such reservations.

Any store owner who excludes unverified accounts when they're not selling Adult materials is only hurting themselves, I agree. But think it through -- if the unverified resident is going into a store to purchase something, they've either bought some $L and are now verified, or else another resident gave them the $L. It's not going to be the end of the world even if a business owner bans them.

This whole issue, from both sides, is opt-in or opt-out. If you choose not to allow verification, you opt-out. It's your choice. Live with it or get yourself verified.

Ive read a lot of linden comments and I listened to Phillip Lindens birthday Q and A.
What I have learned from all this is that this is one small step into a new system.
LL want the abilty for RL people/companies/etc to organise events inside SL and that currently is not possible without them creating sl accounts and anyone invited to said event creating accounts etc.

LL seems to want SL open to anyone on the planet.

As cindy says, this isn't an anti griefing measure - the anti griefing measure is recoding info from your computer.

We are promised a total rework of land management tools, this is just the first step from what I can tell.