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Governor Linden slanders my business

Annah Zamboni
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12-13-2005 16:48
Just think of it as being like the 10 Worse Dressed Celebrities that one of those magazines publishes. Sure it sucks to be on the list but hey you're still famous.
Ron Overdrive
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12-13-2005 16:49
From: Anshe Chung
Governor Linden is the land owner. He, and nobody else, is responsible for what is on his land. If the crownies he choose to edit the content for his terminals do so badly, then he and he alone is the person to blame.

I expect:

1) immediate removal of this slanderous category "Worst Places of SL"

Probly not gonna happen as its not controlled by LL.
From: someone

2) one public and sincere apology by Governor Linden, here on this forum

They're not gonna apologise for the actions of other users. You want apologies talk to to person(s) who wrote the article.
From: someone

3) one concept that ensures fair and non-discriminating access for all residents to this medium "InfoNet", based on objective criteria and not favoritism

Since InfoNET is the only well establish information network within SL I highly doubt LL was playing favorites installing infoNET terminals at their new hubs. I personally find InfoNET totally fair and unbiased as they are staying true to its original intent of being an information distribution network like the Internet and not censoring anything that comes through them.

On a side note: Free speech is a b!tch isn't it Anshe?
Ozone Moe
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12-13-2005 16:50
From: Anshe Chung
I expect:
2) one public and sincere apology by Governor Linden, here on this forum

Guess what? I expect apologies for all the lies you use to master your buisness. The contracts you never respect. The land you steal and destroy to make it even more commercial.

You are destroying SL and make it a wide Buisness.
Now stop complaining because lots of people don't like you.
Juro Kothari
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Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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12-13-2005 16:50
From: Anshe Chung
Governor Linden is the land owner. He, and nobody else, is responsible for what is on his land. If the crownies he choose to edit the content for his terminals do so badly, then he and he alone is the person to blame.

I expect:

1) immediate removal of this slanderous category "Worst Places of SL"
2) one public and sincere apology by Governor Linden, here on this forum
3) one concept that ensures fair and non-discriminating access for all residents to this medium "InfoNet", based on objective criteria and not favoritism

Good luck on getting any of that.

Those terminals are not the Governor's, neither is the content. I bet had you not brought this up on the forums, your week in the 'Worst of' list would've gone by pretty much unnnoticed. Kudos on the publicity.
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Desmond Shang
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12-13-2005 16:50
From: Anshe Chung
Today I logged in, looked at new "Infohubs". What did I find? The slander now spread all over Second Life. You click on some terminal "Information from Linden Lab" and can officially learn about the "Worst Places of SL".


This is not right on many levels.

Does everyone else listed get to respond in kind, say, by placing signs on their land that make equivalent statements?

This whole situation is very unhealthy.



If it remains, like all things, it will soon devolve to the lowest common denominator. Money.

You can bet your entire monthly dwell incentive on the fact that anyone doing modestly well will soon be smeared by competitors and their alts.

The irony is that I have no doubt that InfoNet would be among the first victims.
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Aaron Levy
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12-13-2005 16:54
From: Jim Lumiere
The first thing you see on those terminals is a disclaimer saying that LL isn't responsible for all of the content ...

Accusing Governor Linden of slander seems inaccurate.


Yeah, disclaimers are what asshats hide behind.

"I am not responsible for what this madman does with this gun about to give him, but here you go, murderous madman, here's a gun and there's a bunch of people over there. But remember, I'm not responsible for what you do with it."

The infohubs were not just a bad idea, but a really, really STOOPID idea.
Artemis Fate
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12-13-2005 16:54
From: Desmond Shang
This is not right on many levels.

Does everyone else listed get to respond in kind, say, by placing signs on their land that make equivalent statements?

This whole situation is very unhealthy.



If it remains, like all things, it will soon devolve to the lowest common denominator. Money.

You can bet your entire monthly dwell incentive on the fact that anyone doing modestly well will soon be smeared by competitors and their alts.

The irony is that I have no doubt that InfoNet would be among the first victims.


Dunno, if it were about money Desmond, Infonet would have every single one of Anshe's malls sims and properties on the best of SL list by now.

From: Ozone Moe
Guess what? I expect apologies for all the lies you use to master your buisness. The contracts you never respect. The land you steal and destroy to make it even more commercial.

You are destroying SL and make it a wide Buisness.
Now stop complaining because lots of people don't like you.


HAH! I second that.
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Eboni Khan
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12-13-2005 16:55
Is it slander for you to accuse people of Ponzi schemes?


Is it slander that any time there is an improvement for the community at large, you accuse LL of trying to destroy your business?



Are those slander? Or does slander only occur when it doesn't benefit you? I am just curious.
Sean Martin
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12-13-2005 16:56
From: Cheyenne Marquez
Maybe it will discourage bad builds and foster a more beautiful SL for everyone :)

If people become concerned that their half-baked efforts might end up in "The worst places in SL" lists, then maybe theyll be a little more conscientious about their builds.

That can't be all bad :)


Or it could make people like myself not want to own land and stick to the free accounts.
lol
Personally I like my style of building because its comfortable to me. And I get those who hate it and those who love it. To each their own as they say.
But for those who happen to like nature, over a tech or mechanical build, they shouldn't be given the medium to degrade what they hate to see. Or the power to influance others into their view because they have a tool at hand to do so.
But of course that is how the media works in real life.
Someone might say "Do the same and post the place in something like 'The best places in SL.'"
That being said, they both can be abused. The "worse places" used for those people, who might have influance, to display and attack others they hate. And the "best places" for possibly those same influancial people who want to promote their own products or places.
It's all an abuse of power no matter which way it goes. Because only those who use the system will vote. The others just read it and suppose it's not bias.
Even the traffic is a mess from money chairs. Which I like actually. It just turned it into a more accurate search engine like Google maybe. Those who pay more get a higher listing.

I'm starting to think its better to have no tools at all rather than have them abused by people.
But on the other hand that makes for a boring world and I would have left long ago if that were the case. :D

The "Your world. Your imagination" maybe should also read "Unless a particular group hates it." :rolleyes: "Or if you become a threat to them." Maybe. :p
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Juro Kothari
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12-13-2005 16:58
From: Eboni Khan
Or does slander only occur when it doesn't benefit you?

That's my guess. People become more sensitive to issues like this when they are on that end of the stick.

Still, I think its not appropriate for it to be on info kiosks at the Info Hubs (or whatever they're called).
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Ash Qin
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12-13-2005 16:59
From: Ozone Moe
Guess what? I expect apologies for all the lies you use to master your buisness. The contracts you never respect. The land you steal and destroy to make it even more commercial.


I simply want it stopped. I don't care for appologies. A lot of companies do those all the time and do not change their ways.
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Desmond Shang
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12-13-2005 17:00
Hey... I am at a terminal... and I do not seem to find this 'worst of' listing any more.

Is this a dead issue, or am I simply missing it?
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Eboni Khan
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12-13-2005 17:01
From: Juro Kothari


Still, I think its not appropriate for it to be on info kiosks at the Info Hubs (or whatever they're called).



Yeah I agree with that. Infohubs are the only thing more useless than telehubs.


Why not just turn the land into parks and call it a day.
Ron Overdrive
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12-13-2005 17:01
From: Desmond Shang
Hey... I am at a terminal... and I do not seem to find this 'worst of' listing any more.

Is this a dead issue, or am I simply missing it?


Its listed under user created news.
Nolan Nash
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12-13-2005 17:04
I call trademark on InfoSnub! :o
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Artemis Fate
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12-13-2005 17:06
I like the concept of infohubs, they just need time to flesh out and evolve. Infonet was rather unknown for the most part until this whole "scandal" but now that they're in telehubs they'll probably start getting a lot more writers and interesting stories.
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Juro Kothari
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12-13-2005 17:07
From: Nolan Nash
I call trademark on InfoSnub! :o

Hahahahh - InfoSnub!! I like.
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Malachi Petunia
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12-13-2005 17:08
Didn't the owner of InfoNet say that he/she was going to remove the Tourbus from Hell entries in some other post? I strongly recommend that you get in touch with the InfoNet owner as LL is too stoopid and has to have a month long centrifugal bumblepuppy before they even think of acting.
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Dnate Mars
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12-13-2005 17:10
Funny, the infonet system was only used because people complained that information was never available. So, LL used a system to try and get the word out.

You got your P2P, you don't have to go to the infohubs, why is everyone complaining?

And no LL should not remove the infonet. It is just a list, get over it.
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Beau Perkins
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12-13-2005 17:10
Anshe,
You are like Microsoft. People hate you but will keep coming back because you are the most sensible choice.

I used to be anti-Anshe until I really went land shopping. You may control the market but I have to say you had the fairest prices.
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12-13-2005 17:18
Or it might have people think: wow. I never want to build in SL. I SURE never want to put my efforts up to the level of scrutiny where my fun hours building are being compared with the efforts of professional architects. Maybe I'll never take a chance. And, after i've been a good little consumer and never tried to make anything, and I therefore have no real goals in world, I will leave and go play world of warcraft where I have more than a SLIM CHANCE of having a good time.

When I was a new resident, I was too self-conscious to learn to build in sandboxes, but that was before the InfoSlam (erm snub?). Imagine new players now: in the welcome area and already hearing what places to avoid and how harshly builds are judged (especially were they to go to some of the places that are quite unfairly labeled worst places when the builds are much better than the Infonet / Gnat build. I wonder if GNAT's building will ever be in the worst places list??? Somehow, I doubt it.

ALSO infonet isn't just at the hubs. It is at the Welcome Center which is in fact a Very Very big deal. Any business will tell you about the importance of first impressions. Why make the first impressions of SL as a horrible place full of scummy builders all set to take advantage of people? It's poor marketing for the world as well as the worst kind of yellow journalism.

From: Cheyenne Marquez
Maybe it will discourage bad builds and foster a more beautiful SL for everyone :)

If people become concerned that their half-baked efforts might end up in "The worst places in SL" lists, then maybe theyll be a little more conscientious about their builds.

That can't be all bad :)

Although, IMHO, the "Impeach Bush" builds should have every single one of these spots locked up indefinitely.
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Barrister Kennedy
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12-13-2005 17:20
FYI, it's libel.

For future reference, a nice way to remember it is that slander is "spoken" and libel is "literary."

This post was brought to you by the letter D and the number 42.
Octal Khan
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12-13-2005 17:24
From: Barrister Kennedy
FYI, it's libel.

For future reference, a nice way to remember it is that slander is "spoken" and libel is "literary."

This post was brought to you by the letter D and the number 42.


and just for the record its "cronies" not "crownies" ;)
Artemis Fate
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12-13-2005 17:24
From: Persephone Phoenix
Or it might have people think: wow. I never want to build in SL. I SURE never want to put my efforts up to the level of scrutiny where my fun hours building are being compared with the efforts of professional architects. Maybe I'll never take a chance. And, after i've been a good little consumer and never tried to make anything, and I therefore have no real goals in world, I will leave and go play world of warcraft where I have more than a SLIM CHANCE of having a good time.

When I was a new player, I was too self conscious to learn to build in sandboxes, but that was before the InfoSlam (erm net). Imagine new players now: in the welcome area and already hearing what places to avoid and how harshly builds are judged (especially were they to go to some of the places that are quite unfairly labeled worst places when the builds are much better than the Infonet / Gnat build. I wonder if GNAT's building will ever be in the worst places list??? Somehow, I doubt it.


This would be very true except that there's only one entry in the worst places list. And that entry has absolutely nothing to do with how well the person built. It talks about how these oversized malls crowding telehubs and 30 foot signs that aren't phantom advertising the malls are annoying and a huge inconvenience if you just want to go from point a to point b.

A thing that is actually kinda moot now that P2P is out.

Secondly, if you're a person who's going to try to make art, expect it to be compared and seen by other artists. Even without infonet newbies could log in to the WA and hear talk about worst buildings and best buildings. A real person who really wants to build is going to do it anyways despite criticism, an even better person will use the criticism to make their build better. Ever hear that phrase "If you can't handle the heat then stay out of the kitchen"?

The last thing is, the grid as it is is mostly consumer who would have a hard time building a box. And certainly they're not thinning out of SL due to boredom.
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Jim Lumiere
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12-13-2005 17:42
From: Intent Unknown
What a fun quote for use in forum signatures and profiles!

Unfortunately it's marred by a misspelled word. :(

Is there any way I can convince you to edit your post in order to change "crownies" to the proper spelling of "cronies"?

Thanks!


Actually you could still use it .. and just insert [sic] ... which I like for all sorts of reasons :D
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