Am I in the wrong here?

Actually, I'm all for cheating at gambling if you can get away with it.

I look at it as nature's tax on stupidity.

Funny thing is - this comment would also apply to the tread starter as much as it would apply to the person he was talking about.

Casino owners make a living from gambling - and dare say take it fairly seriously - more so than the average punter playing the slots.

As for the other - Yup - sorry dude, I can sympathise with forgetting something is there - but it was your machine, it was left out, and she did win..

Sometimes things happen and we have to accept responsibility and take our lumps - thats life.

I've been stung but not for long. I also don't make a living gambling.

I wouldn't rape someone one make them do crimes to get my money. I have seen it though and not just on TV.

Just like drugs and other morally questionable activities gambling will can get you in trouble quick. Welching is good way to do it. Gambling debt is along the lines of burning hookers or drug dealers. It's just not part of a healthy lifestyle.

If I were you I would offer her your entire $L account, plus as much as you can buy a week, at least $L2000 a week, until it's paid in full, then pay her again the same way, as if she had never been paid. Double payment is fair, altho triple might be considered.

But first I would beg her forgiveness. Forget about seeking an apology, she had every right to be upset.

Just my $L0.02

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Most poker games are crooked. Pretty much all home games cheat and most casino tables with decent buy in will have a team working. There are alot of good card players now so it's hard to make money long term. You really have to grind to get money now a days and the cheating is pretty much rampent. I'm not good enough to beat both the rake and the cheaters so I stick with low stakes for fun only.

It's really easy to cheat a home game. It's so easy everybody does it.

I hope that isn't true. I understand if you disagree with the morality of gambling, that is your right. But to condone cheating and theft? Shame on you.

She had every right to be upset and I was willing to work with her, but she had NO right to threaten me. I have the money sitting in my hand now thanks to a friend loaning it to me, now the question is will she appologize for the unnecissary threats involved. Thats all I want and yes I did apologize to her about the inconvienance at the start of this whole mess.

Gambling is theft, as far as I'm concerned. *IF* I were to gamble (I don't), *that* would be condoning theft, and worse, making myself the target of it.

She threatened to tell on you for stealing. That is acceptable, and shouldn't be taken as a threat, but rather a warning of future action. Lawsuits make threats all the time. She may file a law suit and bring you before a court. That lawsuit may allege you stole her money, and that for it you must pay her treble damages (triple) because its considered fraud to not pay. It sounds threatening, but it's very legal and acceptable.

You don't get it - you're the root cause here. Even though I can't condone the use of threats, the fact is this situation can't resolve until you resolve it. Pay her. Call it an expensive lesson in being throuough about your responsibilities and move on.

I have heard many black hatters and hacks use similar reasoning. Because you do not agree with someone else's practices does not give you the right to defraud and cheat them. If you want to enact change, do it legally, theft is theft.

You have the money now, no need for more excuses. Pay her and be done with this. Waiting for an apology only makes you seem petty and like you've got this money on a string, dangling just above her reach. Kind of taunting and ridiculous.

As Jesse James would say:

It's a moot point since I don't do any of it.

I think it's pretty funny when it happens, though, and could really care less.

Shadenfraude, to be sure, but there you have it.

I've seen too many families close to me and mine put through the wringer by a family member with a gambling problem to have even a nanogram of sympathy for casinos that were all too happy to encourage it.

Seriously, you have the money, just give it to her and wash your hands of all of this.

Very glad to hear that.

Welcome back to the forums BTW.

I just did, but against my better judgement. I was hoping I could completely resolve this so I can drop the AR because I don't like making them in the first place, but it obviously won't come to that with her stubborness so the AR stays.

Danke

Good for you Ron, paying her was the right thing to do.

Yes! I am glad to hear this, too. Sorry you had such a nasty evening, but I'm glad you did the right thing.

I just don't take kindly to threats so she really pissed me off wich brought on the AR and the request for an apology. After a good long cool down period I decided to pay the b!tch and keep the AR on her.

I imagine she didn't take kindly to you trying to get out of paying her.

I wasn't, I was trying to work with her but she started with the threats.

Selll something to get the money to pay your debt, or use a credit advance, or borrow some money from someone who isn't broke.

Ron just what does someone insulting you have to do with being an honest person and paying her the money? Growing up and being responsible for your own actions is part of being an adult. What does you not having any money have to do with anything? Go sell some blood if you have to.