Is the god mode thing for real?

It certainly doesn't mean someone else didn't get it to work, or that another version will. This needs to get killed before some bum-dumpling decides to clear someone's sim, and ends up with the ability to do it.

Of course, I kinda suck too, so I'm taking nimrod's word that they really don't work and its not me just being retarded. Personally I would have liked a manual of sorts with this so I knew what the features do (or don't do, in the case of the server side stuff).

I just like the supercam feature on it, its really handy for large-scale building.

EDIT: from what I understand about it, the Really Bad Stuff is all server side and therefore not enabled with the client add-on - i.e. if your account doesn't have the permissions to use certain features, like the Linden accounts do, you can't use them. Unless LL changes that aspect, I doubt anything besides a hack into a Linden account is going to do anything - in which case, they wouldn't need the client addon in the first place.

YOU HEAR THAT LINDENS?! DO YOU?!

I should also point out that even if it turns out that no antisocial features work, for LL to tolerate this is tantamount to LL allowing a private business to sell built-in features of LL's client on a for-profit basis! (Insert the usual InfoNet-style conspiracy theorising here )

Why are these features even on it if they aren't supposed to work? Or at least work somewhere, at some time, for someone?

coco

They DO work - for a Linden account that has the server permissions to access them.

All this add-in does is give you the God menu, right next to the Debug menu. The server features require you have account permissions to use them. The client side stuff doesn't. The client side stuff is what you can use on the menu.

did it start out as a freebie or not?

I wanna try it but there's no way I'm shelling out $2500 for it. (I'm cheeeeeeeeeap)

Oh - they based if off the one the Lindens use?

coco

If it's coded not to work, then it won't work. Code cannot magically change itself to allow some people things and others something else.

Burnman Bedlam, can you post either a video, screenshots, or detailed instructions on which object was deleted by what avatar in what sim? If this is true I will see to it that the ability doesn't last for long, but I don't see you in the buyers list of the product, so if this is second hand information please put me in contact with whoever found the vulnerability. I'm concerned that someone apparently found such a serious flaw, but not once was the author ever notified with a bug report. I've investigated two cases so far where people were claiming it had features beyond what it should, and in both cases the people were accidentally manipulating objects owned by the group they were in.

Also, your thread in Second Life Answers is a duplicate post, Robin Linden is preparing a statement in the original thread so I would watch that one instead.

Yes, it's the Ctrl+alt+G thing, except it's limited on what you can use.

If I had to guess, I would say the .exe file you run for this add-in just allows the God menu which already exists in the SL program to be viewed by any account, not just Linden accounts - which doesn't mean all features will work, because you have to have the correct account permissions on the server to use the server-side features.

Nope, this is the only one that exists. It's handy if you like to explore or if you're a builder. I love it.

I think he said that it intercepts the packets and changes them to let you be able to see it. When you cross a sim or login, there's a message that says 'God Mode, level 255' or something like that.

Your damned right you don't see me in the buyer's list. And since you read my Second Life Answers thread, you would know that I was asking for verification. If you have followed this thread, you would also know that I never stated that *I* have experienced a loss of property, but I would rather the project get killed before such an exploit happens.

There would be no flaw to find in a viewer hack if LL would follow their own policies and STOP REVERSE ENGINEERING OF THE VIEWER.

Ahhhhhhhh THAT'S what that's all about. Awesome, I was wondering that.

Now I'm wondering what the "*** parent estate: 1, mainland" at the beginning of a new IM means.

The only time you can use any of the server-side stuff is if you already have permission.

For example, you can delete your own objects, or objects shared with your group, etc, etc. And if you've manager access to a sim, many of the region-specific features will work for you. NONE of the Linden-only server-side tools (that I've tried, which is most) will work... unless, of course, you happen to be a Linden.

Let's get this straight...

THIS IS NOT APPROVED.

Despite what you have heard and despite anything that any particular Linden may have told you. It is just as illegal for a company to break it's own agreement as it is for those of us that sign on the dotted line.

This is just the way law works.

The person doing this is clearly in violation of several sections of the TOS as outlined by someone else above. It is not possible for LL to simply say "oh but we are okay with that." They do not have the legal right to do so and are as bound by the agreement as the rest of us.

If LL wants this to happen and doesn't want to punish this loser for making money off this hack, then THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOS first.

There is no legal way around that AFAIK.

Edit: Knowing how many "bright lights" there are at LL they may not be aware of the fact that they can't do this however. Expect a hasty revision of the TOS wording on the next client update.

Burnman Bedlam ok lemme point out the isle of lesbo lovers is likely that they either bought the land b4 a grid crash, or an officer sold it if it was actually land that went away. If it was objects well the person should go check who has mod rights to their items check if items were deeded to group etc as those can be taken by anyone in the group. Its not due to this plugin and the person was likely trying to cause some panic. I notice they called for an economic boycott? Probably just some fuel for them to get a point accross in the most likely of situations.

You seem a bit irrational about a product alot of us know little about. Just wait for the linden's to say it. Mabye it will push some extra features in the future for the detached camera and other stuff. The features i've heard working are client side. There is no plausible way for them to actually get server permissions as you need to be a linden to do so. Your post is just some ploy to get people to panic from the looks of it for a product you yourself have never used.

The product is in violation of the TOS.

I'd only get it if I could use it to change the creationship of my items to someone else. So I could move my important stuff to my alt and destroy Psyra. And start over fresh. ^^

This is why I do so love the law. The law is what makes things make sense. This wiffly-waffling around with "the law - well, when we intend it to be, but not in the cases where we don't mind" sort of stuff is just so harmful. Society can't function when laws sometimes apply and sometimes don't, depending on the individuals involved, on whim, and/or on the current phase of the moon.

I'm glad you've elucidated this for me, Dianne. Gives me hope.

Thanks, Cory and others, for explaining what this God Thing interface is.

coco

P.S. Destroy Psyra? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

But they can punish people how they wish. Also if they want, they don't have to punish him at all even if he did break the TOS.

Edit: Also, if they punish him, would they punish the users also? They would have to punish them all because there would be no way to tell if a person knew whether it was against the TOS or not. I think it's easier for them to just say that they allow it. It's not possible to cause harm with it.

Law does make a lot of sense, that's why there's a legal term called standing. I will send you a bonus prize if you read up on what standing is, how it applies to contract law, and why a random resident lodging a complaint about a contract between another resident and LL doesn't have standing, because it's not a joint contract between all of the residents and the company.

The bonus will be worth doing your homework for I promise.

If I'm not mistaken, breach of contract is a civil offense. As such, a civilian involved (a party in the contract) has to raise the issue. So it's a moot point if neither party involved in the contact raises the issue of a breach of contract? IANAL, but it seems to me that if no one is "pressing charges," then the only ones that care are a lot of people who are not party to the contract between Eddy Stryker and LL.

As for the influence of such software on SL, so far it hasn't been confirmed to do anything "bad". Oh noes, I can see inside banned property! Unless you own half a sim, people could already do that by standing at the border to your property. This program does nothing but unlock features *already present* in the client. Client-side security is a stupid idea in the first place; I doubt anything critical, such as object ownership, can actually be manipulated client-side without a Linden account (which, I assume, must be authenticated at the server).

Anyway, none of that would stop a clean-room reverse engineering, so even that point is moot. I could have a friend on my network with a computer in promiscuous mode while I play SL on a different machine. He sniffs packets, takes it to a team of people who don't play SL, and reverse-engineer the protocol and write libsecondlife. With no breach of contract, since said friend didn't sign a contract with LL.

Okay, maybe that's a bad example... is there a "conspiracy to breach contract" law? I dunno... "accessory to breach of contract"?