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MadamG Zagato
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07-27-2006 19:34
I was shopping for doors and popped up on something that looked like one of my products. However when all the textures came through, I saw that it was a sad imitation of my Studio, Camera, and an exact duplicate of my Modeling Table (minus my textures)...(I guess they haven't figured out how to get those yet.) They even put out a trunk just like mine. (How original!)

Obviously whomever this person is studied my product just like the last idiot who copied it (probably as an alt...Linden Lab knows who the hell you are btw...) and tried to create yet another pathetic knock off.

Needless to say, my item is now officially under U.S. Copyright protection and I have filed a DMCA complaint. If the infringer decides to file a counter-notification the matter WILL be pursued...

When are you sorry bottom feeders going to come up for air and stop profiting off of the work of others? Well you just met your Goddam match.

(I didn't buy any doors from that place either.)

Here's the infringing item:
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Here's the original:
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Doubledown Tandino
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07-27-2006 19:38
Your item and the alleged infringing item look nothing alike??? Yours is obviously better, theirs is a cheap imitation, but you do not possess the copyright to all circular posing stands and all items relating to photography studio equipment. You are waaay out of line imo.

They are two completely different items. The 2nd person probably looked at your concept, then made their own. That's not stealing.
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Zalandria Zaius
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I won't say it doesn't suck but...
07-27-2006 19:51
I don't think knock offs are really stealing. If they are there's a lot of people "stealing" from me.
MadamG Zagato
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07-27-2006 20:08
I guess we'll let the Courts decide. :) LOL
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Thorne Kaiser
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07-27-2006 20:11
From: Doubledown Tandino
Your item and the alleged infringing item look nothing alike??? Yours is obviously better, theirs is a cheap imitation, but you do not possess the copyright to all circular posing stands and all items relating to photography studio equipment. You are waaay out of line imo.

They are two completely different items. The 2nd person probably looked at your concept, then made their own. That's not stealing.


Where's YOUR shop so I can go copy your stuff. We'll see if it is stealing then :)
Cow Hand
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07-27-2006 20:13
Wrong! Madam Zagato hold the exclusive rights to ANY ITEM relating to ANY ITEM she ever introduces.

Didn't ya know?!
Kiari LeFay
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07-27-2006 20:16
I think part of the problem with proving a knock off in SL is that modelling platforms are common and almost always circular when visible... and the idea of a camera and backdrop can be pulled directly from RL.

The person may have knocked off the work, or maybe didn't... since they didn't steal the textures, it's almost impossible to tell. They still had to do all of the work building it...

It's a bit like RL clothing... if my pants look like levis jeans, in that they have a fly and two legs... is that me knocking off levis or is it just pants?
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 20:20
And Kiari wins the "hit the nail on the head" award for this thread.
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Sabrina Blabbermouth
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07-27-2006 20:21
They could have at least made it look different. It's obvious that they were trying real hard to copy it. You should buy a copy before it gets removed if you filed a complaint. That's too funny. People are not only stupid, but dumb too. Make a product just like someone else and have the stupidity to make it obvious that they are copying.

Sorry this happened to you...again. I would ignore these fools who are supporting it, (prolly alts), they are just jealous.

/OS
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 20:26
From: Sabrina Blabbermouth

Sorry this happened to you...again. I would ignore these fools who are supporting it, (prolly alts), they are just jealous.

/OS


I don't think you can presume to know my presence of mind, emotions, or thoughts, ty.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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07-27-2006 20:27
Personaly it looks like a standard "industrial" type of set up.. whereas madams is a bit more flashy.. Doesn't look like the intended to copy, but they might have..

But Madam, take a deep breath, its easy to get all in arms about something you feel strongly about, heck I do it.. :/

I do not think you will have a valid case, if it for some unknown reason goes to court, I am sure their lawyer will find something similiar to yours that was made before and accuse you of actually being the thief.. :/
Cow Hand
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07-27-2006 20:29
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu
I am sure their lawyer will find something similiar to yours that was made before and accuse you of actually being the thief.. :/


You win the golden prize, my intelligent lil friend.
VolatileWhimsy Bu
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07-27-2006 20:31
From: Cow Hand
You win the golden prize, my intelligent lil friend.


yea!!! do I get a cookie? Oatmeal please no icky raisens :D
Kiari LeFay
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07-27-2006 20:44
From: Sabrina Blabbermouth

Sorry this happened to you...again. I would ignore these fools who are supporting it, (prolly alts), they are just jealous.

/OS


*sigh* Yes. I'm an ALT. You've found me out! *gasp*

I am secretly....

PHILIP LINDEN!
Aaron Levy
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07-27-2006 20:45
Stop to sell babies in a box!
Ryan00 Odets
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07-27-2006 20:46
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If I offend you in the preceeding statement feel free to flame me and call me all sorts of names but this is MY PERSONAL OPINION and I am allowed to voice it.




Well it looks as if all posing stands in SL just became sole property of MadamG. That said it does appear somebody copied and built a studio to compete with yours, why not just accept the fact that unless you copyrighted the everything involved in the studio you have no case. I have a posing stand that with a lil creative engineering and time I can make it look just like yours, and there is nothing you can do about it. Look at the market now, see the obvious knock offs and industry competion? MadamG I say this get off your high horse and start bumping sales, if the copy is cheaper then its time to lower your price to compete if its higher then you need not worry.

Sometimes RL inventors get shafted because people hear about something and figure hell I can make that a hella lot cheaper and it will function the same. Seems that is the case here, you priced the Studio and people bought it and then some people that wanted one was like whooooaaaa nelly I dont have that much cash to spend on a studio to take pictures, and created one and then somebody said hey put that for sale and they did.

I know of a scriptor here in world that would have people attack him so he could copy and reproduce a well know sheild/defence system. He even in the early stages called it ***tech trap and ***orbit. But I know the original is still selling because on my trips to the sandbox I hear people saying I need to save my L$ so I can buy ***/***tech and not the knock off.

So lighten up, ignore them, and act like the mature adult in hte situation. File your reports and sue them in RL, IMO all that will do is make you seem like a greedy insecure person.



**EDIT** yes I am a alt...alternate EGO of a master ASSHOLE..just ask my ex-friends!
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07-27-2006 20:52
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu
Personaly it looks like a standard "industrial" type of set up.. whereas madams is a bit more flashy.. Doesn't look like the intended to copy, but they might have..

But Madam, take a deep breath, its easy to get all in arms about something you feel strongly about, heck I do it.. :/

I do not think you will have a valid case, if it for some unknown reason goes to court, I am sure their lawyer will find something similiar to yours that was made before and accuse you of actually being the thief.. :/

MadamG, make sure you tell the judge to subpeona a list of all the infringers alt accounts to see if they in fact did purchase your Studio like the last thief did. Tell them that you have reason to believe that the infringer obtained your Studio and copied it. Very simple. When and if you go to court over this, please send me an IM exposing the alts of the infringer. It wouldn't surpise me to see this genius is on that list.

From: Cow Hand
You win the golden prize, my intelligent lil friend.
^^^...or this Nobel Prize Winner.

I wouldn't even respond to them. They are just attempting to stir the pot. Sent you an IM.
Sabrina Blabbermouth
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07-27-2006 21:09
From: Ryan00 Odets
Well it looks as if all posing stands in SL just became sole property of MadamG. That said it does appear somebody copied and built a studio to compete with yours, why not just accept the fact that unless you copyrighted the everything involved in the studio you have no case. I have a posing stand that with a lil creative engineering and time I can make it look just like yours, and there is nothing you can do about it. Look at the market now, see the obvious knock offs and industry competion? MadamG I say this get off your high horse and start bumping sales, if the copy is cheaper then its time to lower your price to compete if its higher then you need not worry.

Sometimes RL inventors get shafted because people hear about something and figure hell I can make that a hella lot cheaper and it will function the same. Seems that is the case here, you priced the Studio and people bought it and then some people that wanted one was like whooooaaaa nelly I dont have that much cash to spend on a studio to take pictures, and created one and then somebody said hey put that for sale and they did.

I know of a scriptor here in world that would have people attack him so he could copy and reproduce a well know sheild/defence system. He even in the early stages called it ***tech trap and ***orbit. But I know the original is still selling because on my trips to the sandbox I hear people saying I need to save my L$ so I can buy ***/***tech and not the knock off.

So lighten up, ignore them, and act like the mature adult in hte situation. File your reports and sue them in RL, IMO all that will do is make you seem like a greedy insecure person.



**EDIT** yes I am a alt...alternate EGO of a master ASSHOLE..just ask my ex-friends!


Your Name tag says it all! LMAO
Why are YOU being so defensive? Are you the infringing party or an alt of them? Don't compare apples to oranges here.

That whole paragraph sounds like something Adolf Hitler might say. Now I am not calling you Adolf Hitler, but comparing your statements to something that I think might come from his mouth.

It's funny how the SL community supports condemming those who resell freebies, but support reselling,stealing, and copying products that cost money. What a communist approach.
Cow Hand
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07-27-2006 21:28
From: Over Sleeper


I wouldn't even respond to them. They are just attempting to stir the pot. Sent you an IM.


I'm seriuosly amazed that so many lack the common sense to realize there is no case to be had here. LOLZ!

The hilarity of it all is just too much!!!!
Ryan00 Odets
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07-27-2006 21:29
From: Sabrina Blabbermouth
Your Name tag says it all! LMAO
Why are YOU being so defensive? Are you the infringing party or an alt of them? Don't compare apples to oranges here.

That whole paragraph sounds like something Adolf Hitler might say. Now I am not calling you Adolf Hitler, but comparing your statements to something that I think might come from his mouth.

It's funny how the SL community supports condemming those who resell freebies, but support reselling,stealing, and copying products that cost money. What a communist approach.



Well little lady I hate to bust your bubble I am not supporting somebody stealing anything! In this world people seem to think everything is unique to them and that they are the only people able to create something. Yes the other studio might be a copy of the one MadamG makes, or it might be something that the person saw and said ya know I can do that and maye just maybe changed how some of the controls work or something along those lines. As for my tag yes I am just a stupid redneck, but your last name does you more justice than anything you can respond with!!!!

As for me being a alt of the accused nope not me hell I wanted one of hte studios but cant bring myself to spend the money on it, I have more important things to buy ATM, and god only knows I cant build to save my damn life hahahahaha!!!

As for this being a communist appoach to doing business, not in the least its called competion and it exists in RL. Go to the Dollar General Store and look at all the products that are cheaper and the exact same thing asn teh name brands. **sighs** Guess good ole' Dollar General Corp. is communist!
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 21:29
From: Sabrina Blabbermouth
That whole paragraph sounds like something Adolf Hitler might say. Now I am not calling you Adolf Hitler, but comparing your statements to something that I think might come from his mouth.


I call Godwin.
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Spaceman Opus
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07-27-2006 21:42
From: Phedre Aquitaine
I call Godwin.


He just shut down a little while ago...

/108/6c/124897/1.html#post1181509

:D
Jesse Malthus
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Join date: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 649
07-27-2006 23:01
I agree with Ryan00. First: Immitation is the most sincere form of lfattery. You've obviously created a good enough product to warent being duplicated, you should take pride in that. How did I start scripting? By trying to reimplement and improve the ideas of others
Two, there are no patents in SL. You do not own the rights to all modeling stands in SL. The concept of a modeling studio with a backdrop and a camera and a round posing stand is not copyrightable. Imitation is not infringment. Your textures and scripts are not being used, and they are copyrightable.
Three, the DMCA is a vile piece of legislation. You are using it in exactly the way it was designed for: large names/companies trying to beat down the little guy.
And four: stop with the ad hominem attacks. Yelling "ALT!!!!11" when someone disagrees with you is no way to conduct a discussion.
--Jesse
PS: Props for knowing about Godwin's law. Yey BBS!
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-27-2006 23:09
looking at both studios i wonder if it would even the thing a bit if i dissected both and made an item superior to both (you know i can do it ^.^)
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-27-2006 23:13
From: Kyrah Abattoir
looking at both studios i wonder if it would even the thing a bit if i dissected both and made an item superior to both (you know i can do it ^.^)


All modelling stands and backdrops are doomed.
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