Night of the Living Dead -or- Second Afterlife®

The "creators" are making money, the camping establishments are taking money...

Thats the same thing! Haha
L$ is linked to real cash. Whats it matter if it's outside or inside SL?

Is it bollox. Making as in earning, taking as in stealing. I didn't think I had to spell it out so simply as we're all supposed to be 18+

That made no sense.
But however you want to see it.

The owner of that land gives money. And the camper takes it.
So does the owner of a product and the person who buys it.

What we do with our own cash is our own business. Unless there is something I didn't realize.

If LL has a problem with that "transaction" then they can stop being a part of it and cut the DI as it should be. If that is who we are "stealing" from.

What gets me is that these campers are universally hated and branded scamming bandwith thieves here in the forums by nearly everyone, yet when you go into the world there's hundreds of avies doing it! Don't they read and take notice of the forums?

Half the ones yelling about it are also camping with alts. lol
Possibly
I think the camping part needs to go too.
But I feel the concept of it needs to remain. Like pay people to vote for their place to give them a higher listing. *Instead of some classified listing fee like in our profiles, The money goes right back into the economy.*
Instead of camping all night to effectivly do the same stupid thing.

We're not discussing campers, but camping establishemts.
They take dwell money from the daily pot which they have not earned that should have gone to someone who genuinely attracted visitors rather than paying them to be there. Is that simple enough to understand?

Regardless of how many users log in each day and regardless of how long those users stay online for, there is a fixed amount of L$ given away each day as dwell divided proportionally between landowners. If only one user logged in for 6 minutes in a 24 hour period and stood on one plot of land (owned by someone else) then that landowner would get the entire dwell for that day, however many millions it be.

With lots of interesting places to visit and lots of users visiting them, the dwell is spread out between lots of landowners. It takes a lot of work to attract people. Camping establishments give away part of their dwell as payment to be on the land. No further work involved, no additional experience for the camper beyond being paid to be there. THIS IS MONEY TAKEN AWAY FROM THE GENUINE EXPERIENCE PROVIDERS.

I know quite well how it works.
DI is a flawed system that needs to go. And a better one put in it's place.

*I can't see how putting a number on anything, like Food the avi would eat while being there, would work at all.
Unless we needed our avie to eat to stay alive.
This was all in another thread If that is how people see the DI.
Some do but I never did until recently.
DI is just one part of the whole thing anyway.*

Well, no. It's not clear why paying people doesn't count as "genuinely attracting visitors". Are you saying it's "cheating" to pay people for being in a location, because no experience could possibly be more compelling than a few free L$?

I'm saying it's scamming the system and removing incentive for others to develope content.

If we assume your local friendly web host ran an offer that paid you for views on your web site, but the "prize money" was a fixed amount paid propotionally to all web sites hosted by them, would you be pissed if you'd spent days creating an interesting website that loads of people visited only to find your share of the "prize money" was tiny because someone else spent 30 seconds putting up a completely blank page that auto-paid anyone who visited it? Would you call that cheating or initiative?

It's called broken

*I call it that anyway

It is a shame DI must be retired due to a bunch of self seeking wankers. But I have my doubts that camping chairs will become extinct as long as there is a popular places list.

Same could be said about those wanting DI.
Doesn't need to be that way, unless people want to do the mud slinging.

This, strangly, reminds me of the job market in real life with people being replaced by robots in a factory. Some hate it, others see progress.
Both have good points but the world continues to develop anyway.

Oh yeah, I lump those who put out the chairs to scam the DI into the same category.

Then why is it a shame to you that the DI is gone?

*or going
*if its the scamable system that it is.

There is one.

The shame is that it must be retired because of its abuse.

There is nothing wrong with being payed for a good build.
It just happens the current system that pays them is mixed up with other aspects of SL.
Maybe the DI is dying because it might be separating into something else. I dunno what.
But someone might think of another setup that comes about to reward those building on their land. As it should be.
If something does not work in SL, such as equal opportunity, then it needs to be fixed.

If the DI is broken then what good is it to have it around anymore?
I have no idea what could effectively replace it. I doubt that kind of thing could be implemented easily for the right reason anyway.

But I hope someone comes up with a brilliant idea. Other than an extreme approach that destroys other parts of SL for the worse.

The part I like about the camping is that any Tom, Dick, or Harry, can get payed to give some shop owner something of value. And for whatever amount people are willing to give out for that service. That is up to them.
If something else that worked was in place. Then the camping part of it can go to hell for all that matters.

It's not a good example, for a large number of reasons, which I'll go into if you want me to but won't here to avoid going completely off topic.

Here's a question for you, then: if getting paid a few free L$ is sooooo utterly compelling that no other content can compete, and in fact has to be outlawed in order that other content can compete - then why aren't people quitting WoW to come camp on SL? Doesn't the fact that they're not immediately demonstrate that content can win?

What is the other content that you find so appealing? Beautiful builds? They're a great addition to SL, sure, but there's nothing to do but look - or, for the jealous/negative types, they might see it as you "letting people come see you show off how much better you are than them". Stores? You need L$ to do anything meaningful there, and what's the cheapest way to get L$ if your computer would be switched on most of the time anyway? Clubs? Most of them have a "show off your av" subtext, and what do you need to get a good looking av?

Yup. These are my thought and concerns. There is enough ghost town rubbish out there as it stands and I fear we will soon be seeing more. I hate to see the finer places that justly deserve a reward for their contributions to SL suffer because of this. Or as they say, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Regardless, any system can and will be scammed, and as I previously stated, I predict camping chairs will not become completely extinct as long as there is a popular places list.

Well the rest of it, such as the popularity list, can be fixed for the better by using some kind of compressed setup. Like a vote box that pays people the same amount, by a daily click, instead of sitting around at the place for the day. It would just need the Lindens to link up a votebox as the trigger instead of the avitar locations.

People would have to return to the spot every 24 hours instead of leaving the system on all day, but most do that anyway to reset a chair.
I'm sure that can be gamed in its own way but Yumi had a similar idea somewhere. And it was with keeping dwell somehow. I didn't get the details too much but it's interesting.
At least people are trying to fix things instead of crying.
Then again all the crying did started the alternatives I guess.

I believe they have tried some kind of vote box system in the past. But there again anything can and will be scammed ... if I were a land owner, which I am not, I could just hire (you generally speaking) you and all of your alts to come click my box and leave.

But at least with this you wouldn't have a bunch of lifeless schmucks sitting around afk, which would do well for the lag, server load and the community overall.

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Right you are about this my man!

Well said!!
Not much here makes me want to sign on every day to go see it. Viewing experiences, while lovely when you are experiencing them in RL, tend to get boring here. I am only slightly entertained by things people build. I need interaction to keep me here.....or MONEY! One or the other keeps my attention going.

I keep having this vision of carpendars who are "building" this extrodinary house and getting ticked off at the real estate guy who comes along and in 5 minutes makes a ton of money by selling it. The guy who built it gets much less then the guy who did practicly nothing to sell it but.....sometimes it's all in what you choose to do with your talents and efforts.

I have a feeling "content creators" would have absolutely no problem with "camping" if they got more money from creating things then the guy who owns a club full of camping chairs.....there would be no fuss at all then.

Hahaha Sara.

Well, bear in mind that I am a content creator and virtually nothing BUT a content creator and tend to agree with you and Yumi more often than I agree with the other side of the argument.

coco

That's because you are have a realistic logical mind like Yumi and me. : )