SLU/Snapzilla closed in protest

LL said it was a database error.

LL isnt doing shit for SL anymore. Microsoft should take over SL and LL and go down the drains or shoot as in my other post!!!!!!!! LOL
LL=RETARTED
(MAYBE) YOU DECIDE

Yeah, just like refusing to ride in the back of the bus made no damn difference, or refusing to support wars of imperilism, or any number of actions.

Just continue with business as usual, and that's just what we'll get...

Well first of all the main reason they did not know was that LL basically rammed this down our fucking throats with out making an official announcement. Most of the people i told are not forum regulars so they never would of know other wise.
well all I did was have to tell them one simple fact. The fact that any one can come in to second life with out any kind of identity verification. Most were under the assumption that you needed a CC or some other type of Identity verification. and when they found out that you in FACT do not need any Identification to get in to second life many were very outraged some were confused as to why LL would do this some were very worried that children would have easy access to the MG.

I guess i could of told them " hey did you know that you dont need a CC to get in to second life any more isn't that great "
but I don't think its great and that's not the whole truth either the truth a the matter is LL is allowing any one to make as many accounts as they with for any reason they wish Including greafing, minors wanting to be on main grid and sexual deviants wanting to get on teen grid.

It's possible for it to be both a database error and an attack.

I strongly doubt that this 'database error' occurred without provocation.


I could very well be wrong, but the timing and severity of it both seem a little too coincidental.

Dude.

I KNOW you didn't just compare being pissed off about the management of this rich guy's play toy to being Rosa Parks.

Hi Cristiano.

Just wondering if there are any significant effects to the LL system caused by shutting down snapzilla. Where does the data sit while it's waiting for you to let it in?

Oh quit your whining. Give it a while and Sl will be back to it's normal griefing level.

Suezanne,

The pictures on the site are processed by a separate background process on my server that runs every 3 minutes - it proceeded as normal today. Only the front end web site was shut down - I did not want pictures to be lost. The site being shut down had no techinical effects on LL - the images are transmitted by email anyway - they leave LL's server immediately and are queued for processing on my mail server.

This is not about griefing, Susie. At the end of the day, while griefing is annoying and disruptive, there is no physical harm caused. This is about the unrestricted access now of anyone, including minors, with no accountability or verification. I would assume, since you have stated in the past how important issues of child abuse are to you as someone who works in that field, that concerns about unrestricted access to the adult grid would not simply be whining. Perhaps I am wrong.

No you aren't wrong at all Cristiano and I share your concern about child abuse but I fail to see how LL adopting pretty much the same criteria as other online games will encourage online child abuse.

Please point out to me another online game that requires no billing information at all, and offers unrestricted access to adult content.

Nexus Kingdom of the Winds for one but I don't know all of them. I think many are missing the point. Yes there are internet predetors out there but the internet is not the main source of child sexual abuse. It does happen and it makes the news but well over 90% of child sexual abuse is committed by family and friends of the child. That is not in the news.

Do all you can to protect your children but I really don't see Second Life as contributing to the problem.

I think you are missing the point. Removing any kind of deterrent at all from minors entering SL is not doing anything at all to protect children, and conversely, to protect the adults who signed up for an adults-only service in good faith. It is not just about protecting them from sexual predators, it is about not allowing them into an environment that is not appropriate. Would you be fine with complete unrestricted access by minors to all hardcore pornography sites on the web? All the sites right now that at least require age verification services/credit cards? Why not do away with all of that as well?

Naw I am not missing the point at all. What children do on the internet is their parent's responsibility and not Second Lifes or any other other online game. If a parent can't spend 100% of their time supervising their children's internet use then I suggest they educate their children on how to avoid the internet predators. In any case it is a very minor problem statistically speaking.

Naw I am not missing the point at all. What children do on the internet is their parent's responsibility and not Second Lifes or any other other online game. If a parent can't spend 100% of their time supervising their children's internet use then I suggest they educate their children on how to avoid the internet predators. In any case it is a very minor problem statistically speaking.

Naw I am not missing the point at all. What children do on the internet is their parent's responsibility and not Second Lifes or any other other online game. If a parent can't spend 100% of their time supervising their children's internet use then I suggest they educate their children on how to avoid the internet predators. In any case it is a very minor problem statistically speaking.

Oh, I quite agree. Except when the online game has specifically advertised itself as a safe environment for kids. Like Teen SL, which is now completely open to predators and quite an attractive target for them, as it is advertised to be full of teens.

I HAVE spent time educating my kids on how to avoid internet predators. I also don't let them freely browse the net. I had allowed my older daughter on Teen SL. That's now off-limits, until LL takes ID and age verification seriously, at least for Teen SL.

I also think when a game specifically advertises "Mature" content, the rules change a bit. There may be other games out there advertising mature content and allowing minors in without any age verification whatsoever, but I think they're playing with fire, in the current political and legal climate in the U.S. Web sites with unrestricted access to this sort of content tend to be hosted outside the U.S., just to make prosecution untenable. LL is in the U.S. As others have pointed out, if their legal team has convinced them that they are only the ISP and not accountable for the content on their servers, then they're knowingly putting every resident provider of mature content at risk of criminal charges down the road, especially once those nebulous "anti-griefing tools" come out-- anyone who has such content and doesn't use the new tools to restrict access will be taking on a huge risk. If I were in that line of work, I'd close shop until the legal situation becomes more tenable. (And if I were LL, I'd take one look at the MySpace lawsuit filed this week and rapidly change my position. It won't matter who wins that suit. The cost to the owners of MySpace are going to be astronomical, in every sense.)

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what any of our philosophical positions on parental responsibility are. U.S. law -- at least CA law -- will be applied. It won't be up to a jury of open-minded SL residents to decide the verdict.

neko

I hadn't built anything in at least 2 years now.. ever since well... they broke it and all.. meh.

So add that to the list .

Oh, homeless too .

So by this logic, strip clubs, dance clubs, liquor stores, and bars in RL shouldnt check ID either. Just kick em out if they look young, huh? Because it's the parent's responsibilty to make sure their kid isnt in the pub, not the pub owner's? So if a parent sends their kid to get milk at 7-11, the bouncer at the bar on the way there shouldn't check his ID?

SL is supposed to be the new 3D internet.

There's no age verification required to access the internet.

Age verification on the internet is done by particular sites.

Sites on the internet correspond to parcels or simulators in Second Life.

I think what's coming is that parcel and sim owner's are going to be responsible for any age verification that might get done.

I suspect that this is a done deal, might as well not spend any time trying to get LL to do any age verification because they are washing their hands of the whole affair.


Also might as well not waste time asking for or hoping for the transition from LL control of access by minors to parcel and sim owner control of access by minors to occur in a rational manner. Experience suggests that hoping for rational or logical or orderly progress from Linden Research is a waste of perfectly good hope. Time will be spent better thinking of good ways for parcel and sim owners to control access in the manner they want and need.

The fact of the matter is - not all parent's care enough to know what thier kids are up to at all times, and that is where the rules society has in place pertaining to minors comes into play, and why they are necessary.

Let me know when my parcel has its very own URL, owned and administered by me. SL is not yet the 3d web, when it is, then fine, open it up, until then, it's still a password restricted internet site.

Btw, not that I like it - the current wild west state of the net isn't going to last, so that analogy definately has a shelf life.