proposed proposal: 1503 Again

I would like one also, please (and I'll bring friends with me ).

(PS: someone mentioned signs? )

-- Tengu

OK We have a folder of t-shirts and signs and a landmark for anyone who wants them. Just IM Jamie David or me (Allana) in world. Everything is copy/mod/transfer so you can hand them out as well. We will be arriving at the location of LL's big party well before 2pm and sitting as close to front row center as we can.

Please let's follow a few simple rules. We want to be noticed, not hated and tossed out.
No yelling or heckling, no chaos. But no applauding either. Stony silence with our shirts, our signs and our mere presence stating our case.

Tell your friends, drag them with you.... lets make them notice us and realize we won't be brushed aside.

Nah, you'll just be laughed at as two or three avatars with a cause most of SL doesn't care about.



Good luck on both counts.

Actually since posting I've been IMed by several people asking for tshirts. It's really clear that I and the other people in this thread are not alone in our opinions.

The 1503 proposal garnered more votes in a couple of days than any other proposal, this was a clear message to LL of what the majority of their customers wanted. LL's "acknowledgement" was basically a politely worded shut up message. Their answer to our concerns about age and identity verification is to give us more anti-griefing toys?

1523 (and ty for that OP ) and this silent protest is our way of saying we do not accept their acknowledgement and we will not shut up about this issue.

Ah, I put together a rudimentary touch dispenser for the materials Allana put together, here:

secondlife://patagonia/193/51/29

Feel free to drop by and pick up a set!

-- Tengu

well 1523 already broke 700 votes so i put up an SL Answers question titled appropriately for all to notice and react to.

Great idea Tengu

I put one of them up in my store too. Thank you.

I think people should go to there acounts and delete all there alts, that will put popualtion numbers down, and that is all LL cares about.

I will be there for the protest!

I deleted 2 alts couple weeks ago that friends of mine used. They moved and dont have Cable anymore. Only other account i have access to is my partners which lives 2 hours from me. Log it on ever couple weeks so they have a stipend to spend when we're together. Its NOT getting deleted. Sorry no other way for me to remove accounts except asking some other friends to delete theirs that gave up due to vid card limits.

As I'm sure most of you noticed...

Linden Labs just killed Prop 1523 with a flat out 'get lost' to all 1000+ votes that were on it already.

<speechless>

Unfuckingbelievable.

If I didn't believe the decisionmakers within LL weren't totally boneheaded before (and I never did!), I do now. This just makes no sense whatsoever.

The first stirrings of "Well, maybe it's time to pack up my foggy tribute town and head on home." are sneaking into my head.

Does this sound like a clear "Fuck what the customers want" to anyone else?

I don't even know what to say, I'm actually stunned.

LL is apparently saying they choose to take absolutely no precautions to keep children out of an adult game????

That's business suicide.

Well Allana, rumor has it that they've hired a swath of highly-trained psychics who will be able to weed out the teens from the adults, the griefers from the nice folk, even before the newbies can de-Ruth.

What I find funny is that LL expresses still, even after the arrival of open registration, that they do not allow teens in. They're obviously banning them after the fact, *if* the teens get themselves noticed in the first place.

Stupid stupid stupid.

An hour ago I would have chuckled at the first half of your post.

*shrugs*

I have completely and totally lost all faith in LL and their claims of caring at all about SL. That was something I never thought I'd say, I love SL, I've met some incredible people here.

When others in the forums wanted to bash the Lindens for doing something or not doing something, I always wanted to say cut them some slack, they're trying and in some threads I did say that. I don't feel that way anymore.

Hell, at this moment I'm thinking back to other online games I played before I found SL and wondering what's been going on in them since I left, what changes I might find now.

Maybe it's time to just keep proposing new votes again and again, bombarding Phil with messages, until he listens.

If I was a Linden Lab shareholder I'd certainly be thinking about a vote of 'no confidence' in... well I'm not sure you can even call it management practices, its more like mismanagement. Is there anything we can do?

I've just sent him a copy of my 'jumping the shark' picture. I doubt if it'll have any effect though.

Seriously though, I would love to see figures out of how many of the new accounts are signing up to become premium. I would guess its less than 1%. Are these few new users really worth the hundreds, maybe thousands, of pissed off long-term residents who are considering quitting because the game is no longer fun for them?

Just think of the utter chaos that would ensue if someone like Anshe Chung decided to quit, all those hundreds of renters losing their land and objects. Many more tiering down, giving up playing or just plain quitting, meaning there are less events to go to, less things to see, less to enjoy, so genuine new players have less reason to stay?

I really wish someone would explain what LL's business strategy is with all this - what they have to remember is that there will always be 'venture capitalists' willing to throw money at them, but without the dedicated playerbase putting the 'meat' on the bare bones of a game/platform/3d web/metaverse/whatever, THERE WOULD BE NO SECOND LIFE!

Lewis

One thing is interesting. It takes a lot longer to get through the cancellation process than the registration.

Much as I dislike the outcome of Prop 1523, I am at least satisfied that LL's response is more "intellectually honest" this time - they've decided "no" and marked the prop as Can't Do (I don't think there IS a "Won't Do" in Feature Vote). I'm not going to be creating any more repeat props on this particular point; I'm not done complaining, it's just time to pick a new venue.

At this point I'd be *very* interested to know some more details about these "new features" - presuming that's the "Verified" account flag as previously mentioned. Will we get llUserIsVerified(key agent)? How about a Parcel Flag to disallow Unverified users? (if we don't get that, there will just be a proliferation of Verified Only security devices)

What will be good enough to set someone Verified? Any kind of RL payment to LL for SL services? If so, that wouldn't be too insane a limitation, as new Basics would have an additional reason to buy US$5 worth of L$ on lindex to give them some spending money.

A little part of me is concerned that being able to tell the Verified newbies from the Unclean ones (can I coin that phrase? can I can I can I?) will make for some two-tier-society issues down the line - but I think it would be better than ending up having to assume that everyone who joined after 6/6/6 is Unclean.

Now that they have officially declared no interest in any registration procedure based check to weed out teens from teh adult grid, it's only a matter of time before a legal shark decides to encourage some kid to get an account and be "shocked and mentally scarred for life" by the adult antics he unwittingly was exposed to, and sue LL for a few millions.

I wouldn't do this. But I'm cynical enough to know that someone will.

I know just the person, but he's busy trying to fight for islands he cheated his way to winning.

That's gone quiet lately hasnt it?

Lewis

Yes, but given that this time LL is leaving itself wide open on non-technical grounds now, I'd say such a shark would probably have a stronger case. It's not as if this hole is there through oversight or someone would be exploiting a flaw in the design; from now on, if a teen gets in, it is because LL made a conscious decision to make it possible for them to get in.

If and when such a lawsuit lands on LL's doormat, I'll be interested to see what sort of knock-on effect it will have within the SL community? Will the L$ plummet faster than gravitational accelleration? Will there be a panic rush to the door of established 'name' businesses closing up shop and cashing out? Will LL have to suspend operations and put SL on indefinite hold? And I'm not saying this lightly either. SL has been the best thing I've come across in years. The people I've met through their avatars, the sheer amounts of creativity, good will and good nature that I've been surrounded with. So many other things that just can't be measured by conventional means. I have great respect for what LL have created by giving us an environment to create, communicate and play in. LL is gambling away the world we've created for what? A quarter million disposable alts?

Even I didn't think they where this dumb.

That's because you're new *snicker*

Lewis

Alazarin... that is precisely what needs to be said. Maybe post that into SL Answers section and ask them what they will do when lawyers will get a hold of them?
I've paid a fortune (from my point of view) to play SL. I bought a credit card (it's very expensive here), I bought a lot of L$, I had premium for a while... and now I'm fearing it all might be gone. Hundreds (if not thousands) of hours I spent on creating things... for what?

That is, unfortunately, the transient nature of anything in a 'virtual' world. At least in the real world you can get insurance against disasters and losing everything.

Unfortunately, in Second Life, all you get is a kick in the teeth from the very people who you should be able to trust to protect your investment.

Remember, unless you own multiple islands worth of land, you and your opinion don't really matter.

Lewis