why are SLers such child haters?

don't have kids but i am thrusting the Linden Bros are protecting children .

Second Life is not so easy... for me, it was so difficult to enter, and now itis so difficult to come back..
i don't think many kids are abble to do it...
for so, there are no kids on mature world.

for the teen world, i suppose there are many surveyors,

do you realy think Second Life could be seriously dangerous for children ?
(except to become addict like i was the first weeks)
i am sure it could be more intersting than old games like The Sims.

(on moral point of vue, do you know the way to play "The Sims" my little cousin (boy 7 years old) ?
He choose a woman character.
He get married and choose the house with swimming pool.
He waits his husband is swiming.
He takes off the stair to get out the swimming pool.
He keeps a vas with husband's ashes in the living room (to avoid a ghost haunting the house)
He search another husband...

Do you think The Sims is moral ?
i think it is not.

but his parent where laughing at me, they are proud of their "clever" kid.

The way I see it, we don't have to worry about child molesters on the main grid as much. At least no where near as much as the risk of a child molester hoping onto the teen grid. It just works both ways like that.

Personally I feel if that kid lies about their age and the ToA and hoping on to the adult grid to whore themselves out, then that kid should be responsable for their whoring out actions. It's not like they're going to accidently falsify all the information and then accidently whore themselves out. If any kid is that stupid, then they should be sued, and probably beaten until all of the stupid comes out.

All the kids I know would just find that funny.

I'am the daughter of the king in Thentis yes I do play a young character but that does not mean I 'am yyoung in Rl. The lidens know how old I'am that all that matters besides if you can not distuguish between fiction and non fiction you should not play any video game.
This conversations is very childish.

Thats a very good question. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a definitive answer either. My space has a terms of agreement. Just like SL, all content on Myspace is created by users. Myspace has people of all ages there, you can see ages on accounts and some dont even bother to try to claim to be 18. My daughter's friend has a myspace account, she says she's 14 right on it.

And yet even with a terms of agreement and having not actually done anything to hook these two up or provide them with any means of hooking up (the girl gave the boy her cell phone #) My space still got hit with the lawsuit, legitamite or not, its still having an impact on the company.

Just due to the fact that I care about SL and would hate to see anything happen, I too would love it if someone (perhaps LL legal staff?) could explain just what exactly their liability could be and put the matter to rest.

It's a very valid question... what exactly is the letter of the law?

Beat the stupid out of em... I kinda like that.

You're right. If some dumb kid decides to play on the adult grid and pose as an adult and get into adult activities then yes they SHOULD be responsible. And if it was my kid, I would beat the stupid out of em and be done with it.

Unfortunately in our society thats not how it works. Someone will always sue somebody.

The teen grid is another story. If an adult is sneaking in there and lying about his age... then he's actually there looking for victims, It puts another spin on it.

My feelings are that the adults on the adult grid need to be protected from the legal problems kids can bring. The kids on the teen grid need to be protected from the adults period.

You slap your son's face if you find him wanking in front of a porno movie?

Loong time ago, when the humansw where not as advanced, when we where panting in caverns, i assume mom and dad wheren't so worried about knowing if little tom is watching or if he is "protected" of this mature scene.
Considering i am not a US citizen, US laws do not concern me personally, sure it concern me a bit considering SL is under US laws, but i risk little to nothing, so i will probably not do anything if i find a RL child in SL and you all should do the same, care about your childs and let the others live in peace, what isn't you and your family is none of your business.

pedophiles are just one more red herring that is shaked in front of your eyes to blind you and makes you accept any losses of liberty, in the name of protecting childs.

and it work well look at yourself how you all get completely nut about it?

Why I guess under 18 can get credit cards to. Who cares it's fiction

Not true!! I thoroughly despise children.

*starts to type a response, stops, sighs*

Eh, nevermind.

I only hate my neighbor's kid. Evil little spawn.

No, I just don't like children. PG sim or not, I don't want 'em around. SL is a nice break from them, and you're talking about wanting to let them in to SL when they already have their own grid.

if you don't like children, that's not my problem. talk to your counsellor about that. meanwhile, sl is open to teens so keep your hanky panky in the mature sims.

I'll actually answer the question in the original post. I don't hate children, but I do hate having them around in my online games. Most of them are immature and annoying. Griefing was way worse in The Sims Online than it is (or was) in Second Life, and I am convinced it is because the children are not allowed to play the same game as me.

REAL kids are like that and they either enter SL unnoticed or go to the teen grid.

The most hated and notable are those here just to make trouble.

OK So how could this solve anything as teens still could go to the Mature areas no problem. This is not a solution. Also what you said about approval of clothing, are you kidding? What would there be a check point and we all have to wait in line while the LL Gaurds approve us to go through or ban us from the area? Sorry that just is not even remotely possible. think about it.

Yep, that's why I said it probably wouldn't be implemented. I was thinking though that rather than have LL employees inspect your avatar, the server would automatically unattach any item not approved for a given zone. Unfortunatley, this would just move teh bottleneck to teh staff responsibel for approving items.

Actually I would not care if teens were allowed in SL if they were limited to PG sims and conduct was strictly enforced. I have played plenty of on line games in the past where teens had a strong presence.

I just hate talking bellys.

I think if you want to play a kid, i am ok with it, as long as there is no sex in kid avs.
I my self have a cub av( furry kid) when i have this av on , i dont have sex ,becouse it is sick and wrong . I think us as Adult should look out for sick stuff and try and keep it off the grid.

All legal liability for exposing minors to adult material rests soley on the shoulders of Linden Labs. They have provided unlimited unverified access to an online service filled with mature content to the point of XXX adult material. End users of this software aren't responsible if the providers fail to provide adequate effort to keep minors away from this content.

I have told all the escorts working for me to ask any potential client their RL age. If said client lies, then that lie is logged, and the escort made all the effort she was capable of making to avoid exposing a minor to adult content. The only persons who can reasonably verify the adulthood and/or permission of an adult to be on the adult grid are Linden Labs by requiring a credit card number be filed for each account. Therefore, any legal battles will be aimed at Linden Labs.

Frankly, I find their timing and excuse for this to be paper thin.

First of all, if this was done so that people in foriegn countries could access Second Life, then they can still reqire PayPal. I'm sorry but PayPal isn't simply a United States thing, and neither are credit cards. I've met people from all over earth prior to this who were able to somehow verify an account.

Secondly, this change happened at the exact same time that children got their summer break from school. NATURALLY children are going to be online more. And this allows them to spend their days while their parents are at work potentially viewing extremely adult material. I mean.. between the Gorean sims, the night clubs with strippers and escorts, and the shops with nude art in them, not to mention the classified ads, there is no way to avoid people reaching adult material on the adult grid, even if these new accounts are blocked from all mature sims.

However.. I plan to ban all unverified accounts from all land I own or manage, and I'm pretty sure my co-workers will agree. That not only avoids underage boys looking for cheap thrills, it prevents people I've banned from sneaking back in 5 minutes later with yet another free account.

I assure you, this situation will end badly for Linden Labs if they don't go back to the old system. This new ability to restrict access is only a band-aid on a gunshot wound. And not even a brand name band-aid, one of those cheap knockoffs from the .99 Cents Shop.

I am not a child hater. It is not about that at all. I do not like the idea of having teens here because they can be influenced certain ways. BUT since this one change...that adults can go to the teen grid...I am appalled! There is good reason to not ahve teens and adults mix. There is a different intelligence level with MOST teens and adults. Adults (most of them) are more mature. If the teen is mature, I can talk to them well...if not...I can't. That is just the way I am. My husband and I have enough problems with our land as it is! Just think what it would be like with teens, too....more so.