This cant be right?????????

Fairly recently a friend of mine was late with a tier payment through no fault of her own,she lost her island supplied by "Land Baron",but the biggie was that "Land Baron "DELETED all of her belongings on that island rather than returning them????????? we are speaking thousand of lindens worth,custom furniture,items and gifts from friends, personal meaningfull things that people have either spent money on or took time to make for her as gifts ,what right does someone have to do that ?people are paying their hard earned reallife money to have someone come along and delete irreplacable items because they were late with a payment??? returning is one thing but to delete all surely thats just plain spitefull?? so be warned all when hiring from afore mentioned ,, can i have some opinions on this pls?? ty

Thought 1.... naming names is not permitted on the forums, and you might wish to edit it out.

Thought 2.... It's not the first time I've heard this happen with the individual you refer to

Thought 3.... Yes, it's a very poor customer service move to simply destroy everything when you can just 'return to sender', causing ill feeling and bad publicity unnecessarily.

Thought 4.... Owning your own land and paying tier is infinitely preferable to renting in my opinion.

Thought 5.... Sorry it happened, but there's probably nothing that can be done about it.

Lewis

Even though in asking this, I may be shooting myself in the foot...

Was there some sort of agreement made that stated that if the rent (tier) was delinquent, the objects could be deleted without prior notification?

Also.. I would recommend the removal of those initals, and replacing it with the term "Land Baron".

Oh, and extremely sorry to hear about the loss. I, personally, would be devistated.

it saddens me that people just simply turn around and delete things without consideration of other peoples hard earnt money, its wrong to delete simply returning is a better considerate and well regardless of what people might think more acceptable and tolerable approach, i hope the person takes stock and uses the return function far more then just delete after all its a quicker option then to just sit there deleting every item i'm behind you and this other person also Morrigan

Returning must be the only correct thing to do.. Delete by other owned things must be a SL CRIME.. by any in any case!

BUT of course first IM / TALK / MAIL - and inform the one that have rented it al - and ask why no pay was made as agreement - must have been - ..

Cant we be nice to each other.. AL this kind of behavior are making SL a more and more cruel world.,... is that what we seek in SL?

/Tina

It seems to be the way that sl is going, Tina.

There could be a hundred reasons why you miss a payment on time - illness, computer problem, cable going out, a storm.... all of which are perfectly valid.

Now, we don't know all the facts here of course. If, after a week or two and a dozen requests for payment, nothing had been forthcoming, THEN returning and clearing the land is a perfectly legitimate option - but if payment is due on Wednesday and at two minutes past midnight on Thursday morning someone wipes the land, then that's just plain pathetic.

Given the financial instability of the SL market, and the recent history of payment 'issues' from the land baron in question... one can't help but wonder whether it could a panic move in the hope of re-renting the land in order to make a little extra money before tier-time comes up?

OP... tell your friend that there are plenty of other options for owning land, and it probably costs only a little more money for much more security. Just because someone may be the 'biggest and most successful' does not in any way automatically guarantee any measure of quality whatsoever.

Lewis

”Last edited by Morrigan Wolfe : Today at 12:19 PM. Reason: apprently naming offenders to help others isnt allowed:/”

That rule explain why some dont bother to use the head and inner feelings (IF they have any! - I am not sure they have.) - and only do things that suits only them - the company they own - and the own wallet - bank account -- and not AL in SL..

/Tina

.... all the time whilst LL sit back and introduce features that break things that work perfectly well as it is, introduce things people haven't asked for, ignore things that they have, and seem oblivious to the fact it's all falling apart around them.

No amount of 'the love machine' is going to rescue SL eventually unless some hard changes are made, some of which will no doubt upset a few people - but I'm certainly prepared to make a sacrifice myself if it's for the better good of the overall game. It's a pity some of our capitalist friends aren't.

I don't suppose that anyone's ever considered that the higher the population numbers, unless online numbers increase in proportion, the lower the % of active players is?

Lewis

After some more than a year in SL I have seen more and more of this and it makes me SAD.

/Tina - BUT I have also meet - many that are really nice.. that make me HAPPY!

We can do what we can do:

http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=1467

Good proposal, got my vote. I can't see why someone else should be able to delete your stuff. Return makes it go away. What more do you need?

Do deleted items also get returned to your lost and found folder like returned objects?

I thought that was the case when something was returned or deleted.

IF you delete your own things they get into the trash can. IF you dont emtpty trash it stay there.

IF your things are at a land that have autoreturn or be sent back to you - they get into the Sent Back folder.

IF a Landlord delete YOUR things they are deleted and not sent back to you in any case.. poff gone.. dead.. You will never more see or get them...

A rude way to show power...

/Tina

I believe they do Clarrice, the objects aren't really deleted, you can find them in the trash folder of your inventory assuming you've not emptied it since then. Returned objects are sent to your Lost and Found folder whilst deleted objects should appear in your Trash folder.

Hope this helps, also hope it means that the OP hasn't actually lost his/her things. The baron in question really ought to just return as a matter of policy to avoid scaring folk like that.



As to renting, I own more than a sim worth of mainland I also rent parcels on private islands. I think both are legitimate, valid and suite my needs and desires nicely. Caledon if absolutely lovely, controlled, themed and the forces behind the sweetest and most endearingly kind anyone could ask for. Same for Suffugium, also themed, lovely, richly detailed and so very well thought out in terms of builds and layout (you can literally see the work poured into every build and the attention to make certain each melds well with its surroundings).

I think really we should all be careful when painting with such a broad brush, not all private island rentals are poor risky deals, nor are all land barons evil just like most in this life, or any other, there are good and bad in any group. The existence of some arses doesn't mean they are representative of the true nature of particular group.

Sorry to hear of your friends probs, Morrigan. I'm surprised that the stuff was deleted, right and wrong aside, it's a lot more effort to delete objects than return them. I suppose there are a few objects you wouldn't want to return, chat loggers, etc, but they are so extreme that I haven't ever come across such an instance. I can't see past it being maliciousness. *shrug*

Another thing worth noting: Any deeded items that are returned get deleted, at least as far as I can tell.

Pretty rude behavior, but if "land baron" is who I assume it is, not an unexpected event.

-Ghoti

I'd be pissed, but I'm not surprised.

Of course.

Anyone Can work out who Always Could be relied on to Act Callously when it comes to issues of land when it comes to Alarming Customers with the potential threat of such action.

Lewis

The next time Any Character is remiss in their payments to the Linden Labs for tier, I believe the Lindens should take the high moral lead displayed here and wipe any land they may have owned.

Btw, that last post makes me love you Lewis, even if you are a commie

I think the reason for this is because of a problem with estate tools. Estate managers can delete prims on an island sim, but they cannot return them. Only the actual estate land owner can return the prims. That means that if the owner employs someone to check rental areas and clear items on land where the rent is unpaid, then that employee can only delete unless they are the actual land owner.

The estate tools really need to be fixed so that estate managers can be given the authority to return prims.

Forget that! I once found someone squatting on a piece of land I owned -- I mean we're talking a big fancy house, full of furnishings, etc. I personally returned each prim in that luxury home one at a time, but I don't think the *option* of a landowner to delete arbitrary content on their land should be removed.

I realize this situation is different, but removing the delete option would be a bad idea.

Isn't the rule against naming names restricted to avatar names, or are businesses also so protected?

So lets say, for example, I move into the old-west community at "GO PUNCH RANCHES" and have a bad experience such as this... I aught to be able to warn other residents of my bad experience living there, but not 'name the name' of "land baron" responsible.

One would think the hundreds of residents on land owned by this "land baron" should have the right to know that their stuff could be deleted like this.

-Ghoti

Agreed.


Deleting versus returning is pathetic. But actually, there's nothing wrong with having a no-tolerance policy for rent payments. It should be stated up front, and then people will know that they should pay a couple days ahead of time to be safe.

Hmmm... actually, I do not see ANY ability to delete or return objects under the Estate tools (I am an Estate manager). I do, however, see that in About Land > Objects you can first scan for objects, and then select a user and 'Return Objects' to individual users. There's not even a 'Delete Objects' button there that I see.

-Ghoti

[edited for spelling]