I reported several days ago already, to:
- Abuse channel
- Robin Linden
- the owner of InfoNet
- public on the forums
that one of my businesses in Warmouth is listed under one rather outrageous category "Worst Places of SL" on one terminal owned by Governor Linden and placed on Linden owned land in the Welcome Area. At same time, none of my malls, attractions, public services or other attractive locations is listed in any of the proper categories.
Today I logged in, looked at new "Infohubs". What did I find? The slander now spread all over Second Life. You click on some terminal "Information from Linden Lab" and can officially learn about the "Worst Places of SL".
I must say I am lost on words.
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Anshe Chung
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12-13-2005 15:52
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Cheyenne Marquez
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12-13-2005 15:59
Hi Anshe
Have you thought about viewing said property from an objective and honest point of view. It may offer you a different perspective on the situation BTW, you have many beautiful properties. I would say youre way ahead of the game if you've only been cited has having one bad build out of the dozens or even hundreds of properties that you own. |
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12-13-2005 16:00
Well, is it editable by residents? Like the advertising things they used to stick on the back on telehubs?
I wonder if I'm on there..  They do say theres no such thing as bad publicity... _____________________
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Jake Reitveld
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12-13-2005 16:04
Infohubs are a bad idea.
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Sean Martin
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12-13-2005 16:07
I don't understand why they would want the degrading of anyone. We are not allowed to post peoples names to direct attacks and in fact are suspended for that. Which is good. But allow something like "The worse places in SL"?
Hypocrisy!   I don't own any land myself and have never been placed in any catagory like that but I still say its wrong to allow it's existance. Even if some of the places could be classed as a bad place. Things change. _____________________
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David Golding
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12-13-2005 16:12
I have been sending inquiries to the respective principles of infonet about their listings and have not received any replies.
I asked a Linden about it and they said they think they are based on community votes. Hmmmmm.... |
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Sean Martin
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12-13-2005 16:15
I have been sending inquiries to the respective principles of infonet about their listings and have not received any replies. I asked a Linden about it and they said they think they are based on community votes. Hmmmmm.... LOL so if we all vote to burn someone at the stake in SL then I guess the majority rules. Which gives all of us who know a lot of people a lot of power. But I thought that was a bad thing.  _____________________
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Cheyenne Marquez
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12-13-2005 16:17
I don't understand why they would want the degrading of anyone. We are not allowed to post peoples names to direct attacks and in fact are suspended for that. Which is good. But allow something like "The worse places in SL"? Maybe it will discourage bad builds and foster a more beautiful SL for everyone If people become concerned that their half-baked efforts might end up in "The worst places in SL" lists, then maybe theyll be a little more conscientious about their builds. That can't be all bad Although, IMHO, the "Impeach Bush" builds should have every single one of these spots locked up indefinitely. |
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Hank Ramos
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12-13-2005 16:19
I have been sending inquiries to the respective principles of infonet about their listings and have not received any replies. I asked a Linden about it and they said they think they are based on community votes. Hmmmmm.... They are based on a select-few residents of SL known as the "FIC, Feted Inner Core", a group of people that Linden Labs calls friends and listens to. |
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Anshe Chung
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Join date: 22 Mar 2004
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12-13-2005 16:22
If somebody owns more than 100 sims worth of land, more than 20 malls (most of them actually nice looking), major attractions like The Forest, Mature Sandbox, Central Park, A'ksha, Asian sims and countless other landmarks, but Linden Lab ignore all these and only prominently feature as WORST PLACES OF SL one mall in Warmouth that I bought from another resident, then how would you call this?
And please not tell me any rubbish about residents being responsible for content. I refuse to distinguish between Lindens and Linden feted crownies. Governor Linden is land owner. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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12-13-2005 16:22
Personally, I think the list is funny - but should not be included in a Linden sanctioned directory. I wouldn't call it slander by LL, as they are not the operators or editors of the content.
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Hank Ramos
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12-13-2005 16:23
Personally, I think the list is funny - but should not be included in a Linden sanctioned directory. I wouldn't call it slander by LL, as they are not the operators or editors of the content. But they condone it. You can't honestly hide behind the text "We aren't responsible for the conent here, but here it is anyways.". |
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Ron Overdrive
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12-13-2005 16:24
For those curious about the article in question here's a repost:
--------------------- Second Hell Tourbus Second Stop: Walls & People Scoops --------------------- I was flying about Second Life trying to get to my friends house and it happened. I ran smack bang into an overly huge advertising banner for someones mall. The idea of these signs is to get your attention, and it certainly did that to me. But why do these people insist on making them thirty metres tall when ten works just well for those that are browsing. Better yet, why not make them phantom so I never have to run into your shitty bigass signs. To all you out there that have oversized banners and people scoops near telehubs, get lost. By putting them there your not getting more customers. These people are there trying to get to their homes, instead you get people pissed off enough to use a different telehub to get home! Less people passing by because of your signs equals less sales for you! People will remember your signs and aviod your store because of them. Worse than the signs are the People Scoops. A People scoop is a store that has walls on 5 sides and has the front open, at a perfect height so as to scoop people up and trap them as they fly from the telehub. Below are the objects I ran into in only ONE days travel... When will people learn. Avoid the folowing at all costs! Please feel free to abuse report these people. Floating Walls --------------------- € ƒ ? ‚ People Scoops --------------------- … † ‡ ˆ ‰ Š --------------------- Disclaimer: InfoNet Systems is not responsible for articles relating to the Second Hell Tourbus as they are controlled by a third party publishing group. As a result, InfoNet Systems is unable to answer any queries relating to the Second Hell Tourbus. For compliments, queries and complaints, please see the article 'Welcome to Hell'. After looking at the photo in the notecard and visiting the location I have come to the following conclusion: It was a rant about oversized non-phantom signs that were being put up by TENANTS of one of your TENANTS. So really no one is slandering your business Anshe, but simply a former tenant of one of your tenants who rents out land for his floating mall behind yours. And like the disclaimer says, no one accepts responsibility for that person's submission wich looks like it was made some time ago. And on a side note you and every other mall owner should be happy. After the telehubs were replaced I haven't seen the stores around them so busy. No thats not sarcasm, I've been visiting infoHub locations and discovered a bunch of people hanging around close by. |
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Jim Lumiere
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12-13-2005 16:25
The first thing you see on those terminals is a disclaimer saying that LL isn't responsible for all of the content ...
Accusing Governor Linden of slander seems inaccurate. |
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Juro Kothari
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12-13-2005 16:28
But they condone it. You can't honestly hide behind the text "We aren't responsible for the conent here, but here it is anyways.". I agree - but they are not responsible for the content as is clearly stated. Do I think it should be allowed on a Linden sanctioned info terminal? Absolutely not. Anshe needs to redirect her anger about the content to the content editors and the inclusion of said content to LL. _____________________
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Driftwood Nomad
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12-13-2005 16:31
Isn't it free speech though? I mean, in RL you can easily find "worst of" lists anywhere. And they are simply the opinions of those who created the lists.
If LL were to step in and remove that content, I would be more upset than being on the list itself. We shouldn't condone censorship and government interference to public free speech. I take it the list doesn't actually say things like "this avatar is an idiot" or "this moron thinks this is beautiful, but it sucks ass" or anything that bad. I haven't seen the list, so I'm not sure. But if it is merely a list of locations labeled "Worst in SL", then why should that be banned? It's an opinion. Frankly, I would think a lot of people would end up going to all the places on the list just to see for themselves, meaning increased traffic. Which is a good thing if you are a store owner I guess all I am saying is it's better to have open free speech than censored, government dictated speech. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-13-2005 16:33
Hi Anshe.
What is it that makes these places get put in the worst places category? Are they popular places? Are the just the places you have that are given the least attention to? Are they a type of thing the people with the negative view just don't like, such as if they didn't like SL skydiving and you have an Anshe Chung skydiving facility? Are these places that compete with businesses that the opinion expressers want to protect? Quiite possibly people who would never have heard about or found these places will see them on the Infohub and go there when they never would have. If, for instance, these places are singled out because they are thought to be just plain ugly, well, there seems to be a huge demand for just plain ugly in SL, and the lovers of just plain ugly might want to go there to enjoy the ugliness and maybe get some ideas on how to uglify their own places a bit more. If I understand correctly you should be able to put your own information displays out. You can show up the Infohub producers by having a better editorial policy for your information displays,with more useful information and better lists not only of your own endeavors but of other people's products, services, and places. In other words, rather than spend time objecting to the faults of the Infohub , show us all how it ought to be done. _____________________
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Travis Bjornson
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12-13-2005 16:35
1) It's not slander if it's true.
2) There's no such thing as bad publicity. |
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Ron Overdrive
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12-13-2005 16:35
Frankly, I would think a lot of people would end up going to all the places on the list just to see for themselves, meaning increased traffic. Which is a good thing if you are a store owner Hey ya know what they say "There's no such thing as bad publicity." |
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Artemis Fate
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12-13-2005 16:35
From what I understand the idea behind putting up infonet at telehubs (or where they were) wasn't actually made to only put up infonet but every SL ingame publication that was being made. Infonet was just the first one to put in their bid, i'd expect to see more pop up later.
From what i've seen, there's nothing wrong with the tour bus from hell part of infonet. I checked it out a few months back, and even went to a few of the places mentioned. It was pretty accurate, some places had ridiculously overpriced items, some like your malls, are set up to be obtrusive so people will be forced to stop and look (people scoops, 30 foot signs, all of which i've seen). And in the end it's just an opinion. If you want to silence tour bus from hell for their opinion then you should silence the hidden gems in SL for their opinion too. And while we're at it we should silence all the rest of those pesky publications with opinions. and hey. Maybe we should silence people having opinions in general. People are going to have opinions on the way you work things, some are going to like it, some aren't, you just can't please everyone, and you can't make everyone who you didn't please shut up. So do what everyone else does. Deal with it. _____________________
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Intent Unknown
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12-13-2005 16:36
I refuse to distinguish between Lindens and Linden feted crownies. What a fun quote for use in forum signatures and profiles! Unfortunately it's marred by a misspelled word.  Is there any way I can convince you to edit your post in order to change "crownies" to the proper spelling of "cronies"? Thanks! |
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Anshe Chung
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12-13-2005 16:36
Governor Linden is the land owner. He, and nobody else, is responsible for what is on his land. If the crownies he choose to edit the content for his terminals do so badly, then he and he alone is the person to blame.
I expect: 1) immediate removal of this slanderous category "Worst Places of SL" 2) one public and sincere apology by Governor Linden, here on this forum 3) one concept that ensures fair and non-discriminating access for all residents to this medium "InfoNet", based on objective criteria and not favoritism _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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12-13-2005 16:37
Philip Linden: We are making improvements to SL
"Resident": Awesome!! What kind of improvements??? Philip Linden: Now instead of providing telehubs on LL administered land, we are going to slander you! "Resident": ALRIGHT!! I"M GOING TO BUY MORE LAND!!! WOOHOO! _____________________
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Garnet Psaltery
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12-13-2005 16:37
What is it you want, Anshe? To take credit for things you did not build but not be criticised for owning others? Wouldn't it be simpler to remove the offending item?
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Artemis Fate
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12-13-2005 16:44
Free speech is a tricky thing because it's all or nothing.
In the 1940's in America, there were nazi speeches trying to get people on their side, to sway America to fight with Germany or quit the war. And these speeches were in the public guarded by the police from the angry onlookers. Why? Because if you silence them then who's next to be silenced? It's all or nothing. LL wants to put publications where the telehubs used to be, that's grand. Publications have opinions, the infonet especially has the very opinionated tour bus from hell section. LL put that up there but it doesn't mean they believe in what it says, they're just letting you get multiple views of information and the grid. It's going to take a little bit for a wide array of publications to get set up though. _____________________
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