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ResMod Round One: A Post-Mortem

Zapoteth Zaius
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01-26-2006 13:10
Forum Moderates Hotline Post - by Zapoteth Zaius

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Juro Kothari
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01-26-2006 13:10
From: Margaret Mfume
Fair might be a better word than transparent since (almost) everyone seems to have been equally clueless about what was going on.


I wasn't... I volunteered in Jeska's thread. Now, I *was* surprised I got picked.. actually, more like shocked, but you get the point.
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Moopf Murray
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01-26-2006 13:10
From: Jeffrey Gomez
I think you're being a little too harsh, man. It doesn't look in any way like they're "forcing us to take the position," because hey - I walked away from it.

But the public announcement point is well taken, and that's part of the reason I'm freaking out, err, bringing this up in the first place. Because I didn't get the memo until after the fact.


I dislike raking people, especially the Lindens, over hot coals. But here it seems more or less necessary to get the process hammered out. Carry on.


Ah OK, so they've removed you from being a ResMod now? There's two ways of looking at the public announcement, however:

(a) It was a mistake to do it before people had agreed (if they'd intended to get people who hadn't actually applied to agree, then I find this one hard to believe) or,
(b) Announce it and basically run with it until/unless it blew up in their face (I'm getting a nagging sense of deja vu here because a common theme with the Lindens is to announce first then deal with it later, and backtrack if needed, if the shit hits the fan)

I know which my money is on :) Unless they're just so appaulingly disorganised that even getting people to agree to do something before they're announced as doing it is something outside the operational abilities of them. Well, that's kinda possible I guess based on past history. :rolleyes:
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Jonquille Noir
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01-26-2006 13:11
From: Juro Kothari[color=black
]I think you may have meant to say 'nominated' vs. volunteered? If you volunteered for it, why would you be upset over it? I think that anyone who has been nominated, should be asked to accept or decline the nomination as a first step in the selection process.

Anyway.. I could be off - but that's my $.02 :)
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Juro, I'm volunteering you to help us move at the end of April. Congratulations!
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Juro Kothari
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01-26-2006 13:13
From: Jonquille Noir
Juro, I'm volunteering you to help us move at the end of April. Congratulations!

Wait.. .does that duty include watching the movers haul all your stuff? April is kinda warm there, no? Hmm.. hot.. .movers... that could be, uhhh.. "interesting". ;)
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Jeffrey Gomez
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01-26-2006 13:13
Thanks for responding. If you volunteered and were selected, great! I'm not trying to place a stigma on any resident that actually wanted to do it and was selected. Because hey, that was the whole idea.

From: Juro Kothari
I think you may have meant to say 'nominated' vs. volunteered? If you volunteered for it, why would you be upset over it? I think that anyone who has been nominated, should be asked to accept or decline the nomination as a first step in the selection process.

I used the phrase on purpose. Contrast "we were volunteered" versus "we volunteered." The first is suggestive of someone else doing the volunteering for us, which was the intent.

So to clarify, we were volunteered by the Community Team for the position as opposed to us volunteering ourselves.
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Enabran Templar
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01-26-2006 13:16
From: Juro Kothari

I volunteered for this - don't laugh too hard - I thought it would be fun & interesting. We'll see and I'll report back. ;)

To put my $.02 to your comments - there seem to be two main issues that, if reviewed and acted upon by LL, would address all 5 of your points.

1) Resident notification of acceptance into program prior to public announcement. Allow residents who have been accepted into the program a chance to excuse themselves from the program before LL makes any announcement. This would address #5, #2, and possibly #1 - although #1 is a bit confusing (see more below).

2) More clarification/transparency on the process of selecting those who have volunteered/been nominated for program and have passed all the 'hoops'. LL has been very transparent about the requirements and duties, but I think what you're asking is: How do they arrive at the list? Names in a fishbowl? By alpha order? Better clarification on how they sort through the larger list could address #4 and #3.

I am a little confused by your comments in #1 -

"Many of the first round mods were volunteered for the position as opposed to the other way around. A few of us, including myself and Catherine Omega, expressed our displeasure at having this happen."

I think you may have meant to say 'nominated' vs. volunteered? If you volunteered for it, why would you be upset over it? I think that anyone who has been nominated, should be asked to accept or decline the nomination as a first step in the selection process.


Anyway.. I could be off - but that's my $.02 :)


Thank you for your input, Juro.

For clarification, since the original announcement about this project - this process has been transparent. (Copied below):

Help Out!
The Community team has already nominated several possible candidates for the first round of the Resident Forum Moderators and we are also accepting volunteers. Please post to this thread if you are interested in being part of the Resident Forum Moderation Team. Volunteers will be notified shortly if they are selected. Volunteers for the first round will be accepted until Wed., January 18.

Resident Moderators Selection Criteria:
- Must be both an Second Life Resident and forum participant for at least 3 months
- Write thoughtful, constructive posts
- Have clean Linden Rapsheet (no warnings/suspensions)
- Be peacemakers and know how to use humor to diffuse not attack
- Be warm and welcoming to fellow Residents from all walks of Second Life
- Clear from past participation that they value positive discussion and will contribute to the overall tone of the Second Life Forums


In keeping with the general philosophy that Second Life is a user-created world, some degree of self-moderation in the forums seems appropriate. This program is the initial phase of a new chapter in the Second Life Forums history. It will of course be refined as we go, but I'd like to give it shot for longer than one day before we scrap it.
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Juro Kothari
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01-26-2006 13:20
From: Jeffrey Gomez

So to clarify, we were volunteered by the Community Team for the position as opposed to us volunteering ourselves.

I still think nominations (aka being volunteered) is a good option to have vs. strictly relying on people to step up and volunteer - but, those who have been nominated should be notified and allowed to accept or reject the nomination before even entering the selection process.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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01-26-2006 13:23
From: Juro Kothari
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Yep. Because the first thing that comes to my mind presently is "jury duty."

That scares me.
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Jeska Linden
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01-26-2006 13:27
As was clarified in the post made yesterday, everyone who was selected for the ResMod pool has the option to NOT participate. If you are selected and chose not to participate, you will be removed from the pool, if you do choose to partcipate, you have the option to remain and other volunteers will be added to the pool.
Reitsuki Kojima
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01-26-2006 13:27
From: Jeffrey Gomez
Yep. Because the first thing that comes to my mind presently is "jury duty."

That scares me.


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Getting out of jury duty is easy. The trick is to say you're prejudiced against all races.
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Juro Kothari
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01-26-2006 13:27
From: Jeffrey Gomez
Yep. Because the first thing that comes to my mind presently is "jury duty."

That scares me.

If only jury duty was as easy to get out of!
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Jeffrey Gomez
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01-26-2006 13:30
From: Jeska Linden
As was clarified in the post made yesterday, everyone who was selected for the ResMod pool has the option to NOT participate. If you are selected and chose not to participate, you will be removed from the pool, if you do choose to partcipate, you have the option to remain and other volunteers will be added to the pool.

I agree. But Jeska, this specific process needs to be opt-in, not opt-out. I think that's the major concern here.
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Enabran Templar
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01-26-2006 13:32
From: Jeffrey Gomez
I agree. But Jeska, this specific process needs to be opt-in, not opt-out. I think that's the major concern here.


For clarification, since the original announcement about this project - this process has been transparent. (Copied below):

Help Out!
The Community team has already nominated several possible candidates for the first round of the Resident Forum Moderators and we are also accepting volunteers. Please post to this thread if you are interested in being part of the Resident Forum Moderation Team. Volunteers will be notified shortly if they are selected. Volunteers for the first round will be accepted until Wed., January 18.

Resident Moderators Selection Criteria:
- Must be both an Second Life Resident and forum participant for at least 3 months
- Write thoughtful, constructive posts
- Have clean Linden Rapsheet (no warnings/suspensions)
- Be peacemakers and know how to use humor to diffuse not attack
- Be warm and welcoming to fellow Residents from all walks of Second Life
- Clear from past participation that they value positive discussion and will contribute to the overall tone of the Second Life Forums


In keeping with the general philosophy that Second Life is a user-created world, some degree of self-moderation in the forums seems appropriate. This program is the initial phase of a new chapter in the Second Life Forums history. It will of course be refined as we go, but I'd like to give it shot for longer than one day before we scrap it.
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Moopf Murray
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01-26-2006 13:33
From: Jeska Linden
As was clarified in the post made yesterday, everyone who was selected for the ResMod pool has the option to NOT participate. If you are selected and chose not to participate, you will be removed from the pool, if you do choose to partcipate, you have the option to remain and other volunteers will be added to the pool.


It's like hitting your head against a brick wall, isn't it. What part of the following don't you understand:

GET PEOPLE'S APPROVAL BEFORE YOU START ANNOUNCING THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO. GIVE THEM THE OPTION NOT TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT BE LINKED IN THE FIRST PLACE VIA. AN "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT (AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHICH AS AT THE TIME I'M POSTING THIS YOU HAVE NOT UPDATED TO REFLECT THOSE THAT YOU HAVE SINCE, AFTER THE FACT, REMOVED FROM RESMODS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WISH TO DO IT).

Do you not understand common courtesy? Answer that however you wish.

Also, do the words "piss-up", "couldn't" and "brewery" mean anything to you? Again, answer as you se fit. I'm sure there's some blurb you can shovel out.
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Enabran Templar
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01-26-2006 13:35
From: Moopf Murray
It's like hitting your head against a brick wall, isn't it. What part of the following don't you understand:

GET PEOPLE'S APPROVAL BEFORE YOU START ANNOUNCING THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO. GIVE THEM THE OPTION NOT TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT BE LINKED IN THE FIRST PLACE VIA. AN "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT (AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHICH AS AT THE TIME I'M POSTING THIS YOU HAVE NOT UPDATED TO REFLECT THOSE THAT YOU HAVE SINCE, AFTER THE FACT, REMOVED FROM RESMODS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WISH TO DO IT).

Do you not understand common courtesy? Answer that however you wish.

Also, do the words "piss-up", "couldn't" and "brewery" mean anything to you? Again, answer as you se fit. I'm sure there's some blurb you can shovel out.


For clarification, since the original announcement about this project - this process has been transparent. (Copied below):

Help Out!
The Community team has already nominated several possible candidates for the first round of the Resident Forum Moderators and we are also accepting volunteers. Please post to this thread if you are interested in being part of the Resident Forum Moderation Team. Volunteers will be notified shortly if they are selected. Volunteers for the first round will be accepted until Wed., January 18.

Resident Moderators Selection Criteria:
- Must be both an Second Life Resident and forum participant for at least 3 months
- Write thoughtful, constructive posts
- Have clean Linden Rapsheet (no warnings/suspensions)
- Be peacemakers and know how to use humor to diffuse not attack
- Be warm and welcoming to fellow Residents from all walks of Second Life
- Clear from past participation that they value positive discussion and will contribute to the overall tone of the Second Life Forums


In keeping with the general philosophy that Second Life is a user-created world, some degree of self-moderation in the forums seems appropriate. This program is the initial phase of a new chapter in the Second Life Forums history. It will of course be refined as we go, but I'd like to give it shot for longer than one day before we scrap it.
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Willow Zander
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01-26-2006 13:36
Well I'm waiting for Zap's hotline post to be replied to!

Its all such a big ado about nothing :(

JUST LET THE FORUMS RUN RIOT! Everyone will soon leave and peace will be restored! :D
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Eggy Lippmann
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01-26-2006 13:40
I suggest we report jeska's announcement post for naming names :D
Enabran Templar
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01-26-2006 13:41
From: Eggy Lippmann
I suggest we report jeska's announcement post for naming names :D


Eggy got reported in --- /me dodges a flying brick
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Aimee Weber
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01-26-2006 13:41
I would like to announce that Jeska Linden has been selected to make me dinner tonight though she may opt out and.....

OK OK, dead horse. :D

I really don't want to beat up Jeska, or anybody else for that matter. I DO hope somebody at LL sees that this selection process needs to be changed. A better alternative would be to hide the internal selection process from the public and consult the nominees before any announcement. A GREAT idea would be to only select people who were willing volunteer in the first place. There will likely always be claims of favoritism, but at least there wouldn't be verifiable proof of it.

Nuff said from me.
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Taco Rubio
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01-26-2006 13:41
I am going to go with the majority of views on this issue. As this is a system of critical importance that will affect each and every one of us on a continual basis for the rest of our real lives, I am extremely displeased that there isn't MORE outrage about this. THIS MATTERS, people, and is worth getting very upset about.

I plan on down-tiering, and rolling myself back to 1.2 immediately, and I strongly encourage everyone else do the the same. They can't do this to us, they're taking away our rights to something. I'd also like to see more people join the RL strike I'm planning about this terribly grave issue.


j'dorks.
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Siobhan Taylor
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01-26-2006 13:43
Heh!

I volunteered, and was more than surprised to be picked. Thing about the nominations though was that Jeska implied they had pre-nominated some themselves, so the question is... for those who volunteered, and for those who were volunteered by others ... would any of us have been picked anyway? Chances are we'll never know... although, maybe it will have baring on future re-postings... maybe not...

There'll always be some naysayers. For some it's jealousy, for others, it's just a disagreement with the principles of this kind of thing. All I'll say is, give us a chance. If we screw up, I can guarantee we won't get a chance to do it again... if we don't, then there's no problem.

Good luck to all the ResMods, present and future.

Sio
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Enabran Templar
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01-26-2006 13:43
From: Aimee Weber
I would like to announce that Jeska Linden has been selected to make me dinner tonight though shy may opt out and.....

OK OK, dead horse. :D

I really don't want to beat up Jeska, or anybody else for that matter. I DO hope somebody at LL sees that this selection process needs to be changed. A better alternative would be to hide the internal selection process from the public and consult the nominees before any announcement. A GREAT idea would be to only select people who were willing volunteer in the first place.

Nuff said from me.


Must... not... re-post... PR-speak...
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Juro Kothari
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01-26-2006 13:44
I think it is important to highlight a section of Jeska's announcement that will (hopefully) address concerns about the opt-in vs. opt-out issue:

In keeping with the general philosophy that Second Life is a user-created world, some degree of self-moderation in the forums seems appropriate. This program is the initial phase of a new chapter in the Second Life Forums history. It will of course be refined as we go, but I'd like to give it shot for longer than one day before we scrap it.

(emphasis mine)

I'm sure the method in which those who have been nominated will be refined.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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01-26-2006 13:48
From: Juro Kothari
I'm sure the method in which those who have been nominated will be refined.

Hence, feedback mechanism. ^
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