"emergency break" for new accounts, a new tool.

If its a newbie just wanting to get back at someone who hit him with the power it can wait, hours even... I think the power would require being in the same sim at the very least so it wouldn't even effect him that long, he could move away and no longer have to deal with the same punk.

A grey goo attack that shuts down the grid? DAMN RIGHT that can not wait.

Yes, I'd even be supportive of it only being avaible to veteran users... my hope is that there would be one around in every gathering to stop this sort of crap.

My general point of this system is because of a problem,

There are not enough lindens around to deal with all the griefing...

You guys come up with some better method of resident modding that isn't a popularity contest or something similar and I'd support it... so how about some brain storming or suggestions to the system rather than pure negativity?

If it's someone rezzing a grey goo attack, then having the attacker be able to move away kind of negates the usefulness.

This'd also be a GREAT tool with which to harrass furries.

Veterans including January 2006 residents, I'm sure.

This is just a thinly-veiled way of asserting yourself over these icky new unverified sub-humans, isn't it?

hey don't give me ideas

Point one; The chances of a person being in the vicinity of a hacker (not a griefer) that is attempting to bring down the grid is small. Usually by the time grid attacks are recognised (by anyone, not jsut LL) it is too late to do much but lock the grid and sweep it clean.

Point two; For any other type of griefing (push, harrasment, plain stupidity) the current AR/LiveHelp works as well. They mess up, they get reported, they get punished.

Point three; Your idea, while having merit in theory, has too large a potential to be used by griefers agaisnt valid residents. Thereby making it unacceptable.

Kudos for trying, but the long-term problems on this is worse than the gains.

I hope that explains it better than just saying "dumb post".

~Jessy

Right click on the troublemaker and select "eject and ban." Repeat as needed.

Newbie:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/behind/mask.jpg

Oh I see what this is about, I've made a few enemies on the forums...

*grins a bit* You're feeding my ego, all this over some silly gorean thread

Phedre, Thats true enough... Maybe the power could include a script check for objects, emergancy break showing up under the pie menu... if clicked, it'll scan the scripts for self rep keys and if found, it will return all objects and apply the hour long build ban.

There, work around found, functionality preserved right?

Sorry for the stealth edit by the way, I just had more to say above because the utter lack of OTHER ideas is pretty funny to me.

Miles.

I have been in the game about sixth months now, I'd support three months, a year or two years... I don't care as long as there is a good ratio of original members around to save the rest of us from these damn attacks.

During slingo last night we got griefed eight times... it locked up the board every damn time and obviously ARs weren't covering it, it seemed like it was a planned thing because it was several AV's at once.


Jessica, thank you that was a great post and I appricate it.

to point one.

On the mainland thats pretty true I'll tip my hat to you on that. Some island sims on the other hand (Ice dragons playpen, furnation, the sables areas) have residents crawling over the place and could intercept the place being brought down as soon as a single red spiral shows its ugly head.

With the new above ammendment for returning possibly grid-dangerous items it wouldnt matter if they dropped the load and ran.

to point two.

ARing is fine, but the fact is some of these guns you can get for free like the R2 firebomb cannon can kill games where real money is being used, or crash events that lots of planning and effort went into... These such things are not personal assult but assult on a massive scale... the lindens never get there fast enough, the griefer intended to get banned anyway... they got their fun and because they really dont want to play anyway, what punishment do they get?

I'd rather stop them mid-ego mastabatory stroke.

To the final point... you could be right, but I would insist on no scripts being able to do this, it has to be fired off by a human... for someone to grief they'd have to hunt down newbies and I honestly dont think anyone would take the effort to check profile after profile... the only place they could hit people for sure would be the newbie island, and I'm sure they could bar the power from being used in such places.

Anyway, are there any remaining issues with the system as far as it being abused to cause grief? lord knows I do NOT want more grief, but something needs to be put in place for when/where we can't wait a week for a blip on the AR blotter.

(Edit, naming those place names is okay because it is not a personal attack or deferment of character/slander of them... so stop the pouty foot tapping and clock watching )

Second edit, another limitation? you get a maximum of three emergancy stops a week to use... that makes it a lot harder for some determined griefer to massively harm the new user base.

Huh?



Suggestions:
*Try not to piss people off and thereby avoid the likelyhood of personal attacks.
*If you are attacked despite your efforts to be a nice person, AR if you're not on your own land and notify the land owner/manager so they can deal with it as it's their responsibility not yours. If you are on your own land, I find a certain recipe works very well... freeze + mock + freeze again + mock some more + boot + ban. Bonus if you can get a Linden to come over during the freezing and mocking process.

I see you trying very hard to make your point here. But I find it questionable that you claim to not be able to see just how ugly an idea like yours can turn out. I think you do see the inevitable problems, you just want this power too much to be bothered by it.

Well actually each time a problem comes up I sit down and think about how best to make it a non-issue... you see thats part of the brainstorm problem...

Like going down hill too fast... then they made breaks... then ice became a problem, so they made anti lock breaks...

Things get reinvented all the time, so help me reinvent this.

Cilis, I read your original post a couple of times and I still don't understand whether you're proposing something to be added into Second Life or whether you've designed some kind of tool that does this?

Also, and I'm not being a smart-ass here, I honestly have no idea what the question you're asking in your poll means: "Should users of this mild power as self protection?"

Please explain?

Basically I'm asking for the following.

Some residents of a "safe" age get the ability to act as a police force among new avatars (Avatars younger than a month)

Their "batton" of sorts, how they deal with the grief, would be that three times a week they may use a power upon these new avatars, when used the power would return all objects the new user ressed in the last hour (not delete them)

The second thing it would do is remove their ability to start scripts, interact with scripts or use scripts, any scripts in their objects would also be set to "stop running" as you can do with the tool menu for a set period of time (One hour)

Basically, it would make it so their world behaves as if they were in a no outside script, no res sim, as well as effecting all their objects... this would stop grey goo and push griefing in its tracks, the only thing it would have trouble with is "blockers" but the blockers have to be there to do it anyhow, so there is ample time to catch them in the act and use the command, in turn returning their prim blocks... as its not a pressing form of grief, this can wait for an AR anyhow.

You may use this on an avatar only if the avatar is within sight range, you may use it on the avatars object (and still effect them) via pie menu if their scripted object contains any push effects or self replication effects.

My feeling is that with these tools, elder residents could freeze a person's malicious attack and then file an AR, the hour ban on trouble making gives the lindens time to come help and it stops events/ games from screeching to a hault while everyone waits for help.

The main issue is how do you prevent users from using this to pick on newbies and secondly, who is old enough to have such power?

I'd say if you can make it a year without being banned I think you're worthy of using this power, others might wish for more or less...

Secondly, misusing the power should carry a penalty for the resident who was using it as a grief tool, maybe a three day suspension?

Finally, it shouldnt work in newbie areas... some day some old fart might go insain and cause hell before leaving the game

I also think that limiting it to three 'charges' of this power a week keeps down any type of mass abuse.

My end goal here is to hopefully have someone around that can see some twit firing off particle/sound bombs and just flick them upside the head for us, then we all AR and ban them... because honestly griefers KNOW they will be banned and usually log off and make a new toon even without waiting for an angry linden. They get their fun and none of the punishment because they have nothing to loose.


The pole was suppost to be "Should some users have this mild power as a form of self protection" but it either got garbled or I typed too damn fast

No people aren't shooting this idea down because you have made ennemies on the forum but because it is a huge open doorway to abuse.

There is NO repeat NO age after which SL residents automagically become saints who work only for the greater good of the community.

You do not give powers that should be reserved to CSR's who are accountable with their job on how they use them to residents with no accountability.

Drop your idea. It's just utterly bad, m'kay?

Wendel

I still disagree...

People abusing the powers do have something to loose, over a years worth of friends, tiem and money put into the game... thats why I think they are safe bets, they've got an attachment to the game.

The fact is, you're only a newbie for 29 days as far as this tool/plan is concerned... you grow out of it regardless, it can't effect anyone but griefers too terribly, given that the build/script ban is ONLY an hour and the person doing it IS accountable for misuse.

If someone looses an hour of time wrongly, and the rest of us don't have to see "Grid down for repairs" for all of the weekend (when most of us get time off to play) I honestly think its worth it.

I just don't see how it is an "open doorway"

Those year+ accounts are istablished, those people have friends... they have things to loose... and even if they did grief, they'd be punished for it.

Anyone creating an account just to abuse the power would have to wait a whole year to get away with it...

I just don't think its likely or possible.

You're assuming something will be done to them if they abuse it. They could always just say 'He pulled a gun out!' Who's gonna know?

According to the lindens, they have complete logs of who attaches what.

They damn well better know

Sure. you are really helping the Lindens who are going to be flooded with claims and counterclaims when the powers are used. Just what we need to make the community a better place, avoid resentment between citizens and help the overworked Lindens cope with the volume of ARs... or not.

But if your goal is total war between the newbies and older residents who decide to abuse the power (read the part about creating power abuse accounts and letting them mature?) as well as making sure that most real joiners get abused one way or another (either by newbies or older residents) and leave SL forever, then you are onto something.

Seriously. Engage your brain.

Wendel

I think you're seeing demons that arn't there.

The fact is there are griefers here now in waves, what are we gonna do about it?

Not become vigilantes. That's for sure.

Use the tools that have been promised instead. Between the machine based banning (whatever your misgivings, it is infinitely better than the current situation if the Lindens at least try to keep up with the ARs and it does have some bite) and the new scripting and land owner tools to come, you have grief free solutions to protect yourself.

For the rest, let the Lindens deal with abuse.

Wendel

I'm sorry, who are you?

This isn't personal. This is a response to A Very Bad Idea.

Grief them right back?

I'll restate what I said earlier. You see the potential for real problems with this system. Anyone with half a brain would. This is a power you are dreaming of for yourself and therefore no arguement against it is going to get through your head.

It's not going to happen, it's an absolutely ridiculous idea.

Power I'm dreaming of?

I joined six months ago... if we went with a year requirement I wouldn't have the power now would I?

I'm sorry but you're reading me all wrong.

Ok. Then I take it back. My apologies.

Of course, with 23 votes in your poll and the only yes vote being your own, maybe it's time to take another look at people's arguements against your plan?

"this what happened in the last game i played hackers ruined it for everyone dupin rares and gold and just anything to cheat there no extened maintenance there trying to catch the hacker and we pay for it so unless people don't let GM'S know of wrong doing's in the game it we ruin it and there we not be a SL IT WELL BE GONE TO THE AMERICANS!!!!!!! "

This would create more work for the Lindens. It would give the SL populace a powerful griefing tool. It won't happen.

Also, telling people not to comment negatively on your idea if they don't have a better one is Kindergarten logic. I don't have to have a 'better' solution in order to see that the one you propose is tragically flawed.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have gold and rares to dupe.

No.

Major griefing tool.