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Allana Dion

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08-09-2006 12:07

From: Ricky Zamboni

What you said is:

To me, that implies you think it's fine for someone to resell free items in order to cover their expenses.

So, it's a matter of degree, is it? If a person is making L$20,000 per month reselling your free items, why do you care whether they're sold as a giant bundle or one at a time?

Repeating myself...
"If you can't see the difference I'm not going to bother to explain it to you."
Waste of time.

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Ricky Zamboni

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08-09-2006 12:18

From: Allana Dion

Repeating myself...
"If you can't see the difference I'm not going to bother to explain it to you."
Waste of time.

Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items.

Either way, no big deal.

VolatileWhimsy Bu

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Posts: 1,492

08-09-2006 12:30

/stare
/glare
I am TELLING YOU all that selling a freebie for 1 linden is acceptable.. ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT AND I FEEL THE NEED TO SHOT YOU AND BLOW MY FUSE

Kalia Meiklejohn

You make me itch

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08-09-2006 12:41

From: Siobhan Taylor

Sure if you're used to currencies like the dollar, euro etc... but what if you are from a country where 1 cent is something like a 1000 of your currency? Then it's not free, is it?

Do you mean, where 1 cent US is equal to what would comparitivly be $1000 US, in how long it would take to earn, standard of living etc?
I wonder if many people in third world countries have internet connection at home...LOL.

Dyne Talamasca

Noneuclidean Love Polygon

Join date: 9 Oct 2005

Posts: 436

08-09-2006 13:15

From: Ricky Zamboni

To me, that implies you think it's fine for someone to resell free items in order to cover their expenses.

You forgot "for L$1".

From: someone

So, it's a matter of degree, is it?

Yes. If the degree is L$1, it is fine. If the degree is higher, it is not fine.

This is a well-known and widely accepted exception in SL that evolved out of a specific limitation in the client (and frankly, until this thread, I wasn't aware that the limitation no longer existed).

From: someone

Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items.

Or perhaps people dislike reductio ad absurdum being used to build straw man arguments?

You are attempting to connect the practice of reselling for a token amount for historical and service reasons to the practice of preying on newbie ignorance by reselling at commercial prices out of profit motives and a dearth of ethics. This is an unwarranted exaggeration of what was said as well as a misrepresentation of what was intended both by the poster as well as the people engaged in these respective practices.

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Hank Ramos

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08-09-2006 13:16

From: Allana Dion

Another reason some people may charge 1L$, think of Yadni's. He sells boxes of dozens upon dozens of items for 1L$ for the entire box and he has land tier and other expenses to pay for. Given the amount of items a person gets in a box, I think it's reasonable to charge 1L$ for it to help offset expenses.

True, but I'm sure Yandi profits more than what it costs for his land tier by selling the freebies of others.

Annah Zamboni

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08-09-2006 13:29

From: Venus Vaughan

With YadNi's Place and the Mantabian place (I think that how you spell it )? they advertise not all freebies ...

But when i go to a Store - or a desiner who are saying they are giving away freebees ,then when i get there , find out its not free it like from 1l -10l for this so called free bee --- I think about the Integerity of the person , and how honest they are ? Makes me feel that Hey! if they are going to be dishonest .. Then how much are they over changing for there stuff they make in the stores . I go around to see simular items Priced way less -- So thinking ok ! That designer has now made my black list and i won't Contuct or buy any of there Products .... Simplie as that ... Just to your rescearch just like with every thing else ....

Iwont buy a anything before this ... it's all about Honesty!

Got rip off ppl where ever you go !

V-girl

As mentioned before, charging 1 L$ can help track people that buy multiple freebies who then turn around and resell the freebies for 100s of L$ to unsuspecting people. I think 1/3 of a cent is worth that little bit extra protection/warning. The people getting rich arnt the ones selling freebies for 1 L$, its the people reselling freebies for 100s of L$ each. If you black list a designer that took the time to make a "freebie" and sell it for $1 and think they are dishonest, then I think YOU need to do more research and find out who the dishonest people really are.

FlipperPA Peregrine

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Join date: 14 Nov 2003

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08-09-2006 13:30

I'm including L$1 items in SLBoutique.com's freebie list, because of the historical fact that previously to see the item in your account history and track sales, it had to cost an L$.

Also, if we go with L$300 == US$1, then...

YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT 1/3 OF ONE BLIMY CENT, OR 1/6 OF A FRICKIN' UK POUND!

Think about that for a moment.

Welcome aboard, Elinea - but please check the search on the forums, you'll find many threads like these (and escorts) have already occurred and been beaten to death.

Regards,

-Flip

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Allana Dion

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08-09-2006 15:05

From: Ricky Zamboni

Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items.

Either way, no big deal.

*sigh* It is because I have argued this so many times on these forums I am sick of the subject by now and bored with trying to explain to people who would rather stick to their own view. It's fine, see it any way you like and I will see it any way I like.

From: Hank Ramos

True, but I'm sure Yandi profits more than what it costs for his land tier by selling the freebies of others.

Thats possible, I don't know what his bank account reads like. The most important thing he does is get permission from people, the items in his junkyard are for the most part, given to him by the creators. (as in my case)

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Hugsy Penguin

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08-09-2006 15:07

Another issue with selling "freebies" for L$1 is the difficulty that puts on people with no payment info on file. Forgetting about alts, griefers, kids, etc.. for the moment, you have people joining and wanting to check out what SL is all about before they spend any money on it. They get directed to a freebie location, but become frustrated because they still can't get anything (or very much) because they actually don't have even just 1 Linden.

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Elinea Richard

Owner of 7th Heaven

Join date: 23 Oct 2005

Posts: 123

08-09-2006 15:10

The fact that both of my boredom threads (This one and the "Escort is a Prostitute" one) are still active brings a tear to my eye. ^_^

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Allana Dion Registered User Join date: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,230	08-09-2006 12:07 From: Ricky Zamboni What you said is: To me, that implies you think it's fine for someone to resell free items in order to cover their expenses. So, it's a matter of degree, is it? If a person is making L$20,000 per month reselling your free items, why do you care whether they're sold as a giant bundle or one at a time? Repeating myself... "If you can't see the difference I'm not going to bother to explain it to you." Waste of time. _____________________
Ricky Zamboni Private citizen Join date: 4 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,080	08-09-2006 12:18 From: Allana Dion Repeating myself... "If you can't see the difference I'm not going to bother to explain it to you." Waste of time. Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items. Either way, no big deal.
VolatileWhimsy Bu Registered User Join date: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,492	08-09-2006 12:30 /stare /glare I am TELLING YOU all that selling a freebie for 1 linden is acceptable.. ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT AND I FEEL THE NEED TO SHOT YOU AND BLOW MY FUSE
Kalia Meiklejohn You make me itch Join date: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 258	08-09-2006 12:41 From: Siobhan Taylor Sure if you're used to currencies like the dollar, euro etc... but what if you are from a country where 1 cent is something like a 1000 of your currency? Then it's not free, is it? Do you mean, where 1 cent US is equal to what would comparitivly be $1000 US, in how long it would take to earn, standard of living etc? I wonder if many people in third world countries have internet connection at home...LOL.
Dyne Talamasca Noneuclidean Love Polygon Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 436	08-09-2006 13:15 From: Ricky Zamboni To me, that implies you think it's fine for someone to resell free items in order to cover their expenses. You forgot "for L$1". From: someone So, it's a matter of degree, is it? Yes. If the degree is L$1, it is fine. If the degree is higher, it is not fine. This is a well-known and widely accepted exception in SL that evolved out of a specific limitation in the client (and frankly, until this thread, I wasn't aware that the limitation no longer existed). From: someone Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items. Or perhaps people dislike reductio ad absurdum being used to build straw man arguments? You are attempting to connect the practice of reselling for a token amount for historical and service reasons to the practice of preying on newbie ignorance by reselling at commercial prices out of profit motives and a dearth of ethics. This is an unwarranted exaggeration of what was said as well as a misrepresentation of what was intended both by the poster as well as the people engaged in these respective practices. _____________________ Dyne Talamasca - I hate the word "bling". Miscellany on MySLShop.com, SLB, and SLEx Plonk
Hank Ramos Lifetime Scripter Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,328	08-09-2006 13:16 From: Allana Dion Another reason some people may charge 1L$, think of Yadni's. He sells boxes of dozens upon dozens of items for 1L$ for the entire box and he has land tier and other expenses to pay for. Given the amount of items a person gets in a box, I think it's reasonable to charge 1L$ for it to help offset expenses. True, but I'm sure Yandi profits more than what it costs for his land tier by selling the freebies of others.
Annah Zamboni Banannah Annah Join date: 2 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,022	08-09-2006 13:29 From: Venus Vaughan With YadNi's Place and the Mantabian place (I think that how you spell it )? they advertise not all freebies ... But when i go to a Store - or a desiner who are saying they are giving away freebees ,then when i get there , find out its not free it like from 1l -10l for this so called free bee --- I think about the Integerity of the person , and how honest they are ? Makes me feel that Hey! if they are going to be dishonest .. Then how much are they over changing for there stuff they make in the stores . I go around to see simular items Priced way less -- So thinking ok ! That designer has now made my black list and i won't Contuct or buy any of there Products .... Simplie as that ... Just to your rescearch just like with every thing else .... Iwont buy a anything before this ... it's all about Honesty! Got rip off ppl where ever you go ! V-girl As mentioned before, charging 1 L$ can help track people that buy multiple freebies who then turn around and resell the freebies for 100s of L$ to unsuspecting people. I think 1/3 of a cent is worth that little bit extra protection/warning. The people getting rich arnt the ones selling freebies for 1 L$, its the people reselling freebies for 100s of L$ each. If you black list a designer that took the time to make a "freebie" and sell it for $1 and think they are dishonest, then I think YOU need to do more research and find out who the dishonest people really are.
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	08-09-2006 13:30 I'm including L$1 items in SLBoutique.com's freebie list, because of the historical fact that previously to see the item in your account history and track sales, it had to cost an L$. Also, if we go with L$300 == US$1, then... YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT 1/3 OF ONE BLIMY CENT, OR 1/6 OF A FRICKIN' UK POUND! Think about that for a moment. Welcome aboard, Elinea - but please check the search on the forums, you'll find many threads like these (and escorts) have already occurred and been beaten to death. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Allana Dion Registered User Join date: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,230	08-09-2006 15:05 From: Ricky Zamboni Or perhaps when faced with an extreme case of your own example you are unable to logically support your gut-instinct repulsion to those who resell free items. Either way, no big deal. sigh It is because I have argued this so many times on these forums I am sick of the subject by now and bored with trying to explain to people who would rather stick to their own view. It's fine, see it any way you like and I will see it any way I like. From: Hank Ramos True, but I'm sure Yandi profits more than what it costs for his land tier by selling the freebies of others. Thats possible, I don't know what his bank account reads like. The most important thing he does is get permission from people, the items in his junkyard are for the most part, given to him by the creators. (as in my case) _____________________
Hugsy Penguin Sky Junkie Join date: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 851	08-09-2006 15:07 Another issue with selling "freebies" for L$1 is the difficulty that puts on people with no payment info on file. Forgetting about alts, griefers, kids, etc.. for the moment, you have people joining and wanting to check out what SL is all about before they spend any money on it. They get directed to a freebie location, but become frustrated because they still can't get anything (or very much) because they actually don't have even just 1 Linden. _____________________ -- Hugsy Penguin
Elinea Richard Owner of 7th Heaven Join date: 23 Oct 2005 Posts: 123	08-09-2006 15:10 The fact that both of my boredom threads (This one and the "Escort is a Prostitute" one) are still active brings a tear to my eye. ^_^ _____________________ Im bored. Im ready to quit doing whatever it is im pretending to do.

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