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Warda Kawabata
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06-23-2006 21:47
Even if we ignore the possibility of underage sex issues in SL, has it occurred to anyone that some adults would prefer to know that everyone they are interacting with in a given environment is also an adult?
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Star Sleestak
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06-23-2006 22:03
that's some crazy urban legends. in some states the age of consent is 14. and i have yet to hear a prosecution over adults cybering underagers misrepresenting their age. also, there is a lot worse stuff on the WWW. why are people so intent on protecting kids from SL and not the WWW? why can't the solution simply be that parents who allow their kids on SL can just block them from accessing mature content? why can't prim dongers just keep their dicks in their inventory while they are in pg areas? um if you are afraid to avsex someone underage, maybe stop being so promiscuous. Could you name those states? In the past, 13 or 14 was acceptable but even Louisiana brought it up to 16. Who cares about those worse sites? We're talking about SL. What happens on other sites is their problem. And I'm not protecting them, I'm protecting me. How do you keep avies from teleporting from pg to mature and back again? And prim dongs do belong in inventories in PG sims; leaving them out in a PG sim is griefing and should be ARed. Lastly, who are you to tell anyone how to conduct their SL sex lives? |
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Star Sleestak
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06-23-2006 22:04
Even if we ignore the possibility of underage sex issues in SL, has it occurred to anyone that some adults would prefer to know that everyone they are interacting with in a given environment is also an adult? Yes! |
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Luciftias Neurocam
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06-23-2006 22:29
This wasn't a joke post. So your comment makes no sense in this context. Do you know what you're talking about? This is a post by J-Wu for God's sake. |
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Tren Neva
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06-23-2006 22:34
Even if we ignore the possibility of underage sex issues in SL, has it occurred to anyone that some adults would prefer to know that everyone they are interacting with in a given environment is also an adult? Would it matter if that person couldn't tell if the other person wasn't an adult? |
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Star Sleestak
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06-23-2006 22:42
Would it matter if that person couldn't tell if the other person wasn't an adult? Yes. |
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Jack Harker
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06-23-2006 22:45
that's some crazy urban legends. in some states the age of consent is 14. and i have yet to hear a prosecution over adults cybering underagers misrepresenting their age. also, there is a lot worse stuff on the WWW. why are people so intent on protecting kids from SL and not the WWW? why can't the solution simply be that parents who allow their kids on SL can just block them from accessing mature content? why can't prim dongers just keep their dicks in their inventory while they are in pg areas? um if you are afraid to avsex someone underage, maybe stop being so promiscuous. Or why don't *you* wake up and realize that not *everthing* in the whole wide world has to be for children. If you want to be around kids, why don't *you* shut off the computer and go spend some time with them in real life. Why *can't* there be places in the world that are *not* for kids? I like SL just fine without children, and I'm not changing the way that I do things. If you don't like it, that's your problem. |
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Warda Kawabata
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06-23-2006 22:49
Would it matter if that person couldn't tell if the other person wasn't an adult? Yes. Let's suppose I want to moan about the troubles I've been having at work, and I want a symnpathetic ear. That's not something that I could ever get from a teenager, because they have no real understanding of rl work issues. (No, part time jobs for pocket money is not on the same level as full time jobs for a roof over your head.) |
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:00
You don't watch MSNBC Dateline?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/ (one of my fav shows now, they set up a sting with an undercover agent pretending to be a teen, a pedo gets hooked, then comes over for sex... bang, the reporter confronts him on national tv and later he's arrested. So many sicko's you can't believe it). I think it's totally wrong for teens to be in SecondLife. They do have a walled segment of the game just for teens, but in adult SecondLife, I do not want teens around. Why even advocate this? I think even Candian laws are very clear with child/adult sex now. um dude: "They all had one thing in common—each carried on a sexually explicit chat online with someone who claimed to be a young teen. And, each would be caught by Dateline." that is very different from having explicit chats with an older teen or someone claiming to be an older teen or adult! parents should keep their eyes on their kids. and people who knowingly mess with kids should go to jail. we all agree on those points. my question is what good reason is there to keep kids out of SL. particularly if we don't keep them out of the WWW, mtv or RL! there area teachers that have sex with students but noone is thinking of banning kids from schools. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:04
Who cares about those worse sites? We're talking about SL. What happens on other sites is their problem. And I'm not protecting them, I'm protecting me. How do you keep avies from teleporting from pg to mature and back again? And prim dongs do belong in inventories in PG sims; leaving them out in a PG sim is griefing and should be ARed. Lastly, who are you to tell anyone how to conduct their SL sex lives? best way to protect yourself is to get to know your partner before you drop your drawers or exchange fluids. it's very easy to keep avies from tp'ing from one zone to another. if that was LL's goal, i bet they could fix it up in around a day. lastly, i'm jauani wu. my name is conveniently located in the cell to the left for future reference ![]() _____________________
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read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate |
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:06
Yes. Let's suppose I want to moan about the troubles I've been having at work, and I want a symnpathetic ear. That's not something that I could ever get from a teenager, because they have no real understanding of rl work issues. how does this concern relate to this topic? do you habitually talk to random people about your problems? ![]() _____________________
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read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate |
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Allana Dion
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06-23-2006 23:06
The fact that the Teen Grid is now wide open to adults is far more troubling to me than anything else in this whole controversy. For no other reason than their own protection, this is a really stupid move by LL, ethics aside. I mean, if a pedo were trolling for victims, where is he going to go first? The "Teen Grid". Shouldn't there be a lock on that door?? Exactly. One of the first things an internet pedophile does when going into an online chat to search for teens that he's never been to before, is state his birthday to be the approximate age of those teens he's seeking. This is to ensure that he can connect with them easier. With the new registration set up as it is, that will mean he will be given instant access to the teen grid. Thats all it will take. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:08
Or why don't *you* wake up and realize that not *everthing* in the whole wide world has to be for children. If you want to be around kids, why don't *you* shut off the computer and go spend some time with them in real life. Why *can't* there be places in the world that are *not* for kids? I like SL just fine without children, and I'm not changing the way that I do things. If you don't like it, that's your problem. kids or no kids, you shouldn't be dropping your drawers in PG sims. if you make it my problem, i will make it your problem. _____________________
http://wu-had.blogspot.com/
read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate |
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Tren Neva
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06-23-2006 23:08
Yes. Let's suppose I want to moan about the troubles I've been having at work, and I want a symnpathetic ear. That's not something that I could ever get from a teenager, because they have no real understanding of rl work issues. (No, part time jobs for pocket money is not on the same level as full time jobs for a roof over your head.) What I meant was what if that kid COULD relate or have a discussion that you yourself would expect from an adult. But really, thats all hypothetical, and kinda goes into my personal opinion that as long as your mature, you should be welcomed into the mature world, despite age. But of course there is no way to do that without giving most if not all the responsibility to the adult and/or child, which we found out from this whole issue is that it's not going to happen. |
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Six Kennedy
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Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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06-23-2006 23:10
I just think people are putting too much emphasis on not wanting teens in because of what it will EXPOSE them too.. I think we can all agree that they are exposed to far worse on Jerry Springer or even at their own school. I know when I was a teenager theres nothing anyone could do on SL that would have shocked me.
To me its more about not wanting even more stupid IM's and griefing dorks in storm trooper outfits.. we get enough of those from the adults as it is. . _____________________
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Allana Dion
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06-23-2006 23:19
It is against the law in most parts of the US, including california to even show pornographic images to a minor. LL is located in california and is required to follow california law. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what the laws are anywhere else. No matter where the players are LL is required to follow the laws where LL offices and servers are located.
Meaning, if an underage player even browses through vendors displaying naked skins for sale, someone can be held liable. Thats why the official rule in the teen grid is that skins have to be displayed and sold with underwear covering them. But IMO the most relevent issue is still that the teen grid is open to anyone who can do a little math and lie about a birthdate. Teens who enter the main grid and stay are a problem, but they are here for all the same reasons we are. Adults who enter the teen grid and stay are a BIGGER problem. With the exception of the occasional parent wanting to see what their child is doing... any other adults are there for one reason only. _____________________
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Tren Neva
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06-23-2006 23:22
It is against the law in most parts of the US, including california to even show pornographic images to a minor. LL is located in california and is required to follow california law. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what the laws are anywhere else. No matter where the players are LL is required to follow the laws where LL offices and servers are located. Meaning, if an underage player even browses through vendors displaying naked skins for sale, someone can be held liable. Thats why the official rule in the teen grid is that skins have to be displayed and sold with underwear covering them. But IMO the most relevent issue is still that the teen grid is open to anyone who can do a little math and lie about a birthdate. Teens who enter the main grid and stay are a problem, but they are here for all the same reasons we are. Adults who enter the teen grid and stay are a BIGGER problem. With the exception of the occasional parent wanting to see what their child is doing... any other adults are there for one reason only. Doesn't the terms of agreement protect them from this? I always thought it did, but from most responses, it seems I'm mistaken. Anyone have a definite answer? |
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:23
But IMO the most relevent issue is still that the teen grid is open to anyone who can do a little math and lie about a birthdate. ... Adults who enter the teen grid and stay are a BIGGER problem. With the exception of the occasional parent wanting to see what their child is doing... any other adults are there for one reason only. i agree with these points. the purpose of the teen grid is to provide an adult free sl experience to teens for parents who might worry about teens interacting with adults. LL should do diligence to keep adults out of the kid zone. _____________________
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Io Zeno
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06-23-2006 23:24
I just think people are putting too much emphasis on not wanting teens in because of what it will EXPOSE them too.. I think we can all agree that they are exposed to far worse on Jerry Springer or even at their own school. I know when I was a teenager theres nothing anyone could do on SL that would have shocked me. To me its more about not wanting even more stupid IM's and griefing dorks in storm trooper outfits.. we get enough of those from the adults as it is. . Many of us aren't worried about corrupting the innocence of teens by "exposing" them to something they probably have seen before, we are worried about finding ourselves in court or named in a lawsuit against SL, by their parents. This only sounds extreme until you think about the MySpace case. That's all it takes. Even if you "win" do you want the whole world to know you as the person whohad cybersex with a precocious 15-year old or had them stripping in your club or sold them "adult" materials? Who needs that shit. Edit to add: I love your hair, dahling. ![]() _____________________
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Jack Harker
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06-23-2006 23:28
kids or no kids, you shouldn't be dropping your drawers in PG sims. if you make it my problem, i will make it your problem. Re-read *carefully*. Where did I say that I was dropping my drawers in PG sims? Oh wait, that's right I didn't. So, your point again? |
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Tren Neva
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06-23-2006 23:29
Many of us aren't worried about corrupting the innocence of teens by "exposing" them to something they probably have seen before, we are worried about finding ourselves in court or named in a lawsuit against SL, by their parents. This only sounds extreme until you think about the MySpace case. That's all it takes. Even if you "win" do you want the whole world to know you as the person whohad cybersex with a precocious 15-year old or had them stripping in your club or sold them "adult" materials? Who needs that shit. Edit to add: I love your hair, dahling. ![]() We really need to change our justice system to "If a 15 year old starts virtual stripping in a video game on their own occord, then they are responsible for virtual stripping on their own occrod." |
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Jauani Wu
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06-23-2006 23:30
Re-read *carefully*. Where did I say that I was dropping my drawers in PG sims? Oh wait, that's right I didn't. So, your point again? if you aren't dropping your drawers in pg sims then you have no reason to disagree with me. so, *your* point again? (personally i think you are dropping your drawers or you wouldn't get so worked up) _____________________
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read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate |
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Io Zeno
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06-23-2006 23:32
We really need to change our justice system to "If a 15 year old starts virtual stripping in a video game on their own occord, then they are responsible for virtual stripping on their own occrod." Like the kid who was testifying before congress about his online virtual whoring? No one asked, "what the fuck were you thinking and where were your parents?" In fact, it seems his father knew what he was doing, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is that the web is crawling with child molesters. ![]() _____________________
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Six Kennedy
I make boxes - Lots of em
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06-23-2006 23:32
@ Io :Aww ty !! LOL..
Yes I get that part totally but I'm just sayin.... all this talk about protecting the kids.. what about protecting MEEEEE for storm troooper dorks !!!! Rofls. ( No offense to the non-griefing storm trooper dorks )_____________________
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Nebulosus Severine
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06-24-2006 01:30
so why is everyone in sl so against kids?? I hate kids. Well, 99.999999999999% of them, anyway. |