Make a positive contribution and change to these forums

Cindy,
Welcome to Secondlife and the forums. Some to most of what you missed was not in the best light of what SL is so don't feel misled. You will still find plenty of help and advice in all of the forums just be careful of what you listen to and have no fear of questioning something that sounds 'fishy' I extend to you the opportunity to contact me in game whenever you have a question or need help. Again, Welcome

I'm with you in spirit Cris We'd all be better served if people simply refuted things with calm rational logic and trusted readers to sift the truth for themselves. Those of us who want a healthier forum and for certain people's agendas to not find a toehold need to realize we shoot ourselves in the foot when we react with spite or malice. We need people to wade into the muck and insert some common sense. It's just tiring as hell.

I never really beleived in the FIC. But some things DO make you rethink. Pathfinder has apologized so I do not brig this up to address his conduct, but it did make me go hmmmm:

http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic5145-18-1.aspx

The uproar/war over Club Elite was the worst forum incident I have seen. The insults tossed then were, as now, ugly.

Seems that every now and then a feud overheats, an antagonist rises up, the natives grow restless. It always passes, as long as we allow let it go.

I beta-tested another game where I was a very talked about/insulted person. Alot of times I could not speak on things as GMs told me not to but others could about it. Through all this I found that what you do Aimee is best if just ignoring it completly. People that believe lies find out sooner or later that it is false.

I'm not trying to be negative Cristiano and I do thank you for the compliment. A lot of the mud slinging came from your side of the pond this week. We cannot run away from the problems in the fourms.

I for one would rather stick it out and discuss things in an adult way.

There is only one real gov't in sl it's LL There is realy only one set of ppl who will always have the last word, the Lindens. All this hate cannot be sugar coated; it remains.

The only way SL will move forward in what ever direction that the ppl of sl decide. Is if we all agree reguardless of the side we are on we will treat each other with dignity.

As for grace I hope you know me, or get to know me. As for talent my alts work speaks for its self, I'm content.

Cat

Chip you know that I am not one to roll over and play dead by any stretch of the imagination - I guess I just need some balance,and honestly a break from it all.

There are a couple posters that are pushing your buttons - sitting back, and taking pleasure in watching the fireworks.

If you're waiting for the TOS to catch up with them, keep waiting. Even if they slip up, they'll be back. Again, and again. New names, new faces, same old soap opera.

The BEST thing y'all did was the 'shunning' a while back. It may have little effect on the #1 troll, but it ciphons quite a bit of pleasure from #2. A #3 is gradually gaining momentum. And there will be more where that came from.

Instead of retaliating, or defending your points - IGNORE these individuals. I don't mean place them on ignore - I mean - get together, and stop responding to their posts.

Stop engaging them, pretend they dont exist!

Your anger and strife is their fuel. I know you all realize that - but why must some of us continue to feed them?

Think about it. When you respond with a rebuttal, how often do trolls respond with a "Y'know, you're right.....". Didn't think so. Your rebuttals are preaching to the choir, and meanwhile, you're spoon-feeding them the drama they crave so much, and keeping the thread alive - all in the name of 'hearts and minds'.

Pfft. The best thing you can do to win my heart or mind is to let these threads die.

Each one of us can put a stop to this nonsense much faster than LL ever can or will. It disgusts me that we allow a vocal, tiny minority to drive wedges within our community.

I'll go back to lurking now.

You know what, Cris? That is a great idea. I'm very disheartened with how these forums have been eviscerated of late. I know it will pass, but I also know it will happen again.... which is a heavy thought.

Thank you for posting something genuinely well intended. I'm sorry to see some are already trying to tear it down and keep the angst rolling.

I purpose to post more positive things and to ignore the negativity from others more consistantly.

Thanks for taking the time to inspire.

Catherine,

Hence the reason I said that we all play a role in this. I spent a huge amount of time dismissing statements made about my site that were untrue, and pushing back against that. If you look closely, I am not the one swearing and attacking in general. Even so, I have done my share, and it is a reason I am stepping back too.

I care far more about SL and the people that are important to me than I do about winning arbitrary arguments over and over, especially arguments that are impossible to win because they shift right undeneath your feet. I will continue to push back against open lies by correcting them, as Aimee has done, but beyond that, right now, there is no adult discussion to be had - it ends up being horribly derailed, and not by me (or by you for that matter).

One can only hope. But the fear is that if a lie is repeated enough, it starts to ring true. Sadly I can already see some of these lies take shape in the minds of people I chat with in game. They drop little hints and winks about connections and Linden pull I honestly do not have.

I see no problem in a frank, factual, and polite correction of a lie whenever one pops up.

I respond that way constantly.

The best way is to ignore or if you've got something useful to say, try to do so without insulting everyone.

Yeah, do you tell them about Pathfinder hanging out in IRC channels gossiping about other residents?

I do this already Cristiano

(Although you will run out of positive things to read rather quickly hehe
which means I then have to do the RL thing, and we don't want that now do we)

i agree cris.

I also agree with merwan (who is MUCH more idealistic than I am) that the only effective response to the nonsense is silence... not group banning, not return flames, just ignores and silence.

while it pains me to let one person's verbal poison startle and mislead new members of second life, the alternative - trying to rebut and debate - is a waste of time and energy

I reiterate -- those who think this is mob-mentality pilloring of a victim because s/he happens to disagree with the common view are naive and have not been paying attention. I acknowledge that it takes two to tango, so there is not just one person to blame for our state of affairs (although the 80-20 rule applies here imnsho).

Given that many others have not been able to rein themselves in, and the forum garbage has continued unabated, it has simply reduced the number of threads i bother reading or responding to.

I am not alone in this, so the net result is that those who are not willing to participate in the verbal brawl become silenced

thankfully, there are always the other sub forums where one can be helpful and be helped by fellow players in a much nicer spirit.

Case in point. It's showtime.

Blaze. I do not point out Pathfinder's actions in IRC to these people because they have nothing to do with me. If you believe there *IS* some association between me and IRC/ Pathfinder, let me know what it is and I will gladly clear up any confusion.

Well, no, I suppose I shouldn't have connected you specifically to all this..

However, the point being is that for all this anti-fic attitude, and it being all so much as pure forum troll garbage, people neglect to mention that it does happen sometimes.

i started a positive thread about the Islands in sl please feel free to add your own favorite island to the discussion.

Cat

Ta Daaaaa!

Ok. You guys try it at home too

Pathetic blaze.

Yeah, amazing how people can have a pleasant and interesting conversation about a contentious issue, isn't it?

Please DO try it at home, folks.

This is EXACTLY the problem.

You respond with insulting language that does nothing but angers other people deeply.

This is where your forum garbage is coming from Aimee - pay attention.

Great idea! Everyone to the Polisci forum.

~Ulrika~

And that comment is not baiting?

You have been preaching off-topic the last few days, and derail a thread with your obsessions, yet again.

So transparent, you need help.

It is irrelevant whether a troll is being hypocritical.

Please don't feed them any longer. If you do, you are giving them exactly what they want - proof positive that you are just as much a troll as they are.