Do you want Property Lines to stay ON across sessions of SL?

I really could care less. On the other hand, I agree with Doc on camera controls, but that's a topic for another thread/poll.

I'd prefer that both "view property lines" and camera controls retain their settings across sessions.

I don't care about property lines. I want CAMERA CONTROLS to stay on!

"Having to press Ctrl-Alt-DoubleBucky-Meta-Cokebottle-P when I care to see property lines really harshes my experience", he said mildly sarcastically.

I'd like to propose something else.

Not only should it stay on, or off, the height should also be adjustable somehow.
You know when you're building something at higher altitudes, and have to do all sorts to see where the boundaries are for the parcel, since its too far down.

I've mostly resorted to rezzing prims at ground level and sending them up as reference points, but having the boundaries up there would save a lot of trouble. This also circumvents the problem of lines being occluded by prims or deep water.

An alternative would be, making the yellow prim selection highlights turn to some other colour when it steps outside of the owner or groups boundary.

I voted yes. I would also vote yes for camera controls - this is a much bigger problem for me.

Tell Philip we said 'yes'

I vote yes, I also would like view land owners and any/all settings in the debug to remain as one has them when they get booted or relogs due to bugs.

It is not only irritating to have to relog to "clear" a building bug, or get booted due to many number of things (like sim crash/grid crash/ etc...) but yet to have to reset all favored settings upon each relog.

I vote to either have this persistant, or have each setting have a spot in the config file that can be "hard set". We are not children, we can deal with our own prefferences. We shouldn't be forced to conform or go through mundane routines each time we play/logon.

why would you do this in the first place? if someone physically does something to turn on property lines and leaves them on. why on gods green earth would any one think that the next time they log on they would not want to have property lines turned on? it just does not make any sense and if suppose i did not want them on i could easily turn them off as i turned them on.

i voted yes if you had not guessed.

i use property lines allot and its very frustrating to have to turn them on each and every time i log on.

Yes please

Probably for the same reason they made the keystroke Ctrl-Alt-Shift-P instead of P, because they are doing everything they can think of to reduce load on the asset server and parcel edges are an additional continual load. This is the same reason behind the horribly borked object culling which was introduced almost a month ago but didn't receive Linden recognition until today.

On the other hand, especially given my experience in Live Help, resetting debug menu items on relog is a feature much to be desired for the general player who pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-6 and has no idea what happened or how to correct it.

Which is why I mention allowing some of the more hardcore people to be able to "hardcode" it in the config files.

People that are in the know, shouldn't suffer for those that aren't

I'd like the camera and movement control windows ON across sessions of SL.


and a sugar daddy who will put 400,000L into my account.

I would like that, and all debug modes, to be available as preference panel options, so I can leave them on. I don't need to see clouds; I tire of using debug->render->clouds every time I relog after crashing. Others probably have other options they like.

If you just hit the button, resetting it on restart as it does now would be reasonable.

I don't want *anything* in config files. I like config files just fine, but I'm a geek. Humans don't cope well with config files, they need clicky checkboxes.

Thanx everyone for the feedback thus far, voting and posting. I REALLY mean it, I learn more about how different people use SL differently. It helps give something easy to reference too.

Fascinatingly, as I continued to watch the poll and the granularity increased, there became a greater percentage of those voting "No" and "It doesn't matter to me". It felt like "Yes" had a rush but simmered down, altho I'm not certain of that. But, a good vibe on the whole.

Additional thoughtlines related to the above:

1. The for/against of persistent settings (in a general sense). Some prefer the reasoning that "If I didn't want it on, I would have left it off in the first place!" while I've also heard, as mentioned, of Resis confused by Debug menu options that lasted between sessions. ("What's this big black box doing on my screen? I must've pressed something but I can't remember what..." General focus: if you know what something does, you'll want to be in control of it. It's YOUR choice. As FSM might approve, RAMEN to that!
   

1. Noted inconsistencies in which windows will stay up after a login. I read some comments about Camera Controls, and I use those too between logins. YUGE user of that!
   

1. Better ways to see Property Lines, including how they extend into the sky, in the future, since this is a 3D world.
   

Now, the poll's still open and will be left that way, but here's how I personally approach Property Lines, just to share more of my experiences: I never found them to be the "prettiest" things, but they are functional in their red glare. I prefer them to be left on between logins. The shortcut is a twisty one, but requires no more strokes than certain camscanning maneuvers like Ctrl-Alt-Shift-arrowkey.

Thanx to each of you for voicing out! =^_^=

Oops, I voted "No" because I thought that meant that land owners could turn it on and have everyone see them. That would be ugly.

So change mine to "Yes", I guess.

Advanced users should be able to set their login settings if they do not want to pay for the Joe Schmo mentality of "how do I fix my display after mashing my keyboard and can't see anything"

Honestly, I can't see how this can't be implemented in such a way that it would leave the basic SL UI untouched. Allow the default out of box UI to act as it does now (ie. reset at each login) but allow us to set OUR choice of features to not reset via TRUE or FALSE flags in an ini file.

EQ does this with their UI and that game is ancient.....

This is really a no brainer. Those who don't want it, will be happy with their UI resetting each and every time....those that DO want it....will have to set it. Simple-end of line, one way doesn't effect the other in any way.

THANXYOU FOR ALL YOUR WORD UPS!

UPDATE: Property Lines are ON across sessions of SL again in the latest Preview 1.9... give it a spin!

Rejoice, no more jammin' the keystroke between logins!

Woo-hoo!!! <3333 Torley!!

Ty Torley

Now for the rest of them der settings to remain on if wanted (like the sun position DOH! ) hehe

What about the camera control panel? Please nudge the techs and get them to make this stay on across sessions aswell!

w00t! I'm just the communicator of good news. ^___^





Both of these would be welcome tweaks and I'm sure there are more who want 'em too. Feel free to start up dedicated threads in Feature Suggestions and get all your friends who want it to post. Having a "focused beam" will help show us interest. I've seen scattered postings about both of these before.

i voted yes. dkb ne1 else but i like to know where i can place my stuff w/o having to hit that every sec.