"emergency break" for new accounts, a new tool.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:00
Simply put, any user older that 3 months may target a account younger than a month and type a command that disables their ability to use, control or direct scripts. Not only this but the command automatically returns all their objects ressed in the last hour. Their "No outside scripts, no scripts no objects" flag lasts for an hour or sooner if the person who typed the command repeals the punishment.
Yes, it could be a pain if some newb somehow figured out how to rent and buy furniture had it all returned to him.... but otherwise lets be honest, you see 5tr0k3d xai the pain in the butt alt pulling out C4 and sneaking up behind another avatar *bam* his fun is ruined.
This tool allows older, wiser resident a better defense against grief... oh yes this hash number stuff is full proof!
Wrong...
One only needs to put in an old soundcard or enable their onboard lan to change their number. Yes... you only have so many spare computer parts around... but even then you can spoof hash's with the right dongle kit... as simple as an open USB and a laptop or spoofing a virtual drive.
(people just found abusing newbies will have the power removed from them)
(Edit, poll is meant to say "Should some users have this power as a form of self protection" but I messed that up, a better more refined explaination is on page three, please read that.)
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Magnum Serpentine
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06-30-2006 14:04
From: Cilis Nephilim Simply put, any user older that 3 months may target a account younger than a month and type a command that disables their ability to use, control or direct scripts. Not only this but the ocmmand automatically returns all their objects ressed in the last hour. Their "No outside scripts, no scripts no objects" flag lasts for an hour or if the person who typed the command repeals the punishment.
Yes, it could be a pain if some newb somehow figured out how to rent and buy furniture had it all returned to him.... but otherwise lets be honest, you see 5tr0k3d xai the pain in the butt alt pulling out C4 and sneaking up behind another avatar *bam* his fun is ruined.
This tool allows older, wiser resident a better defense against grief... oh yes this hash number stuff is full proof!
Wrong...
One only needs to put in an old soundcard or enable their onboard lan to change their number. Yes... you only have so many spare computer parts around... but even then you can spoof hash's with the right dongle kit... as simple as an open USB and a laptop or spoofing a virtual drive. Watches the clock... Wonder when the Lindens will lock this post. What about the new people who are here because they love this place and will not grief it but become good citizens. YOur draconian and stupid method penalizes everyone. Watches the clock.
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Wendel Gascoigne
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06-30-2006 14:05
Stupid idea. 'Nuf said. And they complain that other people are anti newbie?
Wendel
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:06
The name is fake.
You're obviously not reading it all...
The status is not perminent, and they grow past being able to be flagged. It is an emergancy tool that can be taken away from people abusing it...
its not draconian and not applied to newbies by default.... but basically, do you expect the older members of SL would just use this on someone randomly to be mean? Honestly is the game that cold?
I mean hell, it only lasts for a single hour.
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Vares Solvang
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06-30-2006 14:08
Stupidest. Post. Ever.
(and that is saying something considering some of the posts I have seen here)
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Magnum Serpentine
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06-30-2006 14:09
From: Cilis Nephilim The name is fake.
You're obviously not reading it all...
The status is not perminent, and they grow past being able to be flagged. It is an emergancy tool that can be taken away from people abusing it...
its not draconian and not applied to newbies by default.... but basically, do you expect the older members of SL would just use this on someone randomly to be mean? Honestly is the game that cold?
I mean hell, it only lasts for a single hour. Watches clock Come on Lindens, lock this post down Watches clock
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:09
Okay you three instead of just shooting down ideas,
Where is the downside?
(magnum act right and play fair, no one is going to lock a thread just because YOU dislike it.)
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 14:10
From: Cilis Nephilim Okay you three instead of just shooting down ideas,
Where is the downside? The potential for stupid, linden-approved bullying is through the roof.
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Wendel Gascoigne
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06-30-2006 14:10
From: Vares Solvang Stupidest. Post. Ever.
(and that is saying something considering some of the posts I have seen here) I so wholeheartedly agree. And Cilis doesn't seem to see what's wrong with the idea. Scary. Use ARs like everybody else Cilis and avoid power trips. Wendel
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Magnum Serpentine
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06-30-2006 14:10
From: Wendel Gascoigne Stupid idea. 'Nuf said. And they complain that other people are anti newbie?
Wendel Amen. Watches clock
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Belaya Statosky
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06-30-2006 14:11
I can't tell if this thread is about bunnies or otters. I think this is an otter thread. 
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Wendel Gascoigne
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06-30-2006 14:12
From: Belaya Statosky I can't tell if this thread is about bunnies or otters. I think this is an otter thread.  Such a cute little face that says it all. I agree with your assessment.  Wendel
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:13
Let me get this straight.
If I see someone using a gun, a bomb, or setting off a box that spawns two boxes, and then eight, and then so on (grid crashing stuff here)
I'm suppost to call a linden? We've already SEEN that they can not react fast enough...
The only way this could be abused is if it was used on someone who wasn't griefing or about to, in such cases the user would loose the power to use the emergancy break.
So basically, who is getting the "bullying" here?
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Karsten Rutledge
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06-30-2006 14:13
From: Cilis Nephilim Okay you three instead of just shooting down ideas,
Where is the downside?
(magnum act right and play fair, no one is going to lock a thread just because YOU dislike it.) The downside is all the jackasses in SecondLife are going to fly around suckerpunching newbies just for jollies. Your suggestion is poorly thought out, at best.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 14:14
From: Cilis Nephilim Let me get this straight.
If I see someone using a gun, a bomb, or setting off a box that spawns two boxes, and then eight, and then so on (grid crashing stuff here)
I'm suppost to call a linden? We've already SEEN that they can not react fast enough...
The only way this could be abused is if it was used on someone who wasn't griefing or about to, in such cases the user would loose the power to use the emergancy break.
So basically, who is getting the "bullying" here? Karsten's post says it all. Maybe you should read it.
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Vares Solvang
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06-30-2006 14:16
From: Cilis Nephilim Okay you three instead of just shooting down ideas,
Where is the downside?
(magnum act right and play fair, no one is going to lock a thread just because YOU dislike it.) Where is the downside? You're kidding, right? Let me spell it out for you. Griefer wants to cause lots of problems. Every day for the next 3 months he makes 10 new alts. Three months from now he starts to use these alts not only to grief the old accounts with immunity, but now he has a really cool, built in way to grief all the newbies! And all he has to do is keep making 10 new alts a day to replace the ones he loses each day and he has an endless supply of grief bots. You really should think about these things at least a little bit before you post them.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:17
Kinda hard to when I'm posting  I'm all for well, thought out posts though... I know its a little too much to ask around these parts. Those suckerpunching jerks are easily delt with, lets up the requirements for us and the results of misuse. Barring a newbie from scripts/ressing for an hour that isn't doing anything wrong results in a three day suspension... this means the power will not be used lightly. Using it requires you see the newbie, or the newbies objects doing the following. 1.) unwelcomed (ToS breaking) assult. 2.) orbitting mass numbers 3.) grid attacks (grey goo) any use outside of these above offenses results in that three day suspention and lost of the power.
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Miles Edgeworth
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06-30-2006 14:18
This is a very good suggestion for Second Life, because obviously everyone over 3 months old is a benevolent saint, while everyone under 3 months old is a terrible child begging for punishment.
(Hint: your age in SL doesn't mean a thing, sweetcheeks.)
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 14:20
Newbie rezzes a scripted shield.
Person older than three months returns shield and strips hir of protection.
Older res then repeatedly harrasses and shoots newbie.
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:20
From: Vares Solvang Where is the downside? You're kidding, right?
Let me spell it out for you.
Griefer wants to cause lots of problems. Every day for the next 3 months he makes 10 new alts. Three months from now he starts to use these alts not only to grief the old accounts with immunity, but now he has a really cool, built in way to grief all the newbies!
And all he has to do is keep making 10 new alts a day to replace the ones he loses each day and he has an endless supply of grief bots.
You really should think about these things at least a little bit before you post them. Easily delt with, if we're banning by hardware hashes all of those accounts using the same hash will become locked out. Even if he does all the spoofing I spoke of it'd take out many of his alternate accounts and he would have to waste time and money buying and switching out computer parts. Alternatively, I guess I can see a griefer waiting three months just to be a pain (you know, despite the fact that most of them want instant gratification unless they got banned and have a long standing grudge  ) so lets up it to six months. Is six months a fair buffer, given the new banning methods?
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Cilis Nephilim
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06-30-2006 14:21
From: Phedre Aquitaine Newbie rezzes a scripted shield.
Person older than three months returns shield and strips hir of protection.
Older res then repeatedly harrasses and shoots newbie. Newbie ARs them. Older res gets banned.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 14:22
From: Cilis Nephilim Newbie ARs them.
Older res gets banned. So ARs /do/ work? *amused*
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 14:22
From: Cilis Nephilim Is six months a fair buffer, given the new banning methods?
How about a couple years old. And Lindens. Yeah, I think that works. Lindens can use this p-- Oh, wait.
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Cindy Claveau
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06-30-2006 14:23
From: Cilis Nephilim Okay you three instead of just shooting down ideas, Where is the downside? (magnum act right and play fair, no one is going to lock a thread just because YOU dislike it.) 1. You're assuming that length of time in SL equals "wiser". That's not necessarily true. 2. Like the other "dumb post of the day" it puts power into the hands of users which could easily be abused. Rather than go to the trouble of actually giving users another tool to grief with, why not just give us the ability to be immune to push scripts from other players? That's what Robin mentioned in her blog, and if we actually get it, it will be a very effective defense against these morons.
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Miles Edgeworth
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06-30-2006 14:24
From: Cilis Nephilim Newbie ARs them.
Older res gets banned. Why not just let the newbie defend themselves to begin with instead of having to go through this Rube Goldberg machine of idiocy?
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