Am I in the wrong here?

Ok here's the deal. I goto log on to SL today to get a message that someone hit the jackpot on a slot machine I didn't know I still had at an old friend's club and they weren't paid because I didn't have the money to cover it. I refunded the original 200L and apologized the inconvienace while I awaited a reply. Well she replied and was very unreasonable demanding the whole lump sum she won. Now obviously if I had the money in the first place she would have been paid. I explained to her that I'm no longer dealing with casino work anymore and that I don't have the money to cover it so I can't give her the lump sum. As I was trying to think of a comprimise she then threatened to go to the lindens and I told her it would be a waste of time because they don't deal with personal disputes like these. She then turns and threatens to AR me, post nasty stuff about me on the forums here, and spam my groups with notecards telling everyone how much of a bad person I am because I can't pay her then demands I give her a No Transfer Slotmachine as compinsation wich I obviously can't give. She countinues to go on about how I'm being unreasonable and states she AR'd me.

So now here's the question: Am I in the wrong for AR'ing her for threatening me and refusing any kind of payment until I recieve some kind of apology for the threats?

Before anyone says I should have just bought the L to pay her off in the first place, in RL I'm broke atm till payday on Friday otherwise thats what I would have done. I got screwed over big time by one of my group members and I was forced to tier up after paying a bunch of RL bills so I quite litterally only have $20 to last me till friday.

Side Note: she also has one of her friends IM'ing me as well threatening suspension and sh!t by the lindens.

Have you been paying all the non-winners back that have been playing? I think she does deserve the full winnings. She has paid you via the 'machine' with a promise she stands a chance of winning more. I am sorry to hear of your financial situation, but it's my opinion that you owe her the money. That doesn't excuse any threatening behaviour, that's a seperate issue. Yes you should AR any threeats, but I think you should pay the winnings also.

The location was dead with no players, I was suprised to see her play it as much as the fact she won the jackpot. Only reason I'm withholding any payments is because I'm waiting on an apology that will never appear. I was willing to give her a split payment or goto a friend for a loan too, but would you honestly pay up immidiately after being threatened? And I don't think the threats are a seperate issue seeing how it relates to the payment. I never refused to pay until she started making threats.

I understand how you feel. I would feel exactly the same and it's easier said than done. But sometimes you just have to seperate these things, do the right thing on your part, then deal with any wrong doing from the other person(s) involved.

She's entitled to the entire payment. Anything less is wildly dishonest.

Not that I don't expect dishonesty from SL's gambling community.

Get on the Lindex, Ron. Pay this broad her money.

Apperantly someone doesn't read all the posts, I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON THE LINDEX TO PAY HER!

Shoulda thought of that before you went into the gambling scene.

You've just scammed someone out of her money. Congrats.

I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with that?



That's an easy out. You know (or think) you wont get an apology, so you use that as the basis for non-payment. "I refuse to pay until I get an apology I will never get from you"



Not sure what you mean by split-payment, but if you mean anything other than the full jackpot, that's just not right. Stop looking for excuses to not pay this person. You may have a legitimate money issue right now, but as you said in your first post - you'll be able to do something about it next payday. So tell the gambler you can pay in full when you can buy some lindens on payday. End of story.

It isn't just the gamblers that are "gambling" when it comes to casinos in SL. The owner/manager takes an assumed risk that they might have to pay out large jackpots from time to time. And they should be prepared for that with a large enough balance to cover such instances.

Most gambling machines you can buy in SL come with good advice about not putting out more machines than your balance can handle. I'm not sure what machine you are using, but regardless of that, it's common sense to know you need a fairly big balance to support that.

You may not have "remembered" that you even had a machine out, but that's purely your responsibility to be aware of. Any time you rez a machine in world and make it available for play, you are responsible for it. Whether you forget about it or not.

I find it interesting that considering the whole situation, the thing you are worried about is whether or not your abuse report against the gambler was justified. Seems like there are more important issues here. Or at least, higher up in priority.

You should pay her her money as soon as you're able, whether or not she apologizes. That's just a cop out.

Have you removed the casino game since her win?

Actions like this tarnish the entire gaming industry in SL. You need to pay her ASAP. In the old west you would find yourself on the wrong side of a noose for this.

She is right to be angered.

I'm afraid I think you're in the wrong.

The original stake was given to you on the basis there was a chance of winning. If she had lost, you'd have had the L$200 free for yourself, and no complaint would have occured. By saying that if she won, all you have to do is pay her back her L$200, you're asking her to take all the risk.

One thing you should, of course, do is to delete the slot machine ASAP.

i wonder what judge judy would say about that

Go get your credit card and buy some L$ and pay her. If you don't have the money sell something RL and get it.

You sure as hell would have kept the money she put in the machine. I can't believe you think anything is more unresonable then not paying off a jackpot from your machine the instant it's won.

This is so far out there I almost think it's a troll posting.

Dude WTF, are you some kind of fucking welcher? Go mow some yards or something, just get her the money.

is RATE still around?

Another thing. I wonder how many other poor bastards dropped coin into this machine that was falsely advertising hot payoff.

As soon as I found out the machine was there I paid her the original 200L and deleted the machine then IM'd her. Wasn't good enough for her (not that I blame her).

And yes I have a job, but unfortunately I'm stuck living from paycheck to paycheck with bills that gotta get paid.

Well consider this another "bill that gotta be paid."

I checked my logs going a month back when I stopped being in the casino business, 2 including the one in question. And yes I paid the other one back (it was only 20L, but I still paid it back).

I do a little gambling RL and in my book a welcher is the lowest form of life. Just under card cheat. Way below armed robber.

When shit like this happens RL it's a serious situation. I don't have the money is no excuse. That's cry baby shit. I won't pay untill you apologise? That's not even in the realm of reality. *edited*

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I think all gambling of any form is inherently a corrupting influence and should be purged from the collective conciousness of humanity.

My short and *cough* sweet:

1) You really should pay her, if not from a legal obligation standpoint (which there is none, as SL gambling is as close to true 'gambling' as one can get), but at least from a personal honor standpoint.

2) Yep, AR to heck and back. Two wrongs dont make a right, she should be suspended/banned from SL for acting like an ass.


- Newfie

Ya sound a tad bitter there Flavian,been stung in the past have we? lol

On the original post, yes Ron i think you should pay up somehow. Take that offer of a loan ,pay your dues and learn from your mistake. Sorry to see you in this situation.

Gambling is for losers.. well those that take it so seriously to try to make a living from it.

I give you credit for asking the question.

Now listen to the answer.

You better believe it. That's why you don't cheat people and if you do don't get caught.

Very pithy!