People who ban unverifieds for no reason are lame-o's

I really don't like how I was just in a build and was tp'ed out of there in seconds due to being unverified. How lame, it sure changes my perception on what I had previously thought of the people who built this one build I am talking about.

I didn't even have enough time to , just tp myself out. I wandered into the build and then something dropped down telling me to leave, then poof I was "removed".

How stupid.

Yea it does suck. If i wish to buy mature rated items for my alt's, and its in a mall thats restricted like that, i have to either sign them to my paypal account or contact the creator and ask to buy the item for another person. :/

get your account to the status 2 (payment info on file)

itsnot like if it was hard to fo

Personally, I agree with you. I will not restrict my properties by verification status. However, in the short time I've been on vacation (less than a week), my in world SO, his son and gf, have been griefed multiple times in what has previously been a very quiet sim. I'm very saddened by this.

I have them doing what I maintain must continue to be done by every resident griefed: AR and then get on live help to see if a Linden is available to do something *now*.

Such incidents are why folks are taking such prejudicial steps as to ban unverifieds from their lots. Griefing, scamming... many will pay the price for the evil doings of, what I hope in the goodness of my heart, is a minority.

I also refuse to install a security system in my home. I know how to sit on a prim and ignore the offenders while AR'ing and calling for a Linden. I have a great deal of patience and I'm not above commenting on what the griefer might be compensating for while I take those steps. No Linden and its my land? Ok, I'll freeze them, send them home and ban them.

I'm truly sorry for your experience. Know you are always welcome in my mall (Pando Square), at my home sales lots (SkyBeam), etc.

Char

It's like you can't go to any of the builds around the Braunworth infohub without being griefed by a security orb.

Not the point.....It is plain and simple discrimanation and plain rude. I have a Alt that I dont want to give CC info on because I shouldnt have to just to wander aimlessly around with out gettin im'd hey gimmie a tp here and whos the next dj, or whats the event!

But...as it goes we pushed for tools and this is what we got...like it or not.

so the mindset is, lets refuse to show any accountability in sl so we can claim we are martyrs?
when i joined sl the credit card was forced upon us, it wasn't an option, LL decided to put in the landowner hand the right to decide if they want to consider theyr are off limit to trial accounts (because lets say it honestly, an account with no info on file related to his owner is that, a trial.)

Someone isn't right or wrong to put his land on ban everybody nor he is right or wrong to accept or refuse you based on your account details

if you wanna do your rebel and refuse obstinately a 30 seconds operation so you can act as a martyr, then good luck for you.

Its like the peoples that pride themself of being successfull in SL on a basic account

I refuse to ban people based on verification status.
Its discrimination based on some half assed notion of a social status.
I despise social stratification.

Kyrah, not everyone has multiple CCs to ensure all their avatars can be verified, and since they still limit accounts to two per CC...

Well.

You really have no clue do you? You do understand that many people around the world can NOT get verified so easily because LL and the company that does their billing will not accept many foreign CC, right? You get this, right? Not a hard concept to understand. THAT is why LL opened up registration this way...because many people who wanted to play just could not at all under the old system. It has ZERO to do with easy or accountability. It has to do with access and incompatible billing practices around the world.

I have friends from many countries, and more than one of them have had their CC's refused by LL. It took a friend of mine from Germany almost a year to get a CC through Switzerland that LL would accept because they wouldn't take his German CC.

Oversimplifying this issue the way you and so many others have been doing is what really gets to me. You want to believe things are so bloody black and white in life...when guess what...they aren't.

Just because we do not want to get a credit card, and do not have a phone with text message capability does not mean that we should be treated as second class citizens.

Pisses me off greatly.

People who say lame-o are lame-o.



err, wait.

Shhhh.

We're getting way into name calling on what should be a calm rational discussion.

Not everyone in the whole wide world can provide acceptable payment information to have payment on file and/or be verified. That's a very simple fact that us United States folks just have to wrap our little heads around. SL is based in the US but it is a *global* platform and as such we have to think in *global* terms.

Maybe that means that LL needs to have a broader spectrum of payment options, dunno, can't speculate. My business experience doesn't include global transactions so I can't guess at what is involved in being globally positioned for accepting payment.

The vocal few, and make no mistake, those of us vocal on the forums are the *few*, cried for a way to remove unverifieds as presumed griefers from our land without waiting for them to prove themselves to be griefers. We got it.

Its ugly. Its prejudicial. It goes against everything I believe in. Its not supporting 'freedom'. Its not 'open minded'. Its not 'understanding' or 'patient' or 'kind'. Its not warm-hearted and its not gracious and its not 'innocent until proven guilty'. And, frankly, it will probably just spur the griefers on. My god, what an impact they have on the face of SL without even doing anything! They have a whole class of folks being banned from places! Talk about grief!!!!

I cried out against open registration until I'd processed the *why* correctly. I stand corrected. But I can't say I'm for branding people. Scarlet letter. Yellow armband with a Star of David on it. Whatever you want to liken it to, its *wrong*. But we asked for it (I'll include myself since I'm on the forums) and we have it. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT and I for one refuse to discriminate via this 'tool'.

Char

Aren't Lame-Os a generic Cheerios knockoff?

Anyway, until I get a good enough reason or no reason at all, I will not ban any "Unverifieds". It also helps to set your land for no outside scripts.

It has nothing to do with social stratification. For me, the segment of my land that's set for verrified accounts only is a pure anti-griefer tactic, nothing more, nothing less.

The section of land that's set that way is where my neighbors and I have been getting griefed *daily* by people using unverified accounts. This in a place where I'd only had incidents on four occasions in the previous year prior to 6-6-06.

It's not about newbies or anything like that, it's very much about what's likely a small group of asshats who are using unverified alts as a way to grief.

Maybe if the hash banning by LL works, they'll be able to get a handle on this and then I'll be able to shut it off again. Until then though it stays on as a matter of pure self defense.

None of the other MMOs I've played allowed people to create an unlimited number of characters for free. What is especially bad in this game is that you can create a character fully capable of high level griefing in minutes. Level systems and equipment level limits in other games make this impossible.

At most, other games have offered limited free trial periods and still required some form of verification.

Allowing a person into what is most definately an adults only area, knowing that they could be anyone of any age, would be irresponsible at the least.

I know, kids can use their parent's credit card. The response to that is that if kids are using an adults credit card to create an adult age avatar - it's the parent's problem - not the land owner's.

The status group you belong to is definately the most likely to cause problems in this game. (see the rant post on the griefer that created over twenty different accounts to continue griefing an individual). It is not discrimination - it's just logical to limit risk - especially when the potentail risk so outweighs the potential gain.

Expecting people to absorb unnecessary risk because you choose, for whatever reason, not to at least provide enough information to get to a verified status is unrealistic.

I have sympathy for those that cannot verify due to country or whatever, but I have no sympathy for those that can verify but choose not to do it.

It's my belief that, like the majority of other games, nobody should have access to full content without at least providing some verification information. In addition, this game allows you full access (as will most land owners) without even paying anything.

It is completely reasonble for land owners to limit a status group that is just as likely to be some random 13 year old Bart Simpson that wants to blow things up and make the virtual equivilent of loud fart noises as it is a reasonable adult exploring the game.

Don't you have homework for summer school?

You know, I have an unverified account. I just didn't see the point. All I want is to play a "game" and have fun. There are benefits to becoming verified, so I am considering it...especially because of these restrictions in place, and I have a bad SL addiction I have to feed...

I had so many idiots shooting up my place and customers it's small wonder I don't do it.

Then again if I do or don't thats my decision and if folks think thats 'lame'.... well.... stiff shit.

I was under the impression that there was no way to tell through a script if you're verified or not, so the only way to keep away unverified accounts is with the land ban tools...which will look like normal ban lines.

So...you almost certainly did *not* get tped home because you were unverified, you just got tped home.

The limit on alts through CC's should indeed be raised considering the recent changes should really be raised. The only reason I could think of currently for keeping the limits down is to keep people from farming premium accounts for below market cost $L and first land.

If that's the reason for it though, then put the cap on premium accounts, not verified accounts.

I don't believe that for one second. Visa, Mastercard and American express are recognized worldwide. Why can't those who claim that their card is not accepted by LL get one that is? Even if they get a card just to get registered in SL? I can use my Mastercard to buy cheap souvenirs in a back alley in the Philippines, so I think the "they don't accept my card" excuse is flimsy...

Is this code for you wanting me to drop by in that school girls outfit again?

Dear lord - comparing this whole issue with Nazi Germany is a little extreme... I think a truer analogy is RL Bars - are they particular unjust if they card someone and they don't have any form of ID so they don't allow them to enter?

But still, I am not sure why there is so much debate over this - it is pretty straight and dry:

Choice A: Turn the tool on to keep out a higher percentage of kids, griefers, potential court time, and yes, some perfectly fine folks who are too lazy too, don't want to, or perhaps are unable to provide account information.

OR

Choice B: Don't use the tool and be all neighborly but accept the increase risk involved letting anyone and everyone go by.

This is the wonderful thing about SL - there is choice. Why does do people feel the need to preach and use analogies that completely blow the situation out of proportion? If you are upset because you cannot go in somewhere because of the choice of the landowner, you have the choice of either 1) Provide a CC (even if you have to get one) or 2) realize that is just life.

LMAO.