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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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05-04-2006 11:04
From: Unhygienix Gullwing Ah, an inherent right. Here we get into a very fun area.... explicit vs implicit rights.
I'll submit it's possible you do have this right to privacy, but I fear that there's no way of knowing whether you do until it's either stated explicitly by your nation's (N'burg) documents, or upheld by a trial case where the right was extended or interpreted by your SC.
How far does your right to privacy extend, Kendra? Do I get in trouble if I was alt-zooming to look into your house while you were trying on clothes? Or only if I took photos? Or only if I distributed them? Or does your right to privacy only extend to things that could tie your SL existence to a RL identity? How far does the N'burg law reach beyond the bounds of SL? Does it protect your RL privacy as well?
Does it protect your UUID from unauthorized harvesting or distribution? I'd say in that case that Ulrika may have violated N'burg law in quite a big way, particularly if she also violated the privacy of a large chunk of SL, all of whose Univeral Human Rights are held dear by Neualtenburg I'm one of those funny people that doesn't think an avatar is a real identity. So --yes --I'm talking about my RL identity. |
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Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 728
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05-04-2006 11:04
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Listen folks. I want to make it unambiguously clear, that I have absolutely no desire to return to this project formally. It suffers from institutionalized pirating, ineffective judges, illegal trials, and back-door politicking. The core of the project has become a bickering clique that is more interested in exercising power, avoiding blame, and taking credit then seeing justice done or following the rules of the government to the letter. I see the forum fragmenting. I see bills popping up for vote that did not have the benefit of public scrutiny. I see RA meetings scheduled at odd times that deny people their voice. I see empty seats that marginalize factions. There's alts pestering people in forums. Judges themselves are implicated in crimes. Communcations go unanswered.
Many of you have forgotten about justice, fairness, honesty, responsibility, truth, honor, and commitment (to name a few). Until you place these principles ahead of your personal desires, the city will continue to languish. Do you need guidance? Do what I did. Admit honestly where you broke the law (either intentionally or unintentionally) and try to provide restitution. Admit where the rules were bent to satisfy your own needs and bend them back. Stop focusing so intently on exclusion and work on inclusion.
My only goal now is to make sure the next set of governmental projects don't go the way of this one.
~Ulrika~
P.S.- This is a very rare rhetorical work from me. Typically I'm very logical, however today you caught me in an artsy mood. Ulrika, considering your own forum signature: "I, Ulrika Zugzwang, having recognized that the economic, temporal, and emotional costs associated with my participation in SL have exceeded my family's threshold, swear upon hitting the "Submit Reply" button to walk away from SL (and similar virtual worlds), its forums, and email permanently." (given back in January, I think?) ....I don't think folks are likely to believe you, no matter how unambiguous your statement is. |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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05-04-2006 11:06
From: Unhygienix Gullwing ....I don't think folks are likely to believe you, no matter how unambiguous your statement is. I posted that in the wrong thread and it was deleted before I saw your reply. ~Ulrika~
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Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 728
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05-04-2006 11:08
From: Kendra Bancroft I'm one of those funny people that doesn't think an avatar is a real identity.
So --yes --I'm talking about my RL identity. How then is Neualtenburg to deal with the next avatar who claims that their UUID privacy is inherently a right of theirs (because they didn't have to publicly disclose it when they joined N'burg)? Different folks have different opinions on what their "rights" are. I think it's more sensible to say "If it's written down, then it's your right", and challenge those folks who feel slighted to submit bills for changing the laws. |
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Unhygienix Gullwing
I banged Pandastrong
Join date: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 728
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05-04-2006 11:09
From: Ulrika Zugzwang I posted that in the wrong thread and it was deleted before I saw your reply.
~Ulrika~ Sorry. Should I stalk you over to the proper place and impugn your credibility over there?  And: ARE YOU STILL MODERATING in here? |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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05-04-2006 11:25
From: Unhygienix Gullwing And: ARE YOU STILL MODERATING in here? Yes. I can moderate as my government alt.  Kidding. Anyone has the ability to delete their own threads.~Ulrika~
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
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05-04-2006 13:35
From: Kendra Bancroft
It is my right as a citizen not to have my IP tracked if I do not wish. That an area where legislative functions and business of the Government are being discussed where I cannot have input unless I reveal personal information to a peer and partisan entity is troubling to me and cause for far more than "trivial" concern.
Then don't use the forum, nor the wiki. No skin off my nose.
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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05-04-2006 13:44
From: Aliasi Stonebender Then don't use the forum, nor the wiki. No skin off my nose. Don't use the Sim that I pay roughly 1/4 of the monthly fee on if you don't wish to recognize the Government. No skin off my nose. |
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,648
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05-04-2006 15:08
From: Kendra Bancroft I'm aware of what standard BB's do, Dianne.
Up until now, however, the only people with access to our IPs has been Linden Labs.
I think that it places an interesting set of powers into a single citizen. Basically giving Aliasi --an avowed enemy of the state - access to information that even true citizens of Neualtenburg to do not have access to.
It is my right as a citizen not to have my IP tracked if I do not wish. That an area where legislative functions and business of the Government are being discussed where I cannot have input unless I reveal personal information to a peer and partisan entity is troubling to me and cause for far more than "trivial" concern. Well funnily enough I agree with you about not wanting to have your IP tracked. I have been involved with (the victim of), several "stalking" incidents both in RL and in SL and am very protective of my privacy. I am one of the few Canadians I know that has some very serious weaponry under my bed "just in case."  I would support an attempt to atually write such a right into the constitution as a matter of fact. The reason I said what I said though is that I brought this issue up on the forums before and got no support and was told pretty much what I told you.  So I guess I decided to live with it, but if you want to make a big noise about it I will stand behind you 100%. Seriously. I brought it up in connection with those people who have signatures that read your IP and display it in their signature on the forums which is not really a security issue, but just plain damn rude. I also brought it up in connection with our election in Neualtenburg when it turned out that the election official was reading and recording everyones IP. Thats how the "irregularity" or "cheating" whatever it was that was thought was happening was determined. (It later turned out to be nothing of the sort of course and resulted in a forced breach of personal information for the two citizens concerned). Just in case anyone doesn't know, when you use many SL devices (a radio specifically for example), it has access to your IP number. One of my "stalking" incidents in SL was an absolute jerk who used a radio script to snag my IP while I was over at his house and then did research on me to "prove I was who I said I was." Lo and behold it turned out I *was* the RL person I claimed to be, but I think it's a pretty low down dirty scoundrle-lish of a thing to do. If I wasn't such a N00b at the time I would have AR'ed the guy. |
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
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05-04-2006 15:59
From: Kendra Bancroft Don't use the Sim that I pay roughly 1/4 of the monthly fee on if you don't wish to recognize the Government. No skin off my nose. Difference. I ALSO pay part of the monthly fee. You don't pay for my web server.
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,422
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05-04-2006 16:13
From: Kendra Bancroft Don't use the Sim that I pay roughly 1/4 of the monthly fee on if you don't wish to recognize the Government. No skin off my nose. I'm not sure you recognize the government. I asked if you respect the authority of the SC, I'm still waiting on that one. You have also suggested you are set apart with Altenburg, and can declare your decision to secede at any time, if you don't like how things are going. That sets a bad precedent, because others will surely feel they have the same right, regardless of lot size. Either you are under the direction of this government while using this sim, or you aren't. I'm not trying to be contrary, I just think that if this experiment is to succeed, people have to give up certain rights they would have on the mainland. And one of those rights is sovereignty over ones land. I have willingly entered into an agreement to abide by the dictates of the government. Or I can go elsewhere. |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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05-04-2006 23:20
From: Kevn Klein I'm not sure you recognize the government. I asked if you respect the authority of the SC, I'm still waiting on that one.
You have also suggested you are set apart with Altenburg, and can declare your decision to secede at any time, if you don't like how things are going. That sets a bad precedent, because others will surely feel they have the same right, regardless of lot size. Either you are under the direction of this government while using this sim, or you aren't.
I'm not trying to be contrary, I just think that if this experiment is to succeed, people have to give up certain rights they would have on the mainland.
And one of those rights is sovereignty over ones land. I have willingly entered into an agreement to abide by the dictates of the government. Or I can go elsewhere. I recognize the authority of the SC to interpret the Constitution --I don't recognize their authority to goovern my own opinions. Do you? Any one with private land may take their belongings with them. I claim no special right. I am most certainly apart of this Government and recognize it's reality. Aliasi does not --yet you seem to be okay with that. why? Being a part of Neualtenburg does not grant the City the rights to my private intellectual property, Kevn. I really wish you would educate yourself more about our Government before expounding on it. I am of the opinion right now that Altenburg should become a haven for Constitutional loyalists. |
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Pelanor Eldrich
Let's make a deal...
Join date: 8 Feb 2006
Posts: 267
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Aliasi owns her webserver, Kendra does not own Neualtenburg...
05-05-2006 15:57
Therefore until Aliasi's citizenship is taken away by the SC for an offence, she has all the rights and priviliges of a citizen. We are not the thought police, we do not punish someone for holding a particular political view. An offence must be an action found to be contrary to law as judged by the SC. Aliasi's rights include the right not to recognize the government. Kendra, on the other hand, has no rights with respect to Aliasi's webserver (personal property).
That's how I read it...Opinions?
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