Builders, get ready for sculpted prims

Sure it'd work, people building with the prim plugin would just have to deal with the same limitations in output that people building with traditional tools do.

Don't try to turn the thing at your advantage.
You clearly thought it was impossible while I thought it was possible and was going to happen - which has been confirmed.


Depends how ! Ethics.. you know...



You call this questioning ? How hypocrite, it's me who is attacked so no wonder if I attack back.


You're doing exactly what I think every unskilled builders should do : getting ready for sculpted prims.
That's how the thread is named, BTW, see ?
Glad you agree with me.

Ok... whatever you say... It's all about you. You're absolutely right. It certainly was laughable to question where you got your information (wait... you DIDN'T have any information, that's right!) and then were proved right by... oh, yeah. Someone answering your question.
You had NOTHING to back up your statement and now I'M the idiot for it?

Whatever, dude. You just keep trolling.

OH! Now you're going to play ethics. Please. Lecture me on that.
I'm not sure how ethics come in regarding this situation, other than you wanting to hobble a group with a certain skillset. But ok... it's unethical to allow people to use their skills. Gotcha.
When did I attack? I asked questions and posed possibilities and was told it was worthless.
Also, is it ethical to blindly lash out at someone?

I agree with you on that. I never said I didn't you smug idiot.
I disagreed with your "It's unfair to let people who know what they're doing do what they trained for until everyone gets trained." stance on this. And I've said why, only to be attacked and insulted.

You, sir, are behaving like a troll. I'll thank you not to respond to this.

LOL, I said :

I don't need to back up my thinking !
The problem is that you guys like to read what you want to read.
And you were right, I was able to foresee a great feature



Taking the cake of people while they cannot defend it is not ethical. (if you think different you're an unethical person)
I think it is right to help them.
You never understood or always ignored that point and always accused me of putting barriers in the way of those who want the cake.
You did that all thread long, again and again and again, you completely ignored the very idea.
Its like accusing of murder a policeman who had to kill a man to save its hostage.


You obviously got what you deserved because I don't attack without reason.
Go read back the whole thread to find out when you started to screw up.


I never said it either, smug idiot yourself.
Sigh, any other worthless remarks ?


No no, that's your words. Plus it doesn't even make sense, go proofread yourself.
What you say is that it's unethical not to let people have the cake - in other word that it's ethical to let them take the cake.
You think you're gonna convince me of this ?
You think I think I'm gonna convince you of the contrary ?
I don't care at all, I'm not the one who came in and started to argue.


I didn't ask anything when I started this thread which wasn't meant for the people who disagree with the idea, but you came in and argued, kept ignoring my points, what the idea is all about, kept repeating the same worthless (yes) arguments, kept accusing me of the unfortunate bad consequence that my good will brings, claimed I'm the one attacking while you did everything for that, claimed you're not gonna post anymore, kept arguing over the same thing even after I recognized there was no need for my suggestion to be applied, and more.
You're the troll, no doubt.


huh, dream on.
Can you not respond to this ? I don't think so.

Again, whatever. You are the best. I'm not sure how I didn't see that. Please forgive me, oh, great one.

I'm not disagreeing that "taking the cake of people" is unethical (but a lovely mixed metaphor, there.), but it's a misrepresentation of the situation. This was the point made over and over again and dismissed by you as worthless. Those that "cannot defend" CAN. Everything is out there, free of charge, for them to learn how to do it before this is launched. I spent a few hours taking a tutorial for Blender and now have adequate skills to make a decent sculptured prim.
Your original post says: "I think that the exporters for Maya etc should be only available months after the client's sculpt editor so that "current SL builders" have time to learn and become able to compete with all the 3D professionals who will import their work into SL.

PS : I'm a scripter, not a builder, but I came to let you know."
To which I, and many others, replied that "current SL builders" DO have the time to learn and be able to compete. I, and others, went on to explain that, as builders (which you said you weren't), speaking from our expertise, an expertise you said you didn't have, many of us will probably use offline 3D programs to create these prims and only use the in-world editor to tweak. This, too, was dismissed as worthless.
It was then explained to you (as an admitted non-builder) that these prims work off of textures and to put a stop to the importation of only these textures would be prohibitive and counterintuitive, as it would mean a whole new set of encryptions and a paradigm change in how things are done. One would assume that Linden Labs would prefer things to be as simple as possible for the end user. What you suggest, with the encryption of the displacement maps or whatever, would make it significantly harder for the regular user and, in fact, having a background in 3D modelling would be even more of an advantage than the proposed status quo, as one would have to have knowledge of filetypes, compressions, etc. that the average user, ones that would be only using the in-world editor, wouldn't have.

Why? Again with the attacking. I'd suggest that YOU reread the thread and note your posts, especially #12, where you lashed out at everyone posting, then #17, where you attacked Sys Slade with "Well maybe I like fairness and you don't care". Then keep reading and watch for the point where you started getting rude. No one else did, only you.

YAY! Another attack! Sweet!

I'll repeat. "]"I think that the exporters for Maya etc should be only available months after the client's sculpt editor so that "current SL builders" have time to learn and become able to compete with all the 3D professionals who will import their work into SL."
Those are YOUR words.
I think "It's unfair to let people who know what they're doing do what they trained for until everyone gets trained." isn't a bad translation of that.
I think, as I said above, it WAS you who started to argue. You're changing the goalposts and misrepresenting what you said.

No. This is untrue. If you didn't want people to comment on it, why post? Or are you the type that only wants to hear people say "Oh, Simil, you are so right."?
I wasn't the only one who disagreed, there were others. I believe I touched on all of your points, but you simply ignored MY points, as well as everyone else. The rest of what you wrote there is not only nonsense, the points that are lucid are wrong.
You're making up stories and rewriting what happened.
"kept repeating the same worthless (yes) arguments"
They were repeated because they weren't addressed.
"kept accusing me of the unfortunate bad consequence that my good will brings"
Huh? I thought it was you that brought up the bad consequences...
"...I recognized there was no need for my suggestion to be applied, and more."
When was this? I must have missed when you did this.

Um. I think I just did.

You never understood the situation that I have been referring to, that's why your arguments were worthless.


Not enough time.


Yup because there was no point in saying this.


Pfff complete nonsense.
If there's no importation, you're not gonna export sculpt textures at all, period.
And whatever would be the method to prevent importation/use, it would be transparent for the end user.


Geez I have quoted the text and you still don't understand my reactions ?
Ok I guess you want me to consider you as a stupid and explain everything :

First Ziibly Isan says :

Which shows that he doesn't understand what's specific about the builders' situation.
This is the first occurrence of the argument that becomes worthless.

Second occurrence :


Then Sys Slade brings in the idea of preventing skills to be used.

So I repeat what the idea is about.

But it doesn't prevent Eddy Stryker from talking about tool use prevention.

People that don't bother to read or don't understand what they read, do get on my nerve, thus causing post #12.

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Later :

Which means that he doesn't give a shit about what would happen to current builders.
In other word he has no idea of what fairness actually is.
This explains post #17.

Afterwards what was said was just more occurrences of the worthless argument, recurrent accusations of disadvantaging and being unfair to the skilled, and more nonsense.
No way the policeman would appreciate being accused of murder, so no wonder I got rude.
The more this happened, the more I got upset, really the progress of the thread is easy to catch.


Poor baby.


I told you that this sentence didn't make sense.
You're saying : It's unfair to let the 3D professionals import their models until builder have learned to create sculpted prims in 3D softwares.
If you say "until" it makes no sense, if you say "before" then yes it's what I said.


Impossible, I made the topic, so the first who disagreed with the idea became the first to argue.



To comment, not to argue.
This thread was for those who shared my opinion.
If you come to argue AKA trolling, don't freaking blame me for what happens next.


You touched none and had none.
The only points made were those that clearly demonstrated that importation wouldn't be so easy.


Nope they were repeated because the answers I gave were not read or ignored on purpose.


Oh, no, like I said, I made this suggestion to help builders, then all what people did was to bring up the bad side.


heh just as I thought, don't even think of coming back at me, you're out.

Strife, do me a fave and shut this thread? Below is the very definition of trolling.


No, I completely understood you. I just disagreed.
They haven't announced when this will be launched? You said early on that you think three months is adequate (although, as a non-builder, I don't get how you can make this call). Have they said when these will be implemented? I'm guessing it won't be a matter of weeks and will, in fact, be at least a month or two. There was certainly a point is saying this, as it pertains to what you are talking about, the fairness of the in=world editor, etc, etc. Just because it takes away from your argument a little doesn't make it worthless. It is a valid point and you didn't address it. You are not a builder. You said you weren't. I am. I am a rather good builder. I speak from a place of knowledge. I wouldn't comment on scripting and, if I WAS so arrogant as to do so, I would certainly not dismiss someone who knew about scripting.How are you going to stop the importation of textures without changing the entire way this will work? Please explain this. If you want to stop the EXPORT from Maya or Blender, I'm not sure how you'll do this, as some enterprising person will invariably create one in a matter of days, much like someone has created a way to export out of SL. Who was that again?
So, it's not nonsense, it's just something you can't answer. There's a difference.
AGAIN with an attack. Why do you do this? I'm guessing from the way you write and from your profile that English isn't your first language. Maybe this is a factor, a lack of communication, or miscommunication. Maybe in your culture or in your language, snapping at people that disagree with you and insulting them is the way to go, but when you do it in English, it's taken as rude. I'm now just trying to find out if you're just being rude or if it's a language barrier.Now this one, I'm pretty sure was just rudenessThis one, I'm thinking is a language problem, because the two ostensibly mean the same thing. And I'm not saying it, you are.No, that is untrue, again. You posted an opinion on a discussion board.There is a difference between discussion and argument and a MAJOR difference between discussion and trolling. When someone posts a dissenting opinion and you snap at them with insults and abuse, the trolling is purely one sided.
I find it completely disingenuous for you to claim that you posted this with the wish to only hear "You're right, you're right." That's not how these things work.
Bull. That is incorrect.The only person ignoring points was you, mon ami. When the importation and possible encryption difficulties was brought up, you ignored it and just said "Ask someone else." You didn't comment on your opinion on this and whether or not you thought it was worthwhile to go through the hassle of doing this in the interest of a few weeks of "fairness".Then why did you leap on builders when they disagreed?
I'm out? You're kidding, right? I think you may be a little delusional.


Everyone else: Why am I feeding the troll? Sorry. Sometimes, I gotta stand up when someone like this attacks.

Calling the mod to have the final word huh ? nice. Even asking for special treatment.


Not my problem if you don't follow up.


Man I already told you that I already told you. (ignorance is severe at this point)
What's the point of talking to you, you're just doing this because you think I'm trolling.



If you show that you're stupid but aren't stupid it's that you want me to think that you are.


I'm saying "until" and "before" don't mean the same thing.


And someone posted an opposed opinion, creating an argument.


No way.



I ignored everything that didn't make a point !
The "how" doesn't matter, it's to LL to figure out "how".


I've already explained how this thread progressed.


No no, you just requested this thread to be closed - ejecting yourself.

Echo,

If we handicap the most talented 3d people they will go away.

I want SL to be as dynamic and rich as possible. There are so many new technologies that can become a part of this world that it is simply amazing.

But it won't happen if the most talented 3d people out there see their skills being stifled.
They will just go elsewhere and dismiss us as something that is not worthwhile.

So I say bring them on and all the new wonders they can bring!

You treated me as a troll, so WTF do you expect, this is your doing, blame yourself.


A discussion sure, but all I got was arguments.


Lets see !

discussion (plural discussions)

Conversation or debate concerning a particular topic.

debate (plural: debates)

1. an informal and spirited but generally civil discussion of opposing views.


until

1. Up to the time of (something happening).
2. Before (a time).


Just for your info.

And you were treated like a troll because you behaved like one.

The whole point of skills is that they provide you with an advantage. Since when is having skills a bad thing?

...

Wow, that is a pretty surreal thing to say. As in, it is pretty surreal to need to explain that.

omg mods lock plz

thanks Simil i came into this thread with the hope of picking up some good info on how these things work in the real world, so that making the jump over would be a lot smoother

eventho i choose to read this thread from page one, once i reached the end of it, and it progressed to a "stopit" "no you stopit" match , i felt like the last 20 or so minutes of my life were a waste

6 pages of a "its not fair" argument by someone who will never use this great improvement to SL instead of learning something is truley unfair

this entire subform (Content Creation) is not the place for pitchforks and torches (unoffically thats for resident awnsers heh) we come here to ask questions, pick up new tricks and techniques, and most importantly, learn


hopefully this novel of crap will be locked soon and we can continue to better our skills without a uninterested 3rd party making a stink

woot no hard work for me ^_^

*locks and send to LR*