Unofficial forum at aliasi.us!

For the hell of it, and in order to have a forum that is somewhat closer to being controlled by Neualtenburg itself, I've started up an unofficial forum at http://aliasi.us/nburgforum.

Registration doesn't go through until I approve it, so if you register for an account, you must IM me in-world letting me know how you registered. It's not as fancy as SLDrama's automated system, but it'll get the job done. You do not have to be a citizen to register, but if you are a citizen I'll place you in a "Verified Citizens" usergroup. You also don't *have* to use your SL username as your board username, but I strongly recommend you do. If you do not, at least place your SL username in your signature or user title.

The conditions I offer the forum are the same as that of the wiki; while it is in my best interest to promote the free exchange of ideas and spirited, lively debate, the website remains mine and I reserve the right to do pretty much whatever the hell I please as admin. That said, I intend to keep a hands-off approach to things, set the members of the SC as moderators, and step in only when needed. I'm still learning my way around the forum software, so initially there might be some wackiness as I play with settings... I've been spending the morning doing so and I think I've got it set properly, but we'll see.

All that said... play nice, childrens.

Not sure I understand the purpose of another forum. Especially one set up by someone who is admittedly contemptous of the Government.

This was posted 4/12/06 --has this changed?



Could you explain the reasoning further?

Mmm. Exclusion and censorship, two great tastes together at last.

~Ulrika~

Guild owned, Fascist approved.

Because I want to. I need another reason on my own server?

*shrug* considering I'm still a moderator on this forum, yet I believe I've only actually used those powers once or twice - to make stickies and unstick an old one - you'll have a hard time making a "censorship" charge stick to me, Ulrika. I don't have a history of editing other people's posts. You do.

As for exclusion, both you and Kendra are more than welcome to sign up, providing you also IM me in-world as I ask. I will be no more than normally jaundiced; I do frown on false accusations of copyright infringement (OMG, that house looks like mine, it couldn't possibly be because they're based on the same real-world design, IT MUST BE INFRINGMENT!!!!one1!). I do frown on accusing people of being sockpuppet alts with no evidence. (which, I might point out, I *will* have on my forum, thanks to being able to log IPs. It won't be at all foolproof as the incidents during the last two elections have shown, but it's an additional tool.)

Of course, in either case this is merely a service I am choosing to provide, much like the Wiki itself. Use it, or not, as you will.

So you will be collecting and comparing IP addresses of individuals to their avatar names using your website? Sounds like a hoot.

~Ulrika~

Just as you do not recognize the Government of Neualtenburg, I do not recognize your forum, and will not be availing myself of it's services.

I would suggest that as you are not a member of the Government , that you withdraw your name at once as a Moderator from THIS Official Forum. Your presence as a Moderator is illegal considering your stance with the Government.

You need an explanation to Neualtenburg, the reason for a forum that can track identity and is not accessable unless one surrenders their identity to you --a known anti-government tenant.

Given that the moderators aren't members of the SC, it would make it an unofficial forum. Because of this, general discussions could exist but no government business could be conducted there. I guess it's not so bad. Folks just have to be aware of the potential privacy and legal issues.

~Ulrika~

aha! But here we see this, buried in her OP



What we are witnessing then --is a transferance to a forum that is closed --she doesn't allow "guests" to read what is written, as access is only through registration.

Neat and Tidy, the transparency that once was Neualtenburg Government will slip into the iron curtain of secrecy. monitored by a shadowy figure who is renounces the Government in favor of allegiance only to the Sim Manager, and supported by an SC that claims Constitutional Authority to ignore the Constitution.

Do I hear the strains of the Horstwessel in the background?

Nice catch.

Damn shame what's going on around here.

~Ulrika~

Tough cookies. You ain't paying the bill, I am. I could set up the forum as anything I wish; I am making the use of my server available to those people who wish to discuss Neualtenburg on it. It's well within my rights to set any limits I like on it; if I wish to replace everyone's avatar with the goatse.cx image it'd be... well, tasteless and totally not me, but perfectly legal.

I do not demand any RL info, only that the entity registering an account be linked to an SL avatar through the simple matter of IMing me. IP addresses are no great secret, being revealed in the ordinary course of accessing another server.

Similarly, there is no ethical principle making it necessary for me to remove my moderatorship... but as I said: I do respond to polite requests. Try asking in a slightly less imperious tone, I am rather tired of getting all those damned "reported post" warnings.

Really? Actually, it IS supposed to be readable by guests. Give me a tick to figure out what setting I messed up.

EDIT: Heh. I had the individual forums marked as guest-readable, but not the big "guests may browse" checkbox in the main settings. Told you I was still learning it. Feel free to browse in anonymous contentment!

You still haven't answered my question as to what the motivation is.

And I am leery about the concept of IP adresses in the hands of a tenant who both acts in the role of a Shadow Government official while simultaneously renouncing the Factual Government.

Your stance as having allegiance only to the Sim manager, while ignoring the true owners of the Sim --the populace that pays for the Sim -- is frankly a slap in the face to those of us who have signed on to live in a cooperative system.

Firstly, I'm no longer a sim manager, and I've IMed Jeska to remove me as moderator - which will restore me to "just an ordinary person" status once again. Just the way I prefer it.

And Kendra, the little tirade where you and Ulrika as much admitted that you never INTENDED Neualtenburg to be democratic, but to always have a way that you could "pull the strings" when something annoyed Mommy is a slap in the face, too. I've apologied for my harsh words, but this final fact I cannot apologize for. Until the government of the sim makes a formal statement, or passes a law, guaranteeing the primacy of the people, I MUST deny it; otherwise it is simply another set of masters without even the bit of truth-in-execution being the sim owner has.

I signed up to Neualtenburg in order to have a say. I did not sign up in order to let Ulrika and Kendra pretend to let everyone have a say. For that matter, I didn't sign up to let Sudane pretend to let everyone have a say, however you wish to paint my actions. I fell back on "sim owner" only because the alternative was to tell all involved to go to hell and leave; that option remains open but I confess the knowledge that Ulrika would prefer I exercise it makes me all contrary; 'tis my nature.

I didn't say you were --I said you admitted that your allegiance is only to Sudane --The Sim Manager.




Can you produce this quote? I'd be interested in seeing it.




And your solution to this is to give a large rasberry salute to everyone else who shares the Sim with you. Your stance is far more anti-democracy then mine --or Ulrika's!



Pretty harsh accusation there, Skipper --care to back that up with facts?



I'll put this in terms that you can understand. Currently you are showing contempt for those of us who share the Sim with you. You are, unlike anyone else on the Sim, placing yourself outside the laws of Neualtenburg. As someone who pays quite a large chunk of change into this Sim and expects equal obligations from all who have agreed to sign into this system, I find that you are frankly trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Sudane is not the Sim Owner. Aliasi --we are ALL the Sim Owner.

For someone who professes to want Democracy, you have a damned funny way of showing it. You have in fact already told the entire population of Neualtenburg to "go to hell" through your actions.

BTW --you still haven't answered my question.

The answer to your question is five tons of flax.

I wasn't aware that flax was a synonym for batsqueeze.

Interesting.

There's a forum on this "unofficial" bulletin board entitled...

Neualtenburg Legal
A forum for the discussion and proposition of Nburg law .

Is the RA going to be accepting Bill proposals from this "unofficial" forum?

I'd hope not. The RA is only supposed to accept bills that are actually submitted TO THEM, specifically to the LRA, is it not?

However, this does not prevent anyone from throwing up an idea and seeing if it sticks, as is done here.

you are confusing the RA with the SC. Bills to the RA are in fact accepted by forum post. Quite frequently.

Actually, from the RA proceedings document:



Technically, bills are proposed by sending an RA member a notecard. Then the RA member submits the bill to the LRA to be included in the agenda. It's just that the LRA has been proactive in taking forum posts and putting them in notecards himself.

Forum posting is encouraged, but optional.

You just said exactyly what I said only you used more words