People who ban unverifieds for no reason are lame-o's

With so many people saying cc are difficult maybe LL may consider another method fo verifying people through other forms of Id, might take a longer process but is an option for some.


And..


Was that really necessary?

Zoe I have been wanting to acknowledge my appreciation for your very objective and concise posts. Especially when
people seem to be floundering about with some knotty
problem and you swoop in and cast it a clear light of reason.
Sincerly

And you have done so once again in this thread. Causing me to want to clarify my own position on this hot topic.

I do not advocate discrimination of any kind. My "get verified"
artwork and t-shirts, sig, etc are intended to be the best
advice for the responsible new person.

Wait let me amend the above statement.
There are forms of discrimination that almost all responsible and ethical adults advocate and that is age and ethical discrimination. Sure the system never did completely work
to screen out these people, nor does it now.
But I believe the current system is intended as a benign form
of discrimination rather than prejudicial, allowing for some modicum of protection for long time invested residents of SL
that is offered due to the lack of other viable tools.

Sure some people do not have CC's or the necessary cred to
get a PayPal account.
And since there really is no way to discern who is a responsible adult from a minor or a person with malicious
intent other than credit rating, or if they make friends and have interactions with others over a period of time.
I they are unwilling to make friends with people in SL or RL
that may be something to make a note of.
If a person is not able to get verified due to some set of unfortunate circumstances of their own, then a person with friends that "trust" them would most likely be willing to help them get verified. If a person does not have any friends that
trust them in RL why should they be automatically given
that level of respect in SL?

Anyway that is the reasoning that I understand for encouraging new people to get verified. To separate themselves from those who really are minors, griefers..etc.

The difficulty with foriegn CC's poses a new light on the whole
issue. What about Money Orders in combination with PayPal?
Would that work?


My Headquarters is in a PG area, if you are unverified come
get your HQ Freebie Pack= 7 shirts w original artwork, (except for the "Being Digital T-shirt" plus original artwork.

Plus an unverified person wearing a "Get Verified" t shirt is a
wonderful irony dont you think?

For no reason, its stupid, but I have a reason.

Jonas, you don't allow ANYONE, though, so it doesn't count.

Best.

Comeback.

EVER.

Of course not Except you. But your clothing is banned.

Most people can, Summer, just not those who get on the ban list. This has nothing to do with being unverified. This is the last I'll say about this in a public forum.

Since I don't know you, and I've never been to your property maybe I drew the wrong conclusion. Why was I teleported away?

Check my edit to my post.

I have not and don't believe I would, ban on the basis of payment status......HOWEVER......

Many folks, including myself have been seeing an increase in griefing recently, and fair or not, a lot of the blame has been placed on the open registration.

So I can't and won't blame someone for deciding to use the tools now provided to protect themselves. It just sucks that it's necessary.

And it's a small number of fools who are mucking it up for folks like you, who are without a doubt the vast vast majority. But that has ever been the case, a select few can severely limit the freedoms of the majority because of thier stupidity, in RL as well as SL

Ty.. BTW we didnt ask for comments from the peanut gallery!

ok. I sent you a message ingame, I'd like to know.

If you want to complain about being disciminated against, complain to the griefers. They brought this upon us...

I manage a club in SL, and there isn't a day that goes by without us being attacked by some numbskul that thinks it's cool to spoil other people's fun.

A LOT of my guests are on unverified accounts, so I really dont want to have to resort to banning them as well, but if there's a griefer alt in the club shooting at people every ten minutes, I will have no choice then to do that, or close down the club entirely...

The land owners are with their back to the wall, so please... don't be angry at *us*. Complain to griefers, or LL to install some sort of identity verification.

Well, I'm walking around naked already... sheesh.

(I love my new skin. Lost, you rock.)

Up to you Jack, the few times I've been griefed, its been by verified accounts not unverified.
So yes it is social stratification, whether you like it or not.
Funnily enough, sice 06/06/06, I've not been griefed once on my land.

Since I don't like trolls.

And since you are tolling. I have personally added you to all my group land's ban lists.

You being tp'ed out by a security orb has nothing to do with your unverified troll status.

YOU ARE BANNED

It's a tool we've been given to help combat griefing. And for those that have seen a rise in griefing from unverified accounts, it's not for 'no reason'. Why should we cripple SL for ourselves and our friends by turning off scripting and building on our land, or setting auto return to every minute or so? So the simple solution, if not a perfect one... get rid of the people who are making up the majority of new griefers.

Want to participate? Get verified.

Or just bitch about the injustice of it all, of course.

Pssh, you are such a lame-o, Kritter

Classic!

Zoe, before I comment on your other remarks, let me say that this is the nail on the head. I was one of the staunchest voices against opening up the registration at first. Now that I've seen the numbers of unverified residents and interacted with them, I understand that the problem isn't the unverified people. The problem is that LL has yet to give us the tools to cope with the bad stuff that came bundled with the changes, specifically griefers & underage kids (the exact problem we predicted would crop up). And the land tool toggle is NOT a good tool for this.


Let's be fair. Some of those against the verification flag/land ban option are also using inapplicable words like "discrimination" and even making references to Anti-Semitism, which is utter bullshit. This is not some kind of cause for social justice. This is an enforcement problem - one that LL has botched pretty badly.

Even the person who started this thread and called it "lame-o" turns out to be a victim of her own trolling and got hit with a parcel ban stick, not a verification exclusion - oopsie

This thread only adds to the noise level on this board when what we really need is more serious discussion and ideas about ways to cope with the two really serious issues - griefing and underage - without excluding non-US residents who have a tougher time getting credit cards. We need solutions, not noise.

Cindy's posts never cease to amaze me. Don't always agree with her views but the method in which she puts forth her arguments almost tugs at you to agree ^.^

I really seem to bring out the best in people.

Ah, see... that is the problem right there, Summer.

Thou shalt not wander in second life.
Thou shalt not set foot on a blade of grass of the property between thee and thy destination.
If thy foot accidentally falleth on a unwelcoming stranger's lawn for a mere six seconds, thou shalt not just be pushed away, but actually teleported home
Thou shalt cease your exploration from here on, and only teleport from place to place.
Thou shalt cut off thy legs, as they are now useless
When noticing a particularly lovely build, thou shalt not approach, for fear of trespassing - for they do not forgiveth those who trespass against them.
Thou shalt not even fly over a large parcel on your way to your destination, or thou shalt be teleported home before you have time to get to the other side
Thou shalt not complain about being griefed by a security system
Thou shalt enjoy being bounced from one banned parcel to the other like an out of control pinball
Thou shalt "suck it up" as the land barons are much more important than you


By the way, I'd like you to stop by and hang out at my campfire anytime.

Thanks for coming by the thread and adding your own noise which I hear as "Blah Blah Blah" (Charlie Brown teacher style)

Maybe it isn't delivered on a plate of boring tyypical drivel like some of your other threads. Everyone can participate in whatever threads they want, no one is forcing you to come open up a Summer Carmichael thread and moan in it.

Sit yourself and your knotted up underwear back in your chair for one moment, think about the new resident experience. You want to be part of the solution? Create some compelling content and compell new residents to stay and enjoy, to get verified to get some cash to spend in your store (or whoever's store) Banning people from your land who are unverified isn't part of any good solution that I've heard.

Better yet, put some money in the money trees. They are always bare and they are hard to find. Between camping and money tree's it's hard to scrape up enough to have a profile picture. I guess I am going to have to find a good SL job. Is anyone hiring?

One resident early on was dismissive to me because I didn't have a profile picture. Obviously without a profile picture I was a problem.

I've now met certain qualifiers that other "verified" residents have. Maybe the next step is indeed a SL job.