whos bright idea was it too ban people without payment status?

So, unverified accounts are planning on boycotting places which don't allow unverified accounts.

hehe

What am I not getting about this action?

Basically by LL adding the ability to ban non-verified accounts they have now divided the populace into two groups... the upper class, "verified" ( which somehow means trusted ) and the Abuser class, "unverified" ( which somehow means Not trustworthy ) Now I have been in SL for almost 2 years now... and the time where all accounts were verified did not stop griefers... though now it is alot easier and it seems the amount of abuse has spiked by the influx of children or child minded adults who think SL and its residents are thier new playing ground for griefing.

However I have met several un-verified account holders who joind the game for the same reasons I did ... to enjoy the environment, be creative and to be awed by others creativity, and they should not be subject to descriminations because of some abusers of SL.

Not so long ago a young german man thought he should devide germany into two groups, He segregated them to the point that the innocent suffered, all because he believed one group was better then the other. I am pretty sure you know the end result of his folly.

Myself I will not ban anyone based on thier verified status but by thier actions. And though I do not fault those who have chosen such an extreme measure to protect themselves from the abusers, Remember the history of the Little German man who ended his days in a bunker hiding till shame took him away. All because of a belief that one person is better than the other purely because they have a different status than that which you have.

This verified/unverified is not going to help solve any griefer problems. I've noticed many of you have said that a large majority of the griefers you deal with are already verified accts. I really see no point in banning unverified accts from your business, especially if you're a yardsale/discount place... just makes no sense. I guess if you're gonna be a meanie and ban people with no payment info, the least you could do is put it in the property description, of course that might be considered a "nice" thing to do.

You so did not go there! Was this man's name Godwin?

I thought the people of Caledon were bright and enlightened.

Yet, a few days back, I visit Caledon, on my alt, one who has bought many nice outfits, a high quality skin from Lost, and a great boob job.

Only to be stung up in no-entry lines due to payment status.

So to the likes of Desmond Shang, what happend to common sense?

Some other newbies I met use Anshe Chung and other places for money, and many are jsut alts who get their $ from their daddy like my alt.

I have had a premium account since less than 2 days after I started using SL.

I feel that if the Lindens put an option into SL that disallows unverified people from accessing one's land, without actually banning them, it would be a good thing--something that puts up access lines that says right on them, "This land is for verified accounts only". This way, new people who see that message will have a reason to want to get verified.

As it currently is, when people are outright banned for having unverified accounts, it really give newbies no reason to want to continue playing--they may feel that land owners are just ban-happy and it would be very discouraging.

I also feel that those that ban unverified accounts are shooting themselves in the foot. The people that start out unverified who eventually get basic or premium accounts are still not going to have access to that land because they have been banned from when they were still unverified. Those are customers that could have spent money in those places, but will never do so again until the ban is lifted on them.

I don't understand what the problem is here. Stores are have been getting griefers by the dozens since the ability to create unlimited accounts annomously has been issued. Should shop owners stay in their shop 24/7 to make sure their customers don't get shot, or that some guy is going to say he works for you and sell you the stores products for cheaper? If you get varified, then getting banned means you are getting banned, and won't be able to come back with the same powers you had before {land, able to go to stores tha block unvarified, ect} unless you get a new credit card. Sucks that is has to effect all unvarified users, but there are very very few reasons why you can't become varified if you are over 18. If you fall into those very few reasons, then be glad you are able to play at all, because you sure as hell wouldn't of been able to before.

Um, when an account gets verified, it then has access to land that has banned unverified users, so there's nothing permenant about it.

Also, it's not just stores that ban unverified accounts, it's residents with private land. Part of my land is off limits to unverified accounts, not because I hate newbies or anything like that, but because of the people who are using unverified throw-away accounts for griefing.

Personally, I think that LL should be letting people who sign up for SL know right up front that if they don't give credit card details, that there are going to be some places in SL that they won't be able to go.

As for people who have a credit card, or the ability to get a pre-paid cheap debit card and who are *still* unverified, I have no sympathy at all when they complain about not being able to get in places. I reserve that for people who live out of the country or for some reason (Other than being under 18.) *can't* get a credit or debit card.

when you get alts bombing your freebie section with their own crp for sae for 100L you can see why. Authough i havnt yet banned no payment info people i will be placing an object tht records ppl with no payment info so i can talk to them if need be.

You can just ban unverified throw-away accounts instead of all unverified accounts. Avatar age can also be detected via script, and you can program your security orb only to eject unverifieds less than a week old, or at worse, only unverifieds created on June 6th or later.

Sorry--I didn't realize that. I saw the word ban and assumed it was just like any other ban--I never saw any posts explaining this. Thanks for clarifying that.

Or he can do it the simple way and just ban all unverified.

Actually, I just click the button on the access window.

However, even now I don't have *all* of my land set up to ban unverified accounts, just the third or so that's closest to my neighbors, who were getting griefed on a regular basis rom my land.

...you got to have a certain tie to get a seat.

No, you can't watch, you can't eat, you ain't supposed to be heeeeeere.




That said, as an employee at what is often the #1 mature "hot spot" in SL, the upswing of griefers and poorly-behaved guests since 666 has prompted me to start checking "payment status" of anybody who IMs me, but that I don't know. If they have no payment info, I don't respond unless they were polite and reasonably articulate in their IM. And, no, "u wann fuck, titties?" doesn't count as either polite or articulate.

We've seen a LOT more troublemakers at the club since 666, and the vast majority of them have been status "No Payment Info". Would it be unfair of the owner(s) to set the club to deny access to anybody without payment info on file? Probably, as there are also a lot of non-troublemaking NPI's coming around. For a large scale dance club, it's probably not a good idea. For a smaller business, with a very specific clientele (a clothing store dealing only in latex lingerie for mini-me-sized cross-dressing scalies, for example), probably would not suffer overtly from such a restriction on their property. Private residences/plots, of course, can do whatever the hell they want, and "explorers" can take their indignation and shove it up their virtual bunghole.

You proceed from a false assumption

Any 1 day old newbie CAN get their hands on Star Wars armour, C4 and even nukes without even getting (or using) the L$250 stipend from signing up with credit card info, for the simple reason you can get this stuff for free from many places over the grid.

How is my assumption any more wrong than assuming that unverifieds are automatically griefers?

Explain to me how anyone who is honestly, genuinely brand spanking new (the account was created that same day in some cases) would have any idea where to go to get anything? Yadni has a $1L pricetag on his bundles - you need $10 or $20L to get his startup stuff. You could go to the Shelter or the GNUbie center, but the majority of new people I've met have no clue how to even use their search feature, much less what to look for.

Yeah he's right:

I've seen lots of signs in stores that say "We reserve the right to refuse service". How is this any different?

It's their store. They're the ones LOSING money by keeping people out. If they feel the reason is good enough to block the ones with no payment info on file, it's their business, their problem, their stupidity. Everyone will find somewhere else to shop, and when the store owner realises his/her mistake, he/she will try to fix it but no one will come shop there anymore and they will go bankrupt in tears.

I stoped paying those lindens because their system ripped me of hundreds of dollars not to mention the overdraft fees. I was a premium account and I was charged every day for a month values from .01$ to 100$ EVERY DAY. I HAD NO LAND AND NO ISLAND OR ANYTHING. IT WASN'T THE END OF THE YEAR SO IT WASN'T MY PREMIUM PAYMENT if thats what any of you were thinkin' lol . I managed to get all the money back from LL that I was charged, but I never got those overdraft fee money back. Never again will I trust this buisness with my money. And I deserve to get blocked out of a store because of this? Well you can take your store and your signes and shove them up- well store owners, thats how I feel on the subject.


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Sometimes I've been banned from somewhere on an alt and it wasn't intentional, so I talked to the store owner and they realized what happened and let me in, or at least explained the situation to me. Just sayin'.