For as long as I've been here, residents have been fairly tight lipped about outing a Linden if they somehow figured out who their alt was because it was such a big deal. I wonder if how LL handled Torley is any indication of change in LL's attitude about being so guarded about Linden alts.
What do you think? One shot deal or change in philosophy?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-13-2006 12:25
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Chris Wilde
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01-13-2006 12:29
Depends on the situation I say. If the person was deeply rooted into the economy, then give them a new Linden account and let them keep the old for clearer separation. But if the person is well know and with such a recognizable name, like Torley, then you might as well just convert their current account. But I could imagine if a Linden wanted to enjoy SL without too much hasstle, they wouldnt want their alt being known.
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Torley Linden
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01-13-2006 12:31
Here's my take on it: I'm an experimental exception and I volunteered consensually.
 And the whole of me being a Linden relies on me being... me. Which would really be made ineffectual if I couldn't go without rezzing a watermelon forever. Or seriously, the way I approach things and express ideas. So it's an individual, particular thing currently, not a broadphase change. From what I've learned, Linden alts in general do want to remain anonymous and maintain their privacy. And that doesn't just go for Linden alts but Residents who have alt accounts too. Each individual is different and unique tho! _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-13-2006 12:33
What do you think? One shot deal or change in philosophy? Who the heck knows. I'm not holding my breath for an official response either. Should I expect other Lindens to pop into the forums now and trade banter just like our newest Linden? Maybe this is just a test run on a new society of ResiLindens and both Residents and Original Lindens are being phased out. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-13-2006 12:35
Interesting to me is what I read on another thread, which is that apparently those residents who have key numbers or whatever those are, for various reasons - like Ulrika or Flipper or people like that - also are able to peruse those to find out who is whose alt. While others of us can't.
My own philosophy is it's much easier on a person if people don't know who they are (as regards being a mod in another forum, for instance), but I have had people in those positions tell me they preferred to be "out." So . . . who knows. coco _____________________
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-13-2006 12:37
Who the heck knows. I'm not holding my breath for an official response either. hehe. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-13-2006 12:41
Well at least the resident rulers of the forums will have to use their real names.
That way I'll finally understand that I'm really, REALLY not supposed to talk back to ResAmy. Or ResSusie. Etc. It will make it really, really clear whose ass I'm supposed to kiss. coco _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-13-2006 12:45
Interesting to me is what I read on another thread, which is that apparently those residents who have key numbers or whatever those are, for various reasons - like Ulrika or Flipper or people like that - also are able to peruse those to find out who is whose alt. http://www.ulrikasheim.org/tools/name2key.html _____________________
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Kurshie Muromachi
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01-13-2006 12:50
Just as expected as the ALTs many of us have in there now. You think Lindens should not be allowed to have ALTs?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-13-2006 12:56
Just as expected as the ALTs many of us have in there now. You think Lindens should not be allowed to have ALTs? No no, my question was, is LL starting to relax it's attitude about residents knowing who a particular Linden's alt is if that Linden CHOSES to let it be known? I don't think Lindens are allowed to tell anyone as things are now. _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
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01-13-2006 12:59
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Rickard Roentgen
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01-13-2006 13:05
I think it's maybe a change in policy, but just policy. I think it's up to individual lindens whether they want to keep their alts confidential or not. And I bet most of the existing ones do.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-13-2006 13:11
And I bet most of the existing ones do. I N T E R E S T I N G You "bet"? Whatever. I think you KNOW, Rickard Linden.  _____________________
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Aimee Weber
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01-13-2006 13:11
Interesting to me is what I read on another thread, which is that apparently those residents who have key numbers or whatever those are, for various reasons - like Ulrika or Flipper or people like that - also are able to peruse those to find out who is whose alt. While others of us can't. _____________________
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Kurshie Muromachi
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01-13-2006 13:13
No no, my question was, is LL starting to relax it's attitude about residents knowing who a particular Linden's alt is if that Linden CHOSES to let it be known? I don't think Lindens are allowed to tell anyone as things are now. Apologies for sounding off there. I just don't see any problem in this honestly. People who find out about peoples alts and tell others without permission. This is against policies, right? Anyways, if LL were the ones who posted this then I do not see what harm there is. I mean, it is LL who posted this. I am assuming Torley was a-ok with this as he chose to stick to it and still be know as the good ol' Torley. _____________________
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Lash Xevious
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01-13-2006 13:23
Torley's the exception. It's her all-encompassing personality that made her a Linden and that's what LL would like her to perpetuate. Sure there are Liaisons out there with alt accounts, maybe even Phillip himself. But it's a different situation. They're not Torley.
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Rickard Roentgen
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01-13-2006 13:27
Yes torley is...
ya that covers it. _____________________
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Kurshie Muromachi
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01-13-2006 13:28
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Lora Morgan
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01-13-2006 13:32
But in this case, there are no alts to speak of. Torley is still Torley, but with a new name. From what I understand we'll not see Torley Torgeson galavanting about town off-hours.
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Enabran Templar
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01-13-2006 13:33
Interesting to me is what I read on another thread, which is that apparently those residents who have key numbers or whatever those are, for various reasons - like Ulrika or Flipper or people like that - also are able to peruse those to find out who is whose alt. While others of us can't. How is that the case? Having an agent's key doesn't tell anyone anything more than having an agent's name. The only benefit to having a key versus a name is that certain script calls only work when fed keys. And before you ask, no, there is no llKey2AltList. Does this work in the same way as an IPS number? edit: Also, yes, indeed, Ulrika's list is pretty public, so by this reasoning we can all now discover everyone's alts by clicking below! _____________________
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Chris Wilde
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01-13-2006 13:36
How is that the case? Having an agent's key doesn't tell anyone anything more than having an agent's name. The only benefit to having a key versus a name is that certain script calls only work when fed keys. I think someone said there are cases of a Linden having the same key for their Linden account and for their alt. Yes, I know its supposed to be unique but thats the case someone said in a thread recently. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-13-2006 13:38
No no, my question was, is LL starting to relax it's attitude about residents knowing who a particular Linden's alt is if that Linden CHOSES to let it be known? I don't think Lindens are allowed to tell anyone as things are now. Here's the official policy from the notecard of LindenLab Employee Policies. ALT ACCOUNTS ============ We've put some rules in place for alt accounts. Please keep them in mind as you use your accounts (whether or not they're comp or paid): * you cannot transfer L$ into your alt account * you will not be eligible for dwell bonuses or developer incentive awards * you should not divulge any privileged information to anyone, including another Second Life resident, such as feature development plans, when new land is going up for auction, marketing or promotional plans, or information about any other resident * you should not participate in any contests * you may not purchase land in any auctions, although you may purchase land from other residents * you understand that Linden Lab will audit your transactions on a monthly basis * you are also bound by the Insider Information and Linden Dollar Currency Trading Policy which you signed, which requires you to notify Linden Lab of transactions to buy/sell L$ of a certain amount * your alts should refrain, please, from participating in things like Luna, Bens Vehicle lot, Burning Life where there is a limited amount of space. Our desire would is to allow as many SL Residents the chance to participate. We STRONGLY advise you not to let anyone know that your alt accounts are employed as Lindens. This notecard is available at the Linden Office, Kirkby (186, 239, 54) near the Waterhead Infohub, or just click this link: Linden Lab Employee Policies Notecard For those who, like me, were looking for the notecard in their inventory, it's name is "Internal Policies Shared with Residents 9/26/05". _____________________
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Kurshie Muromachi
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01-13-2006 13:38
But in this case, there are no alts to speak of. Torley is still Torley, but with a new name. From what I understand we'll not see Torley Torgeson galavanting about town off-hours. Maybe Torley does have an alt that we don't know about. Good point Lora. Yes, quite obvious. So where is the clear case of breaking the policies?_____________________
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Rickard Roentgen
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01-13-2006 13:38
muahahahaha, two of my alts are keyless. Not that it matter, I would actually post their keys if I knew them off the top of my head.
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Margaret Mfume
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01-13-2006 13:44
I think someone said there are cases of a Linden having the same key for their Linden account and for their alt. Yes, I know its supposed to be unique but thats the case someone said in a thread recently. The initial comment: It actually does happen from time to time. I can watch the name changes using my name2key database. The agent key remains the same while the username changes. As a matter of fact there seem to be a few Lindens that operate under both a Linden name and a standard user name simultaneously with the same agent key. ~Ulrika~ in this thread: /108/74/82143/1.html _____________________
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