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People who ban unverifieds for no reason are lame-o's

Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-14-2006 08:57
From: Chronic Skronski
Ah, see... that is the problem right there, Summer.

Thou shalt not wander in second life.
Thou shalt not set foot on a blade of grass of the property between thee and thy destination.
If thy foot accidentally falleth on a unwelcoming stranger's lawn for a mere six seconds, thou shalt not just be pushed away, but actually teleported home
Thou shalt cease your exploration from here on, and only teleport from place to place.
Thou shalt cut off thy legs, as they are now useless
When noticing a particularly lovely build, thou shalt not approach, for fear of trespassing - for they do not forgiveth those who trespass against them.
Thou shalt not even fly over a large parcel on your way to your destination, or thou shalt be teleported home before you have time to get to the other side
Thou shalt not complain about being griefed by a security system
Thou shalt enjoy being bounced from one banned parcel to the other like an out of control pinball
Thou shalt "suck it up" as the land barons are much more important than you


By the way, I'd like you to stop by and hang out at my campfire anytime.



I like campfires. I want to sing some songs and feast on marshmellows. Thank you for the invite. :)
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Chronic Skronski
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Join date: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 997
07-14-2006 09:05
From: Summer Carmichael
I like campfires. I want to sing some songs and feast on marshmellows. Thank you for the invite. :)

Well, there sometimes is some live music, if I am up to playing. And I am searching for marshmellow roasting animations. :)
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Kerian Bunin
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Join date: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 141
07-14-2006 09:23
When the new land options regarding verified status came out, I was disappointed to not find a ban all but unverified option. :(
Cindy Claveau
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Join date: 16 May 2005
Posts: 2,008
07-14-2006 09:23
From: Summer Carmichael
Thanks for coming by the thread and adding your own noise which I hear as "Blah Blah Blah" (Charlie Brown teacher style)

I'm really sorry that reading big words is such a problem for you. But your reading skills are not my problem.

From: someone
Maybe it isn't delivered on a plate of boring tyypical drivel like some of your other threads. Everyone can participate in whatever threads they want, no one is forcing you to come open up a Summer Carmichael thread and moan in it.

Let's see - who started a whole thread with the juvenile term "lame-o" about the verification flags, and then finds out it wasn't the verification filter that ejected you from that parcel after all -- how's that whole hollow argument working out now?

From: someone
Sit yourself and your knotted up underwear back in your chair for one moment, think about the new resident experience. You want to be part of the solution? Create some compelling content and compell new residents to stay and enjoy, to get verified to get some cash to spend in your store (or whoever's store)

Let me get this straight, you're telling ME to create content? How much content have you created so far, exactly? And leave my panties out of this, it's only making you look childish.

From: someone
Banning people from your land who are unverified isn't part of any good solution that I've heard.

I agree that banning unverified's isn't a good solution. (Hey, whaddya know?) However, I have no compunctions about banning ignorant twits from my land. There just isn't a flag for that on their profile.

From: someone
Better yet, put some money in the money trees. They are always bare and they are hard to find. Between camping and money tree's it's hard to scrape up enough to have a profile picture. I guess I am going to have to find a good SL job. Is anyone hiring?

If you're serious about this, I have a notecard I put together from various personal experiences and other forum posts that outlines many ways to make money in SL. I'd gladly send you a copy if you want one. Just don't expect a used pair of panties along with it.
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Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-14-2006 09:28
From: Cindy Claveau
If you're serious about this, I have a notecard I put together from various personal experiences and other forum posts that outlines many ways to make money in SL. I'd gladly send you a copy if you want one. Just don't expect a used pair of panties along with it.


I know I can't expect them everytime and I imagine you may even be running low at this point.;) Thank you for setting my expectation. You got any used shoes in that bloated inventory of yours you want to rehome?

If you already have the notecard put together I'd love a copy. I also started a thread since I was going a bit off topic in here about job stuff. Thanks.
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
07-14-2006 09:45
From: Cindy Claveau
I agree that banning unverified's isn't a good solution. (Hey, whaddya know?) However, I have no compunctions about banning ignorant twits from my land. There just isn't a flag for that on their profile.


Wow, I'd so love it if there was a flag for that.

I agree with Cindy, the Lindens seriously botched this one up. Instead of giving us the means to actually deal with the situation they prematurely created, they gave us a nice caste system all rolled up into a simple little toggle. One that isn't being used on my land, as I do not like banning because by groups, but by individuals.


I understand open registration had to happen, but why didn't they give us the tools to handle it before they did it? 'Because we didn't know what we'd need,' was the response I got from Philip Linden. Not an acceptable answer, since as Cindy also stated, we could predict the outcome rather easily. So, why didn't they announce that they were making the change and ask us what we thought we'd need? We'd been asking for better security/anti-griefing tools for some time now.

So, anyone visited a Linden Sandbox that didn't resemble a battle field recently? I did.. but it was on the Preview grid....

Right now, all I want is the ability to disable/enable pushing on my avatar. I want control over my avatar, not some griefing idiot who thinks it's funny to play yo-yo with what I am supposed to have sole control over.
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Androclese Torgeson
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Join date: 11 May 2004
Posts: 144
07-14-2006 09:51
From: Summer Carmichael
I really don't like how I was just in a build and was tp'ed out of there in seconds due to being unverified. How lame, it sure changes my perception on what I had previously thought of the people who built this one build I am talking about.

I didn't even have enough time to , just tp myself out. I wandered into the build and then something dropped down telling me to leave, then poof I was "removed".

How stupid.


How not stupid.

I am only display prim statues on my mature land, so I have no need to ban anybody, there is nothing to buy and there is no adult material.

However, if I was in the sex/adult trades, I'd have those ban's on without question.

There is *no* way to tell whether you are a child who is just faking your age. Since you cannot prove your age to us, we are left to use the only tools available to us; ban everybody that cannot be verified.

I cannot speak for your experience or why the land you visited kicked you out, but the reasons I stated above, I don't have any problems with the current system. (it could be improved, but that is the subject of 100 other threads).
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Ryan00 Odets
just a stupid redneck!
Join date: 17 Dec 2005
Posts: 289
07-14-2006 10:14
From: Androclese Torgeson
There is *no* way to tell whether you are a child who is just faking your age. Since you cannot prove your age to us, we are left to use the only tools available to us; ban everybody that cannot be verified.


This is utter BS my 17 yr old cousin just recieved a VISABUXX card from his parents so he would have a CC to use for "EMERGANCY" uses. What is a VISABUXX card it is basically debit card that only allows you to use what money you have put on it. So now he can lie and join SL, get verified, and be considered a adult just because he is verified?

Another fine fleace blanket fix from LL!
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Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-14-2006 10:58
From: Androclese Torgeson
How not stupid.

I am only display prim statues on my mature land, so I have no need to ban anybody, there is nothing to buy and there is no adult material.

However, if I was in the sex/adult trades, I'd have those ban's on without question.

There is *no* way to tell whether you are a child who is just faking your age. Since you cannot prove your age to us, we are left to use the only tools available to us; ban everybody that cannot be verified.

I cannot speak for your experience or why the land you visited kicked you out, but the reasons I stated above, I don't have any problems with the current system. (it could be improved, but that is the subject of 100 other threads).



What have you done to "prove" you are not underage?
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Rebekah Wood
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 24
07-14-2006 11:05
Summer we should get together in-world and kick one back at The Elbow Room sometime, I'm getting testy about being accused of being your alt. =)
Banking Laws
Realty Serious
Join date: 14 Jun 2006
Posts: 602
07-14-2006 11:39
From: Summer Carmichael
I really seem to bring out the best in people.


Banned on mine as well.
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Rose Portocarrero
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Join date: 23 May 2004
Posts: 168
07-14-2006 11:51
From: ryan00 Odets
This is utter BS my 17 yr old cousin just recieved a VISABUXX card from his parents so he would have a CC to use for "EMERGANCY" uses. What is a VISABUXX card it is basically debit card that only allows you to use what money you have put on it. So now he can lie and join SL, get verified, and be considered a adult just because he is verified?

Another fine fleace blanket fix from LL!

I'm glad you mentioned VISA BUXX:

From the VISA BUXX website concerning the use of credit cards for age verification:

From: someone
Never provide your card number as proof of your age.
At times, some merchants have requested you provide them your credit card number as a proof of age. Never provide any of this information, as the card number does not validate an age.

http://www.visabuxx.com/moneytools/tools_ecommerce.cfm

You think Visa is the only one that feels that way?

This has been the policy of credit card companies since at LEAST 2001 when THIS lawyer wrote the Federal Trade Commission lobbying that Credit Cards are not a valid means of age verification.

From: someone
It is well known that credit card companies have, in the last several years, begun spending untold amounts of advertising dollars marketing credit and debit cards specifically to minors. For just one example, major branding campaigns are currently underway nationwide for the VISA BUXX card, the very purpose of which is to introduce minors to the use of credit cards.

The major card companies already expressly acknowledge that access to a credit card is not proof of majority.


Ginsu would have NEVER let LL remove credit cards as a means of age verification if he didn't already know that the credit card issuing companies themselves were making it policy to state unequivocally that it is NOT a means of age verification.

A lot of people are going to do more harm to SL then anything Plastic Duck ever did when it comes to new member retention and strained and fractured community relationships.

Way to go Linden Labs.
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Summer Carmichael
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07-14-2006 12:01
From: Banking Laws
Banned on mine as well.


What for? Not that I even know where your land is anyway, but now I'm looking it up.
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Banking Laws
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Join date: 14 Jun 2006
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07-14-2006 12:32
From: Summer Carmichael
What for? Not that I even know where your land is anyway, but now I'm looking it up.


For trolling and because its my land and its my right.
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Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-14-2006 12:35
From: Banking Laws
For trolling and because its my land and its my right.


That is such a cop out, you forgot to call me an alt too.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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07-14-2006 12:36
Someone called "Banking Laws" is hardly likely to complain about alts.
Snark Serpentine
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Join date: 12 Aug 2003
Posts: 379
07-14-2006 12:36
From: Kerian Bunin
When the new land options regarding verified status came out, I was disappointed to not find a ban all but unverified option. :(

This joke is not getting nearly enough love.
Banking Laws
Realty Serious
Join date: 14 Jun 2006
Posts: 602
07-14-2006 12:40
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Someone called "Banking Laws" is hardly likely to complain about alts.


< Jonas
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Banking Laws
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07-14-2006 12:43
From: Summer Carmichael
That is such a cop out, you forgot to call me an alt too.


Really? Its not a copout when I find your attitude and presence to be disgusting and completely undesirable at any height on my land. I was being polite and not sayin it directly: I don't like you and want you nowhere near anything I own.
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Summer Carmichael
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Join date: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
07-14-2006 12:53
Soooo, I guess our date for tonight is off?
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Ryan00 Odets
just a stupid redneck!
Join date: 17 Dec 2005
Posts: 289
07-14-2006 13:11
Off topic for a minute. can somebody explain to me what a forum troll is? I mean if its somebody that scans the different subjects to find one to put their two cents in or maybe give some insight on a certain subject, then arent we all trolls?

Back on topic I went to the place Summer is banned from and yes she was incorrect it wanst a land ban but a security orb bouncing her. As she stated earlier so far no reason has been given to her from the owner. But accroding to some of the people here she has the right to report it and DEMAND a reason for it. Right?

Before you guys Ban me from your land and your places of business for appearing to be on her side. I agree with her about people being lame and using the ban unverified to"protect" themselves from the underage kids but read up to my last post and the following post. But if she did something to offend or piss you off be a adult and tell her what she did so maybe, just maybe, she can understand why shes getting tped home. And yes I know some of you have explained and this isnt directed at you.
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Kris Ritter
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07-14-2006 13:16
From: ryan00 Odets
Off topic for a minute. can somebody explain to me what a forum troll is?


Me. (And yes, anyone is very welcome to ban me from your land for that or any other reason you wish with the tools you have been provided, as is your right! Except Neph. Obviously.)
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Banking Laws
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07-14-2006 13:18
From: ryan00 Odets
Off topic for a minute. can somebody explain to me what a forum troll is? I mean if its somebody that scans the different subjects to find one to put their two cents in or maybe give some insight on a certain subject, then arent we all trolls?

Back on topic I went to the place Summer is banned from and yes she was incorrect it wanst a land ban but a security orb bouncing her. As she stated earlier so far no reason has been given to her from the owner. But accroding to some of the people here she has the right to report it and DEMAND a reason for it. Right?

Before you guys Ban me from your land and your places of business for appearing to be on her side. I agree with her about people being lame and using the ban unverified to"protect" themselves from the underage kids but read up to my last post and the following post. But if she did something to offend or piss you off be a adult and tell her what she did so maybe, just maybe, she can understand why shes getting tped home. And yes I know some of you have explained and this isnt directed at you.


A good example is one who posts -just- to inflame threads, or posts the same crap day in, day out. The land and economy has a good example, but I can't name names.
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Ryan00 Odets
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Join date: 17 Dec 2005
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07-14-2006 13:25
From: Banking Laws
A good example is one who posts -just- to inflame threads, or posts the same crap day in, day out. The land and economy has a good example, but I can't name names.


Has the lindens made a "official" definition on what they call trolling? I am just trying to figure this out.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-14-2006 13:26
From: Banking Laws
< Jonas

We've been here before then - you ban everybody anyway!
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