!!!!!!!!!mapping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some folks don't mind being mapped. More power to them

The ability to be mapped should be a choice, just like online notifications.

As far as only exchanging calling cards with those who you trust, that may work just dandy for many folks who have strong small social networks, or are solitary creatures by nature.

In the way that I choose to live my Second Life, I meet a lot of new & different people every day... mostly new residents. My number one goal is having them walk away after meeting me with a pleasant experience, as cheesy as that may sound.

Whoever the brainiac was who designed the "Decline" message on calling cards didn't think much about what that message means to someone new to our world & its customs. "Travis Lambert has declined your friendship invitation" sounds damn cold, and not the kind of impression I want to leave people with.

As a result, I have over 300 friends cards, many from folks I barely know. If someone offers me friendship, acceptance is nearly automatic. While the sacrifice that I make to my privacy is a willing one, I don't believe it should have to be a sacrifice in the first place.

Its amazing how features suggestions in General turn out. Every. Time. =)

Wow I would prefer those got fixed before optional mapping was considered, didn't realise there were so many. Although, part of me thinks this is one thing that shouldn't be changed. The ability to map someone is removed if you revoke the friendship, right? Never had this problem, sorry I'm still new

Umm thats kind of freaky, Do you seriously have nothing better to do than to check up on your friends? I think the way you map people is more creepy than the average SL stalker...

Why wiould you do that? Most normal, curteous people, do not invite themselves into your home... most people call and ask, or dont even go over unless invited...

My understanding was that exchanging calling cards was not the same as an offer of friendship but having reread the old release notes it appears I was mistaken.

It is curious that the ability to easily link to the profiles of people you wish to remain in contact with is connected with the ability to find them on the map.

I think the solution is more properties for friends. Some you can set to "hide from map", or "hide online status" and others are allowed to track you. Maybe you don't always want to be tracked, but sometimes you do. Like if a Furry wanted to visit a hunting sim but didn't want her woodland pals to know about it....

Of course, every thread has to turn into a flame about furries!

I'm really hoping they'll introduce the ability to hide your online status from your calling card list at some point. Even better would be the ability to pick and chose who you are visible to. Privacy features are sorely lacking in sl.

Part of me wonders whether Linden Lab has a very strong incentive not to provide these privacy features. You see, the solution right now, for many people, is to use an alt when you want a little privacy. Assuming SL has reached 200,000 "accounts" as of today, how many of these would you think are alts? I would bet at least half are alts.

If LL solved the privacy issues, we wouldn't have a need for so many alt accounts.

Agreed... I also don't like having to decline friendships but i do it anyway. :/ But i have 2-3 alts. The thing is even if your using a alt with no friends, you still don't have privacy. No matter where you go... A green dot on the map is a invitation to most people.

But i think i know what LL's plan is. They want us all to buy private sims so we can hide ourselves. >.> Then they take away incentive on us...

I can log into Yahoo! or Skype as "invisible", why can't I set myself to Invisible on people's friends list? That would be even better than turning mapping off -- for me, being mapped isn't as big a deal as getting 20 IMs just saying "hi" when I'm busy building something or talking to a friend who needs my undivided attention. Setting my online status to "Busy" essentially kills all chat input completely, which is an all-on/all-off solution that isn't satisfactory.

If you want to be deleted from my friends' list ASAP, all you have to do is "coincidentally" show up in the store or home I'm in about 3 straight times. Then I know it's not coincidence, you're map-stalking me. You will be deleted, no questions asked, and not re-added. I will not tolerate stalking in any form but I have a way of fixing it. And you will have to pay attention to your friends' list to know I did it because you will not be notified.

No you can't... GE is not realtime.

There was once a time when the community was small and nobody cared about *privacy*. Everyone wanted to be where everyone was at.

It seems that as communities expand, people want to be more and more isolated from everyone else. Seems to be the same fenomenon as in RL societies. As the city grows, less people know - or even care to know - about those who surround them.

If i wanted to hide from people I wouldn't play.

Haven't been stalked, have you?

well not only is mapping annoying

The inability to mask your online status is Aggrivating as well.

Actually if you could hide your online status like in Yahoo, ICQ, AOL , MSN Instant messangers mapping would be less of an issue.

im sorry but sometimes i dont want ALLL of my friends knowing im online. But id rather not defriend them.

Luckily people who have been chatting online as long as me , realize this are polite and dont immedite decide to initiate 2 hour conversations with you just cuase you Logged in.

On the other hand I have others on my friends list who think i hate them cuase i dont make an effort to have long conversations with them daily.

Ah well -

I vote for an "invisible" mode both geographically and online status.

Well then I won't be able to covertly spy on my friends. Bad idea

one of the reasons for making the friends list and having it separate from the calling cards was so mapping could be done among other things. many of you may not know what it was like before the friends list when all we had was calling cards.
but the friends list is a much better way of handing things

the mapping feature also makes things a bit easier you don't always have to ask for a tp if they are on your friends list you can do it your self witch is a feature i really like.

if you don't want some one to map you remove them from your friends list you will still have there calling cards. this was one of the things we were told to do when mapping was first initiated.

and BTW if I am on your friends list feel free to map me any time pop in say hello I love the company most times.
being the reclusive designer that i am i am usually alone most of the time working on something.

UGH - lol

I completely disagree with the concept that I either get rid of friends or I put up with them as a good solution.

The current system in SL would be the equivilent of having REVERSE caller ID in First life. Whenever anyone called you it would let them know you were home. Not only that it would give them your current address on a GPS.

I think many of us would like the system to work more like ICQ/YIM/AIM and less like it does in EQ/WOW/Etc.

Is that too much to ask? Second Life is a social place. You might have numerous social interactions / situations/ relationships with many people. The ability to control who can tell your online would be very useful.

As it is now -

I can figure out anyone who is an officer in a group that makes is members listed is either online or the date they last were.

I can GPS in SL any of my friends without them knowing it. I can also drop in on them no matter what they might be doing.

I know whenver my friends log on or off and can contact them for any reason even if they would like to be alone with someone.

They can do the same to me.

I agree but LL made it clear to me they don't. :/ I wont give up though. As long as we keep the votes flowing, they will eventually 'get the message'. And those of you who don't agree that we need privacy, i have 1 thing to say. SL was designed to be a social environment with features for all classes of people. Some of us Dislike the mapping tools, while others do. Some of us want privacy, while some don't. Some of us like to build stuff, while others like to socialize, or make money sitting around.

I respect your opinions, but Just because you say you dont need privacy, or care if your mapped, doesn't mean we should just forget about it and tear up the pages. SL needs to satisfy the entire crowd. SL should be like a expanded Instant Messenger not limited to the low brow stuff thrown into EQ and WOW. I can see how mapping is useful for i sometimes use it to see if my fellow sim officers are in the sim or out clubbing some place. BUT I DON'T TP TO THEM. I don't like when people do that to me so i return the favor. I will come if they ask me to but not unless.

i do it on 3 strokes
when someone tp at my location abusively first time i tell him not to do it again without asking, second time same, third time i remove friendship

its pretty simple to me:

exchange card: give online/offline status

add to friend: give mutual mapping ability on top of it

choose the right one and dont ask for silly ghost functions, i have a friend on msn that is ghosted all the time (i think he want to avoid a few persons) , what happend is that , since i can't message him as he appear offline, i make a phone call -_- AINT THAT STUPID?

you can't have the pie and the money of the pie, forming friendhsip without giving the friendhsip rights to the friend

stupid ideas, stupid peoples -_-

As far out as this might seam, Theres some people i just don't wish to remove from my friends list. About 10 people to be exact. One of them is my SL partner. They all tend to map me and TP to me unexpectedly. I just wan't them to not be able to. But still know im here. I also want Invisable mode for those times i'm really really busy and dont want to answer like 20 IMs. Atleast the "The user you have contacted is offline at this time" would be a sort of shield and still would allow me to see the text of the person next to me. If you must object to this, fine but nobody said you had to use it. It would be just another one of those minor things in SL you never use, while others dance and cheer about it cuz they dreamed about it since day 1.

I was just here drinking me a coffee and thought a fun thing I could do would be to track all the Lindens, I have quite a few of thier calling cards, and I will just map them, teleport to them, say Hello ______ Linden, isn't the lack of privacy in Sl wonderful!
muhahaha
I am sure about 10 seconds after I type this all the Lindens will cancel thier friendship with me =/

Colette's right, and highlights the problem that the current system causes. Rather than to improve the sociability of SL, it downgrades it -- as some have said in this thread, we even decline friendships or remove people from the list because there is no flexibility to it at all.

Not everybody on my list is a true "friend". They're more like "contacts". There are a few friends who I trust to TP to my map coords at will, but for the most part my only recourse to that sort of continued stalking (and it is stalking) is to remove them. That's anti-social, not social, and it's due to the limitations of the system.


Oh, that's really helpful. So anyone who simply advocates more options and more flexibility is, in your opinion, stupid?