Advertising as HArrassment

Thanks Kelli I'm not fan of the signs either. The point I've tried to make in all of this (which may be moot now) is that no matter how this issue is approached it goes way beyond just these signs. It's easy to get tunnel vision when sufficiently annoyed by something, and I can certainly understand the annoyance, but I (and many others) have tried to get people to look at the bigger picture. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here.

The orginal whiner and complainer in this thread is off his rocker..lol Chip's right and it's exactly what he did. He complained and harassed about one rotating cube that WAS moved twice when it was first complained about. This guy's land is on a hill....Sunny Designs is at the foot of the hill, across the road! I've looked and still dont' see any freaking view either..lol He continually harassed both myself and Sunny, with not only complaints but threats, until rather than just ignoring him, I reported him. He needs to get a hobby or a skill in SL cuz he's got far too much time on his hands.

There are also other residents in Clearwing he's harassed as you can see from the signs that advertise his harassment by other residents...lol

The issue with builds erected on small lots all over the grid is quite interesting.
As I understand one is allowed to build on ones land what one want, but there is also another side.
I think one would need to know the motive. If someone makes builds and finds them importnat for some reason and that is the reason for doing so; I do not see they are against the TOS, BUT if one do something with the only reason to annoy and destroy someone elses gameplay; I do not see why it would not be againt the TOS.

In the case of Bush guy, Lindenlab has chosen the first option, so I guess we have to live with it. Personally I do not belive those signs has any other purpose than griefing, but I might be wrong.

hi finn, it looks like LL has rethunk their option. We'll see what they come up with.

-J

We need a court system that holds some power in SL.
With a judge bench and an audience section. So we can all have our drama right in SL

Hmm. SL Lawyers.

Hmm, could the trials be held in Jessie?

I know this post is late in the game and this thread is close to dead.. but I feel I had to respond.
I am also one of the so called sign harrassers. The person who started this thread did not nicely ask me to move my sign, he rudely told me I should take down my sign. Then proceeded criticize and degrade the objects on my land. I realize that I am a beginner builder and have not yet reached "Prim Poet" status. I am trying and my skills are slowly developing. My sign was not intended to "harrass" this individual in the least. It was to get some business and lindens to enjoy my SL experience. It seems he feels he can decide what is "good taste" and what is not. What should be placed in our sim and not. I dont remember there being a vote to elect him Officer of the Bad taste police. Seems he has decided to take this office on his own. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you dont like it... then dont look. And keep your rude comments to yourself. The ironic part is that his original profile statement complained about the very thing he has been doing to his neighbors. Since then he has changed it and now wants to battle all the neighbors signs. Im sure he would have not been so nice if I had told him that I felt his things were trash and should be removed from his property. After having words with this individual, I did indeed ban him from my land. He feels my things are beneath his level of good taste so he had no business there anyway. Of course once he noticed, he again preceeded to trash me and my things again.

If you really are a beginner, you might look into purchasing First Land to start your business; you'll get more land for less than buying a 16sqm parcel at standard rates.

I did indeed purchase first land, and have expanded in order to build my house, practice my building and sell what I could. But sadly, they did not conform to HIS idea of good taste... therefore he feels he can harrass me by telling me to take down my sign, and by criticizing my projects.

Good for you for not allowing yourself to be bullied. Thanks for giving your side of the story. It's pretty much what I expected and it's exactly the can of worms that people aren't considering in these debates.

Now this is ironic.. seems the person who placed the original post about signs being harrassing has no problems with walls as harrassment. The group he founded has purchased a large piece of land directly in front of my property. He has since built a wall to block my view. Now I know what some of you might say... How do I know its to harrass me? Well, this wall is directly in front of my land ONLY even though the land extends much farther to the side. Second, the original wall had a forest scene texture on it. I decided to work with it. I place more trees out, put out my swing, picnic table and a nice little campfire. It looked great. Gave me a nice place to sit and chat with my freinds. Well I dont think he was pleased that I actually was enjoying it. Now there is a second wall, a big black wall to block my view of the original one!!!! He complained about my one 8x8 prim advertizing my sale and now I have a wall (make that 2!) made of 6 10x10 prims and 2 more little ones on the side to make sure he covered the entire width of my land, right in front of me.

Prop 905!

Roxsa and her partner are good neighbours of mine in clearwing, none of the original posters comments refered to 16m plots, the smallest plot there is 512 m.
youve been sidetracked by the development of this thread, as it meandered and became yet another "bush guy thread".

Not all threads are about the bush guy.

Since when is advertising a "YARD SALE" a form of harassment? The only forms of harassment I have seen is: IM's using racial slurs, name calling, demeaning & belittleing someones character and their hard work of building.


She stated in an earlier post that she moved it twice and was still harassed. But the fact remains that he was never nice to me OR my partner and our sign was not even close to
his property.


You define INTENTIONAL HARASSMENT as being banned? LOL! The reason you are being banned is because of persistently and incessantly bothering people into thinking the way you think and build according to your DEMANDS. No one gets banned by asking someone nicely to move a sign.


Isn't it funny how the OP seems to have problems with several different people? Yet the OP claims HE is the one being harassed. I guess everyone in this sim is "just out to get him" and seeks him out for us all to harass.



The reason it is "difficult to prove malicious intent" is because there IS NO malicious intent.
Manipulating people is not the answer to solving problems. If there had been a friendly request followed by some sort of compromise we all would not be here talking about this.
He is destroying my rightful enjoyment by harassing me, THIS IS NOT MALICIOUS INTENT?



Our 8X8 yard sale sign in the sky was NOT over a parcel where no one lives. We live and sell stuff on our own land.
I say if this person wants things his way then buy an island similar to "Dreamland" where you CAN dictate what is being built and protect your view.

i am aware that this thread is almost wore itself out, but being the one initially singled out by the starter of this thread i feel i should at least say my part...

i was im'd about 5 times to move my sunny designs cube as it blocked his view, and although the first msg was polite, the ensuing 4 were not... however i did move it higher as per his request... then i got another msg, the person behind him built something he didn't like so he raised his house, and asked me again to move my sign higher, i did not want it higher, so i msged him and told him i will move it lower and to the left but i do not want to raise is higher and stated this was the last time i would move it....

we did have a yard sale, the yard sale sign was only up for 24 hrs.. and yes he did call live help and they did chat with us... during the chat we were told we were NOT in violation of TOS as he claims he was told....

from his original post, sorry this is my first time posting on the forum... i have no idea how the rest of you are reposting previous quotes:
I have filed an abuse report at the suggestion of a Live Helper who visited ,saw the signage,and agreed it seemed a TOS violation.

he has threatened us, and in response he was banned from our land and muted.. and i have the original im's to prove that he did so, he did msg my one partner and told her i should behave myself and that he doesnt' get mad he gets even...

also i'd like to point out that the sign he dislikes so much was up when he purchased his land so he knew it was there, and the land the sign is on is across protected land and much lower than his....

so far my other partner has chosen not to respond, but he has been similarily rude to her as well, stating that this is residential neighbourhood and she should not allow me use of her land...

so far he is the only one who has ever complained to me about my sign, and he has admitted to me he complains about the other signs as well, i'll allow you to make your own judgements

sunny