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So ,if a real live 8 year old child managed to sneak in to the main grid, he/she would immediately be pounced on by thousands of Second Life child molesters?

I wasn't aware they had been suspended. I was just looking at the police blotter and it appears that they have been suspended as you say. You are right. LL is displaying intolerance in the name of tolerance. I have to admit though that a smart reporter may be just what is needed to force LL to reevaluate thier tolerance policy. I realize that the tolerance level of SL is a big attraction but, like I said before, tolerance can only go so far before a line has to be drawn. I think, in this case, LL drew the line in the wrong place.

Why do you think that? Please explain further.

What, exactly, did you not understand? Please be a little more specific so I'll know what part(s) to try to explain. I am tired and my eyes really are burning from the forum background, so if you don't get an immediate repsonse, don't think I'm ignoring you. I will answer you. If not tonight, then, sometime tomorrow.

I didn't understand your post because you said that LL was displaying intolerance. I didn't see any intolerance on their part at all. They were simply punishing some TOS violators.

Note: Let me emphasize that I don't know that that's the case that all three were suspended.

coco

What I said was...

LL is displaying intolerance in the name of tolerance.

What I meant was it -appears- that LL is willing to tolerate child av sex but they are unwilling to tolerate those who are opposed to child av sex and who are persistent in speaking out against it. Granted there were those who carried it too far and that is what they are techincally being punished for however, it also sends a conflicting message that says LL will tolerate what society in general considers immoral acts in SL, but, at the same time, LL will not tolerate others speaking out strongly against said acts. In effect it resulted in those who carried it too far being punished for it, as well as being punished for speaking out and speaking out strongly against it while those who strongly (in a trolling/flaming manner) opposed them have gone unpunished.

What it boils down to is LL (or it's representative) played favorites by not punishing those on both sides that were using trolling/flaming tactics. Only one side got the punishment. If the media were to get wind of this what sort of message do you think that will send to the general public? One that says the TOS applies to -everyone- or one that says the TOS applies only to those LL choses to apply it to, when they chose to apply it? Most people would interpret it as saying LL will play favorites whenever they chose rather than enforcing the TOS equally. That is not a good image for SL or LL. I, for one, would not want to be around to see the kind of people that would attract, coming into SL and making it a place of abuse.

I hope the above is enough of a coherent explaination. If not then some time when I am in world and not so tired I will try to explain it to you better.

Emphasis noted.



I understood that to begin with. I'm not sure Susie did.

If they were in fact suspended at all and not merely warned, they brought it on themselves. By repeated violations of the TOS and forum rules (personal attacks, libel, reposting, et al) after exhaustive warnings and second and third chances. Not because of the position they took on ageplay and not because of the opinions they hold/held.

Suggesting they were banned due to the opinions they held is absolute bollocks, not saying you are Selene, but it is just flat out not the case here. If they were in fact punished at all they brought on themselves through their apparent inability to follow the rules here.

I personally don't recall seeing any age-play supporters spamming the forums and consistantly re-posting locked threads. Within the theads there was plently of flaming, but not new threads.

I'm siding with LL on the suspensions here; a very small minority caused considerable forum disruption despite being told repeatedly not to do so.

Point out where favourites were being played please?

I didn't see anyone on the other side of that 'debate' making personal attacks, libeling folks with the label of pedo for merely disagreeing with their false interpretation of LL policy and american law or reposting from closed threads.

In fact from the very beginning people were going out of their way to be kind, sensitive and understanding of the OP of all this mess feelings and history. What they got for their kindness after pointing out that she was in fact wrong in her assumption was being libeled in the most disgusting of fashions.

Making fun of a troll whom is going on ad nauseam, while annoying, isn't against the guidelines or TOS. Were said trolls able to contain themselves within those same said guidelines and the TOS they'd not of had their threads closed nor do I think they'd been quite so foolish as to continually thumb their nose at the linden decision to close those threads.

In my opinion anyone can post whatever they want in thses forums as long as they don't trample on others with flaming, trolling and personal insults. These people did all of that with their Don Quixote type of attacks on the citizens of Second Life. They were claiming that child sexual abuse was occuring when, in fact, there are no children on the main grid to abuse. Their lurid imaginations sickened me.

Sorry but someone saying that they are against child sexual abuse doesn't give that person the right to say anything they want and not expect some consequenses.

To the corn field i say!

ive already made one and plan to use it. I'm not a age player, im a furry, but i stil feal the nead to do this. XD Can't pass up a opertunity like this.


Thats ok cuz i know plenty of websites that explain in detail what a furry is and does. it would prove my inocents.

Adults also play videogames where you use a variety of weapons to kill hundreds or thousands of victims. I murdered over 100 representations of intelligent beings this morning while playing Dragon Quest VIII; I didn't do it because we were at war, they were just minding their own business out in the fields, and I came up and killed them for target practice ("experience" and to loot their corpses. I also walked into houses and stole peoples' life savings from their cupboards. And yet in reality, I'm a peaceful computer geek who has never killed or stolen. The people who go crazy and murder people are not those who play videogames.

What's scary is that people who have achieved political office but don't understand the difference between fantasy and reality have started passing laws to restrict the rights of others to have the entertainment they want. It is evil to oppress others, to steal their freedoms, to become a Big Brother, just because one is uncomfortable with other peoples' freedom. This isn't a theoretical harm that might happen to 1 person in a million, this is an abomination that's happening now and harms everyone.

Cover your eyes and ears, if you don't want to see or hear something. But you don't get to cover anyone else's mouth.

And yes, your background certainly has influenced you, because your behavior on the subject is... extreme. Notice that almost everyone else thinks this is a non-issue, but you're panicking. When you see that, it's probably a safe bet that yours is the unusual reaction.

Just something I posted elsewhere:



Can you imagine how shocked and outraged we'd all be if this hypothetical couple were, in fact, imprisoned on charges of pedophilia based on nothing more than what I've described?

The reactionary imaginings of the self-righteous never seems to wander into the realm of innocence.

link to entire comment

Speaking as a mother, my assumption is YES. That is the risk when a child communicates with adults in ANY online environment. Real pedophiles are constantly being caught sneaking into children's chatrooms. This being their hunting ground I'll even go so far as to say there are some at least trying to sneak into the teen grid of SL. This is why my children were never allowed to chat online and even my son was 17 before he was allowed to have a computer in his room. My daughter uses the computer in our living room where we can see what she's doing. This, in my opinion, is the real online threat and where our focus should be in protecting children... not wasting precious time and energy arguing over simulated activities involving adults.

I certainly agree that this thread has been a waste of time except for watching some people self destruct if anyone is interested in that sort of thing.

I also agree that is it very important for parents to keep their children safe.

I have included a link to some child sexual abuse statistics which may or may not surprise you.

http://www.darkness2light.org/KnowAbout/statistics_2.asp

The funny thing is, I just replied to that reporter, and this was one of the things I had suggested. When you can be ejected from a virtual world for saying the words 'Second Life' then nothing is beyond belief.

Well, Susie, I don't believe those statistics for a minute.

If they *were* true, and one girl in four had been sexually abused in childhood, it would mean that pedophilia was a normal expression of sexuality. Is that what the people who created those statistic are suggesting?

Frankly nothing really surprises me.... does make me sick to my stomach and paranoid reading it.




Generally all statistics should be taken with a grain of salt. Every study will contain the biases of those doing the study and any organization giving statistic will skew those statistics in their favor. I don't doubt however that the numbers are still pretty horrific. Still.... even knowing I don't believe in statistics, they do have an impact when reading them. *sighs* And thats their job.

No I don't think those are "created" statistics and they certainly don't suggest that pedophilia is a normal expression of sexuality. If anything I think they are very conservative. I have read other reports that show that 1 out of 3 girls are sexually abused as children and 1 out of 4 boys. I believe those statistics were collected from the National Clearing House of Child Abuse which is based on child protective service statistics from the individual states. These kind of statistics are not based on subjective surveys but on substiantiated cases of child abuse.

I also think the 90% (children abused by family, relatives and friends) figure may be off as it may be much higher because those are exactly the type of situations not reported the most.

Child sexual abuse is not always reported due to the shame that the child feels especially after being exposed to the outrage and hysteria that many adults express when talking about the subject.

lol Man you are way off in left field with your comments about me. I may have been very tired when I made my posts but I was in no way behaving in an extreme manner. I was completely calm. There was nothing to panic about. I wasn't attempting to "cover" anyone's mouth. I was saying the exact opposite.

So my reaction was different/unusual (with at least one or two exceptions). So what? I am different from everyone else. I am an individual with my own thoughts and beliefs. Just because I see things most people miss doesn't mean I have emotional issues as you have implied.

I saw what happened on those threads. I saw the trolling that was done by some on both sides. I read the posts where one side attacked the other and the other side retaliated by attacking back. All I was saying is everyone on both sides that did the attacking should have been punished, not just those on one side. There is nothing hard to comprehend about that.

I do see now what this thread is really all about. I have no desire to participate in a witch hunt of this nature.

Except as has been stated repeatedly before, thats not really what happened.

So what you are saying really is that hard to comprehend.

Both sides of that 'debate' didn't break the guidelines or TOS, three individuals did with reposting and personal attacks of the lowest sort for nothing more than being disagreed with. They flung poo everywhere and derailed this entire forum for days with constant trolling. If they were punished it was due to their inability to follow the forum guidelines and the TOS in regards to personal attacks, reposting, and trolling, not because of their opinions as you and cocoanut have repeatedly and incorrectly implied.

There is a big difference between calling someone you disagree with a pedo and reposting from a linden locked thread after you've been repeatedly warned not to ad nauseam and anything anyone else did that participated in those threads, i.e. "please seek help" isn't considered a personal attack any more than posting a link to a pic to poke fun at what is obviously a troll.

If you can't see the difference between the two you never will.

The folks protesting "child av sex" were expressing what they thought was a reality that only they seemed to see. When they were confronted they responded by attacking everyone in sight which resulted in their self destruction. It was a sad sight but they brought it upon themselves.

I would like to see this thread moved to off topic so it may continue hopefully without the hysteria.