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Only because our current LRA deigns to be proactive, as Flyingroc said. It is his perogative to accept proposals by carrier pigeon, if he so chooses... he simply MUST accept notecards, all else is at the option of the individual RA member.

you still haven't answered my question.

Since it's my intentions that are being called into question here, I believe, this is what I mean to do. I suppose to avoid confusion a strict application of the RA procedures is required. Therefore from this point. I will cease pasting into notecards any bills proposed on either forum. No notecard = no agenda placement. Remember that citizens are free to submit their notecards to any RA member, although they need to get to me at some point prior to the agenda deadline in order to actually be placed on the agenda.

A valid concern for sure. But isn't it ironic that in the history of Nburg, the only person that ever gathered that kind of information and violated anyone's privacy was Ulrika Zugzwang when she served as the entirety of the SC and sole arbiter of our election process?

Just sayin

I find the continued attempt to tie my name and Ulrika's name together to be similar to Bush tying Saddam and Osama together.

I fail to see what this has to do with my point, Unless you are arguing that Aliasi is more trustworthy than Ulrika.

Uhhh, yeeeeaaah!

I think your really going overboard a bit here Kendra. Almost any bulletin board software ever made tracks IP's and most display it right above or below the message to all administrators of the board unless you specifically turn the display off. As the owner and "uber-admin" of the software Aliasi will always have access to that information. It's a trivial thing.

Please don't take this yet again as a personal attack from me, but to suggest that merely by setting up a standard message board that someone is somehow engaging in a nefarious project or is somehow violating someones rights is a bit much don't you think?

really? Ulrika was a loyal Constitutionalist that recognized the Government of Neualtenburg and who believed that we are a land cooperative instead of a privately owned Sim of Rudeen Edo.

Why would you trust an individual who refuses to recognize the Government of Neualtenburg?

She admitted breaking rules and laws and the founding documents when it suited her. She was a threat then, and will be a threat in the future should she sneak back into power.

I would say N'burg was fortunate she stepped down, because she has an uncanny ability to twist every document to her way. I don't think she could have been impeached, as she herself said the SC, her, had the power to veto anything, even impeachments.

If she sneaks in, I doubt she will willingly walk away again.

I'm aware of what standard BB's do, Dianne.

Up until now, however, the only people with access to our IPs has been Linden Labs.


I think that it places an interesting set of powers into a single citizen. Basically giving Aliasi --an avowed enemy of the state - access to information that even true citizens of Neualtenburg to do not have access to.

It is my right as a citizen not to have my IP tracked if I do not wish. That an area where legislative functions and business of the Government are being discussed where I cannot have input unless I reveal personal information to a peer and partisan entity is troubling to me and cause for far more than "trivial" concern.

In your opinion.

Kendra, I question the accuracy of your post on two points:

1. How can you claim a (Neualtenburg citizenship) right to be free of IP tracking? Is this guaranteed in the constitution, or been upheld by interpretation during a SC case?

2. You are incorrect when you state that LL has been the only ones with access to your IP addresses before now. Whoever was/is maintaining Ulrikasheim.org, Neualtenburg.org, and Neualtenburg.info also have this ability, and may very well have been exercising it for some time. If I'm not mistaken, all 3 of these domains were used at one point or another in support of the project, to relay information and recruit new members. The main difference that I can see is that if these sites were enforcing IP logging, it would have been invisible and somewhat more difficult to connect specific IP addresses with specific avatars. Forum software is more straightforward and more transparent.

As an aside, the entire project might benefit by installing an "official" forum over at Neualtenburg.info. The benefits would include being able to run the forum outside of Linden control and exerting the technical control over the N'burg forums that the SC has an obligation to enforce (since they claim legal control over them). Also, IP logging/tracking would be an excellent way to avoid infiltration of the project by alt accounts. The obvious downsides would be loss of privacy for anyone who participated (you are sacrificing this privacy simply by reading my post right now, however; LL now has your IP address), and the problem that in the end, the domain is owned by a single person, just as the sim is owned by a single person. Some measure of good faith would be required from both sides in order for it to function.

I claim my privacy as an inherent right --as my identity and IP are not requirements of becoming a Neualtenburg citizen.

One can visit the 3 websites you mention without registering. In order to post to Aliasi's BB one must register. While The first three sites you mention can see who is visiting --it cannot tie those IP addresses to avatars.

In my opinion? Do you mean in my opinion she won't leave again, or do you mean in my opinion she willfully broke the laws, constitution and founding documents?

In your opinion she constitutes a threat.

Considering Ulrika's previous project to cull huge amounts of UUID #'s from the Secondlife population, I think you underestimate her abilities and *edit* OVERestimate her respect for your privacy. I admire her skill for being able to see patterns where they exist, and exploit them either as an intellectual exercise or for amusement as she stirs the pot of controversy.

Not only my opinion, but the opinions that count, the opinions of those who are the SC.

Her avatar key application was voluntary.

What is an avatar key application?

By voluntary, you mean of course that she would harvest your information, then remove it from public display if you specifically requested that it be done. This required that you even knew that the project was going on (many SL'ers do not peruse the forums) and take action to prevent it from being distributed. I make no assumptions that she also removed the "involuntary" information from her own records/scripts/hard drives/printouts/whatever.

Aliasi's data collection is also voluntary, since it is an unofficial forum and you are not obligated to even go to her site, much less register and start posting.

I'm not saying that you're wrong to value your privacy, but you do seem to be rather selective in whose actions you condemn and whose you overlook.

Unless there is some Constitutional clause I'm not aware of, SC opinion as to who constitutes a threat to Neualtenburg does not carry any more weight than my own opinion.

As far as I know Neualtenburg has not instituted Thought Police yet.

The SC is the judicial branch, of course their opinion is the deciding factor on who is a threat. They are the branch that voted to relieve her of citizen rights.

Do you respect their authority?

Every account in SL has a UUID # associated with it. This is the SL version of your SSN. It's how the asset server thinks of you, and draws your avatar for others to see, or makes sure that you receive an object that someone else has given to you. Ulrika stirred up quite a cauldron of "animated discussion" when she automated the process of tying UUID #'s to individual names, and then making these available for free to other folks. Think of it as a telephone number registry, or an email spam registry. The uses of these numbers could be either good or bad, depending on the intention and abilities of the user.

Others had already been doing this as a paid-for service, so Ulrika was either being helpful, annoying or invasive depending on how you view your SL privacy. I found the whole incident rather amusing, as I do with the recent Brouehaha in N'burg, but I don't assume for a minute that Ulrika has more respect for people's privacy than Aliasi does. Rather, I would say that she has provably less respect for privacy, because Aliasi hasn't done anything controversial with the information she's gathering..... she might, of course.

Ah, an inherent right. Here we get into a very fun area.... explicit vs implicit rights.
I'll submit it's possible you do have this right to privacy, but I fear that there's no way of knowing whether you do until it's either stated explicitly by your nation's (N'burg) documents, or upheld by a trial case where the right was extended or interpreted by your SC.

How far does your right to privacy extend, Kendra? Do I get in trouble if I was alt-zooming to look into your house while you were trying on clothes? Or only if I took photos? Or only if I distributed them? Or does your right to privacy only extend to things that could tie your SL existence to a RL identity? How far does the N'burg law reach beyond the bounds of SL? Does it protect your RL privacy as well?

Does it protect your UUID from unauthorized harvesting or distribution? I'd say in that case that Ulrika may have violated N'burg law in quite a big way, particularly if she also violated the privacy of a large chunk of SL, all of whose Univeral Human Rights are held dear by Neualtenburg

Listen folks. I want to make it unambiguously clear, that I have absolutely no desire to return to this project formally. It suffers from institutionalized pirating, ineffective judges, illegal trials, and back-door politicking. The core of the project has become a bickering clique that is more interested in exercising power, avoiding blame, and taking credit then seeing justice done or following the rules of the government to the letter. I see the forum fragmenting. I see bills popping up for vote that did not have the benefit of public scrutiny. I see RA meetings scheduled at odd times that deny people their voice. I see empty seats that marginalize factions. There's alts pestering people in forums. Judges themselves are implicated in crimes. Communcations go unanswered.

Many of you have forgotten about justice, fairness, honesty, responsibility, truth, honor, and commitment (to name a few). Until you place these principles ahead of your personal desires, the city will continue to languish. Do you need guidance? Do what I did. Admit honestly where you broke the law (either intentionally or unintentionally) and try to provide restitution. Admit where the rules were bent to satisfy your own needs and bend them back. Stop focusing so intently on exclusion and work on inclusion.

All is not lost though. I'm taking the lessons learned here and applying them to the next generation of governmental projects. Some good will come from this.

~Ulrika~

P.S.- This is a very rare rhetorical work from me. Typically I'm very logical, however today you caught me in an artsy mood.