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Renaming The "History Wiki"

Oz Spade
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07-11-2006 23:54
For awhile now we've been quietly moving to include some more general articles in the History Wiki. Eggy usualy explains why better, but basicly it's because not all things can be known what is going to be history until its already passed, by including recent and general topics you can go back and look over them and see from there. Also until recently there wasn't really any good documentation of SL so thats one thing I wanted to expand and cover as well (but now theres the F1 help which is pretty decent). Stuff we won't be covering of course is LSL functions and the like since the LSL wiki totaly pwns that department. We aren't going for a "unified wiki" by any means, more of a "kinda general wiki", things that are beyond the scope or covered better else where will just be pointed to.

Anyway, the result of this expanding is that while we'll still cover history, it won't be just history, which means a different name is more appropriet. So far theres not been any real good names suggested (atleast that I liked :p ), so I thought it'd be good to ask. Preferbly it'd be something that is SL oriented but nothing like "Bling Wiki" (although that does have a ring to it).

Any ideas?


P.S. This won't effect the museum in any way.
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Siobhan Taylor
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07-12-2006 00:13
From: Oz Spade
So far theres not been any real good names suggested (atleast that I liked :p ), so I thought it'd be good to ask. Preferbly it'd be something that is SL oriented but nothing like "Bling Wiki" (although that does have a ring to it).


Wora'uld Wide Wiki ?
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Kris Ritter
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07-12-2006 01:27
you should rename it "Shit Happened"
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Christopher Omega
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07-12-2006 01:56
My suggestions:
"Memoirs of a Gridded Metaverse"
"Glimpses into Time: An SL Wiki"
"Snapshots in Metaverse Time"

I'm weird at 3AM. :)
==Chris
Eggy Lippmann
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07-12-2006 03:05
From: Oz Spade
For awhile now we've been quietly moving to include some more general articles in the History Wiki. Eggy usualy explains why better, but basicly

1) People complain "I don't have anything historical to add". We want to remove this barrier to entry.
2) The present will one day become the past. If you use our wiki to document what you are doing, to collaborate on projects, etc. , we will have access to more information about it if/when it becomes "historical" .
Strife Onizuka
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07-12-2006 03:42
Not really sure what the wiki should be renamed to.

*takes a stab*
"SL Societal Wiki"
"Second Life Societal Wiki"

Other good words:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=2&q=societal
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Leena Khan
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07-12-2006 03:55
I think some variation on "Encylopedia" would work for the title.. like:

The Second Life Encylopedia - if you want to be a bit dry
SLPedia - A take on Wikipedia
Second Life Opedia - Same kinda thing
Encylopedia Second Life - Brittanica-eque.

That's my thoughts..
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Strife Onizuka
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07-12-2006 04:54
Eep, If you have issue with previous disciplinary action, please use methods prescribe by the Forum Guidelines.

From: Guidelines

Recourse: If Linden Lab takes disciplinary action against you that you believe was unfair or inconsistent, you may appeal the decision. An appeal is an e-mail explaining your situation and why you believe you should not have been disciplined. Appeals must be sent to [email]abuse@secondlife.com[/email], and must follow this appeals procedure, or they will not be considered. You may submit only one appeal per disciplinary action.


While you are technicaly accurate about Reposting; that is not how the rule is interpreted. It is commonly accepted to include forbidding of linking to locked threads. This interpretation is Linden supported.
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Eggy Lippmann
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07-12-2006 05:24
From: Strife Onizuka
Not really sure what the wiki should be renamed to.

*takes a stab*
"SL Societal Wiki"
"Second Life Societal Wiki"

Other good words:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=2&q=societal


SL Community Wiki ?
SL Community Encyclopedia ?
Kristian Ming
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07-12-2006 05:51
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Metaverse.

Gridwiki.

Angry Shouting Match.
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Rusholme Malone
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07-12-2006 06:48
Eep used to be a narky prat in Active Worlds, too. It's just his way.

As for names - how about "Load Of Old Wiki"?
Dyne Talamasca
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07-12-2006 09:23
I might suggest something like "Second Compendium". I'm also fond of "___pedia". Though if you are overzealous, this could give you something like "SL Compedia".

Others:

Codex Metaverse

Metapedia - slight disadvantage of being prone to typos like "Meatpedia"

SL Chronicles - At least it isn't "The Chronicles of SL", book 27 in the popular fantasy trilogy, by best-selling author Bobert X. X. Jeddingson.

Mnemosyne - Greek goddess of memory and mother of the muses
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Oz Spade
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07-12-2006 10:09
Some good thought provoking suggestions :) yay for brainstorming!

"Wora'uld Wide Wiki" - See, theres some inside forum joke here that I'm missing, I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Hehe.

"Shit Happened" - I actualy like this, but this may make some of the teens add less stuff... or more... hmm.

Chris, I like your suggestions, but they're a little long, the idea behind them though is on cue. I usualy find I do my best yet scariest writing early in the morning without sleep. I wake up the next day and look at it and go "Wtf? Oh wow thats good, but seriously... wtf was I thinking?".

"SL Societal Wiki" - I had actualy never heard of this word before. Its fancy but not sure it works so much, the thesaurus says the root definition is Government?

Encyclopedia variants are a good match for the content, I hesitate though with stuff like "SLyclopedia" and stuff because there are so many websites that already combine words like that with "SL".

One of the few names I could actualy think up was "Grid Wiki", the only thing I can think against that is that more than one grid would be covered so in technicality it would be "Grids Wiki" but thats not as nice either, thats of course if you want to be anal about it. Another thing, its not real descriptive as to what exactly the wiki is, but again thats not nessisarily needed I guess. I do like that name though.

Using Metaverse was something we were tossing around before, but I was generaly against it because I personaly don't think SL is to that point yet and there is the Metaverse Messenger (which now has its own MetaWiki so the point is moot anyway). Compendium is a cool word, as is Codex although codex doesn't really seem fitting. I'd never heard of Mnemosyne before either, it's a cool name and a cool background but may be too confusing.

Anyway some good names tossed around so far, gives some good possibilities to think on. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. :)
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Talon Lardner
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07-12-2006 10:19
I'm fond of Second Culture myself... seems to include both history and current events, as well as not stepping on any of the other wiki's toes.
Torley Linden
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07-12-2006 11:43
Just a general reminder to please refrain from personal disputes with other Residents on here, and to avoid derailing a thread from productive conversation. Don't air dirty laundry: the forum Guidelines are available to read.

Thanks. :)
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Phaylen Fairchild
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07-12-2006 21:20
No matter what you decide, the history wiki is an invaluable SL resource and I refer resident curious about our history there quite often. Thank you guys (Gabe and Oz and crew) for the remarkable job in maintaining and preserving something so precious to so many of us.

Warmly,
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07-13-2006 00:12
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I'm posting this under an alt since I've now been banned from the forums (and suspended from SL for 2 weeks). Fucking ridiculous.



From: someone

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Or, put another way, people who have been suspended are not welcome back as alts. The rules about Reposting from the forum guidelines may also apply here. Locking this until a Linden can take care of it in the morning (Sorry Oz and co.) :(
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Baba Yamamoto
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07-13-2006 12:23
Thank you Torley ;0


I'm all for the Second Life Community Wiki ;0
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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07-13-2006 13:08
I don't know the parties involved or any of the history. It seems to me if you are getting banned time after time though, that you might need to look at yourself and see if you can do something more effectively.

Oh.. on the original topic. I really liked the suggestions of Glimpses Into Time or Snapshots of a Metaverse. It conveys the impression that this is not all.. but what you could capture.
CrazyMonkey Feaver
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07-13-2006 14:13
From: Eggy Lippmann
Guys, this thread was supposed to be about the history wiki. You're all arguing with Eep instead. The way this is going, the thread is going to be locked again. Is it really so hard to control your feelings about Eep? He has an email adress, send your insults there :p


Id hate to be partially responsible for getting a thread locked, so..
To appease the almighty egg-sphere I shall construct some words
into various sentences and thoughs related to said subject :D
(I though of adding respect the egg! nice and bold here, but I dont
like being that annoying, lol)

Personally I did'nt even realize there were diffrent wiki's on SL.
Does anyone know the history of why it was even done/allowed
in the first place? Seems to me just having links to diffrent
sections would be good. But to be honest the one I visit is the
LSL Wiki. Who knew there was more then that!? :p

Possible names!?: SLW - Second Life Wiki, SL... Dang, lol.. I wanted to come up with some cool acronym. heres some: slackers, slaughterhouse, sledgehammer..
How about Second Life Obfuscator Proficiency. Ok, so thats horrible.

Really though, just Second Life Wiki or Second Life knowledge base, etc.
something simple.
(ps, I wrote this at post 45, im a slow I guess, lol)

--Wow, some posts were removed, so now my post is in the future, awsome!
Elle Pollack
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07-13-2006 14:20
Just so you guys know, Torley and the abuse team are hammering away at this "attack of the clones" as quickly as they can be spotted. We soon hope to return you to your regular discussion, allready in progress.

EDIT: I've split the trainwreck posts out of the thread. If I accidentaly grabbed an on-topic post, let me know!

EDIT 2: Appologies if anyone noticed this thread disappear for a few minutes, I was trying to merge some posts back into it and accidentily pulled it into our "sandbox".
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Dyne Talamasca
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07-13-2006 14:20
From: CrazyMonkey Feaver
Personally I did'nt even realize there were diffrent wiki's on SL. Does anyone know the history of why it was even done/allowed in the first place?


None of the wikis started out as Linden hosted projects, I believe. At least, the LSL wiki was a resident project; I can't recall about the support wiki.
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Khamon Fate
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07-13-2006 14:27
How about "Eggy's Fascist Brochure of Lies"

Okay then something totally stupid like "SLiki"

Actually, what Siobhan said.
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Oz Spade
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07-13-2006 14:30
The support wiki is really the only one that started out with Linden hosting (and is now being replaced with the knowledge base anyway). Most of the ones I know of have been user created with only the LSL wiki being hosted on Linden servers.

Back to the names...

Second Culture is a nice one, as well as Community Wiki. But it kinda seems like these would be things that would be covered within the wiki itself, even though both are large spanning words as well.

"Second Life Wiki" is a little too vague and most likely there will be a lot of Second Life Wikis named that before SL is over and done with. Simple is good though!

Phaylen, thanks for the kind words and support. :D


Me and eggy should probably go over these names so far and come up with some choices or something soon.
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Elspeth Withnail
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07-13-2006 14:31
On the positive side, we have now had a solid argument presented against LL's dropping identification requirements before new memberships are made.

Or the negative side.

Hell, I'm just trying for a silver lining.

Trying to be OT: I think something short and simple like SLW or 2LW would be best. Either that or something insanely baroque like 'Second Life's Wikipedia Page for the Betterment of All Mankind and Reintroduction of Saber-Toothed Watermelons to the Wild'.

ETA: God help me, I actually like 'SLiki'.
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