Attention Immaculate Residents!!

Still waiting for an actual answer.......

I spend a lot of time in the mature zones. I get a bit laggy in Da Boom and Federal... but that's about it. (Tehama occasionally... but pretty rarely.)

My goodness.

Look, I REALLY don't see the need for Rush Limbaugh tactics on this thread. This derisive tone, and assumption of the worst about people that honestly disagree are only going to make things worse.

I also object to the assumption that old-timers in a zone somehow have more rights than we newcomers. Lets make our points and decide our votes, based on facts, and feelings, not the demonizing of those who don't agree. All that leads to is the victory of the one who can flame best.

Nobody wants a "M rated lag-fest". The mere thought is rediculous, and claiming that is equally rediculous. That's not discussion, that's scare tactics and opponent demonization.

The people that are arguing on the side of a Mature rating, honestly don't believe that will happen.

Ingot

The more Mature sims there are, the less laggy they will be. The fact that the Mature sims are laggy is the very reason why more sims should be given a Mature rating.
I dont know about Immaculate, since I hardly ever go there, but its pretty simple. If a group owns over 3/4ths of the land in a sim and they want to change the rating the lindens will change it. So i suggest that the people in immaculate form two groups with pro and anti mature positions, and see who wins. Its better than running a flamewar in the forums you know.

"The people that are arguing on the side of a Mature rating, honestly don't believe that will happen."

So why are they fanning the flames of a burning dead horse carcass?

You have now degenerated to name calling, ("Rush Limbaugh". Give me a break. LOL, and YOU accuse ME of "opponent demonization" Smacks of hypocrisy just a lil' bit.

I am simply responding to the remarks about "people battling with giant phalluses", the "orgy" comment, and the statements about Hawthorne having no "usable" land. NOT ONCE in this thread have I thrown out any crap like that and the "hysteria" is obviously owned only by sore losers. The proof is displayed by the fact that you folks still feel compelled to snipe away at any comments contrary to your own desires. When was it EVER said that the"old-timers here have more rights..."?? Sounds like paranoia to me.

This is my final post here. That is a promise. As I said above, I could argue with stones all day, and still have just that at the end of the day, stones.

You are again, welcome to debate this issue or not. I will not let your decision to forego any further discussion stop me from commenting on what you have said however.



Actually, this is another Limbaugh tactic. It works like this...

Limbaugh tries to silence someone saying something he doesn't like, be it war protesters, media figures, whatever.

Someone tries to stop him based on the right to free speech.

Limbaugh then accuses the persone trying to stop him of limiting HIS free speech.

Effectively this is an attempt to use the priveledges of free speech to limit the priveledges of free speech.

This same recursive tactic is commonly used for many other things, and includes the ratcheting up of rhetoric, under the auspices that the person complaining started it because simply pointing out the behaviour is the behaviour itself.

It don't hold water however.



I won't discuss the mature rating here, everyone has pretty much put forward their views. It looks like those of us that want it have lost. If that's the case, and if you are either the only holdout, or one of a few, I won't hold it against you. You have a right to your opinion, and I'm glad you expressed it.

If by some wild chance the area IS made mature, I would hope that you would show us the same courtesy.

Ingot Hedges

is this about whether Immaculate should be mature or about how Rush Limbaugh deals with opponents? i kinda lost track.

seriously Eggy had a good idea. people who live in Immaculate send your votes to the Lindens and let them count the results. nobody wins flamewars and flamewars don't decide anything. having a vote can't be any more divisive than foum ranting.

AFAIK only one community changed the rating of their sim, ever. Quoth the Linden:

It would seem that you people should be organized as a group revolving around some common theme before applying for a rating change, plus you should have control of 3/4ths of the land in that sim.
Actually, after seeing all the immaturity flying around in this thread, I doubt this change will ever happen. Nevertheless, I wish you good luck. If you make it, I shall throw a nude party in your honour, followed by the ever popular curse-like-a-sailor insult contest

Funny.... even in the edited post I didn't see any answer to the basic question. (IE What would be wrong with changing Immac to mature.) Eggy's right as well.... the more mature sims there are the less lag there will be overall. (Not that there's an incredible amount in most of them anyway, but any reduction in lag is usually a good thing.)

A vote is a good idea... but the vote should be based on reasoned out facts. Hyperbole about mature sims doesn't help.

A vot is a good idea, but we need to get the word out to all involved. How ecactly do we do that?

More signs? Another thread?

Lets come up with a plan, and then just do it and let this rest! This will be the thread for debate, any others will be procedural only.

Ingot

Well after a week of being contacted by a couple of the "pro-mature" party, I've come to a decision, and my decision is that I am now vehemently against Immaculate ever becoming a mature sim, so I vote NO. I was rather bothered by Misty turning my simple initial and I think non-confrontational question into an attack on her motives and character, of which I know nothing. I don't get into ad hominen attacks with people I'm not acquainted with. I was somewhat disheartened by such statements as: "We need Nekkidness woohoo!" I was just a bit suspicious of the sudden, unheralded and unprecedented appearance of a new player - since then unseen - with a giant glandular attachment. I was not very surprised that noone involved had apparently even spoken with a Linden about the possibility of changing the rating.
Even so, I was pretty much in favor of it, in the balance, maybe not enough to vote FOR it, but the immature tactics of one or two people involved have proven to me that they, at least, are not really equipped to live in a mature sim. Mature neighbourhoods are by definition occupied by adults, and adults usually come to realize that if they get along with their neighbours, the neighbours will pretty much turn a blind eye to anything, even if it be quite tacky in nature, that might go on in the neighborhood, while neighbours that get harrassed will never cut them any slack at all - will in fact call in the vice squad at the very sight of a garter belt or riding crop.

More signs? That's a great idea. That's great. But more of a long-term thing. I mean, first we have to focus on more immediate goals.


(with apologies to Terry Gilliam and Brad Pitt)

David, actually, I do remember talking to a Linden about this before this thread whas started.
If memory serves, Misty whas there too.
But all that is a little pointless to say right now.
I can understand we don't want upsetting behavior in our quiet nabourhood and I understand how some of us think we will get that and some of us think we won't.
But then, what prevents us from trying?
I think the most points eighter for or against changing are points that we don't know for sure will be fact.
If things don't work out in a mature Immaculate, what will prevent us from changing back?
Thing is, we won't know what will happen unless we see it happen, so I suggest a tryout period, if the majority is not happy after that period, we change right back and will be another experience wiser.

Actually, I think a vote with a trial period is a good idea, but I don't think it'll happen.

We have Nolan attacking anyone that disagrees, and David who somehow seems to think he's been attacked (I've read the entire thread twice and I can't see it), and people telling us that because they were in Immaculate first they have more rights than we newbies do.

They obviously aren't going to budge, and they don't seem to care if this is taken beyond a debate and into snarling and snapping. Now we have all those condescending and snide signs all over the territory. "Immaculate needs more billboards"... Pheh.

I said way early that we should drop this if it threatens to ruin the neighborly atmosphere of Immaculate. Unfortunately, that has now happened. I'm a bit offended by the nastiness, and it aint likely to go away soon.

Ingot

Coke just flew out of my nose and all across my edit bay. Thanks Mal!

LOL.. and it lends itself all too well:

Are you the Immaculate Peoples Front?
F*&* OFF! We're the Peoples Front of Immaculate.
What ever happened to the popular front.
Oh he's over there...
SPLITTER!


Ok, apart from the mature sims, the racing park, the telehubs, permissions on textures, Lindenworld, and a no tax week... what have the Lindens ever done for us?


ahhhh, enough jocularity -- back to work.

I agree -- seems like the best way to go, until there's a reasonable way to have a vote, and some kind of assurance that Linden is actually ready to go along with the results of the vote.

I personally am happy with PG.

I am sorry that you took offense at my free expression and the billboards have now been removed. And I shan't attempt expression in Immaculate any further as I do not wish to violate the social norms that have been established there. I'm sorry that you found the billboards condescending. That was not my intent, although I see how you might have read that into it.

If it matters at all, if anyone had asked me to remove them - either in-game or out - I would have done so immediately, even though they were set to auto-die 24 hours after creation.

Well, given this message from you, I must assume I misjudged you and the intent of your signs.

You have my apologies for that misjudgement, and for the fact that I posted about it.

That's the trouble with things like this, once they start getting out of hand, it becomes VERY easy to start misunderstanding each other, and misinterpreting intentions.

I DO agree with what I now ASSUME was your original intention, which is that we still have all these "Make Immaculate Mature" signs around. Trouble is a vote was never officially finished, and the people that put up those signs are probably waiting for some closure to this before removing them.

We need to get this finalized and behind us...

Anyone have a suggestion? Should we just take our voting from this thread, or is something in-game necessary?

Ingot

As a new Immaculate resident I would like to see an in world vote.

My recommendation is to hold two events one on Saturday and one on Sunday. This willl allow for most people to take part in one or the other.

Each event shold be kind of like a Town Hall discussion with one person moderating the flow. At the end we poll each person and record their vote.

We present the final combined vote to everyone on Monday including the Lindens. By Tuesday it should be put to bed in some fashion or other.

This is just what I would suggest and personally would like to see happen. I would be more than willing to assist in any way possible for this idea or another.

Thank you.

-sean

since i'm not a resident of immaculate, my opinion doesnt count for sh&t, BUT....

its sad to see your neighborhood going at each other like this.

i say, forget about immaculate... Lindens.. could you *please, pretty, pretty, please* give us more M sims! new ones too..

After finally reading all posts in this thread...I will be in attendance of tonights meeting held by Misty.

If an additional meeting is necessary after this one, we can plan another at a later date.

I hope to see you all there. ^_^

Check this post for a related Linden post.

And there you have it.

Thank you, Haney. ^_^

I wanted to say a special thank you to Haney Linden for his imput thus putting closure to this thread.

It was never my intent to tear apart Immaculate and its residents. I would like to state for the record that I love all my neighbors and will always respect their opinions and standards. Likewise, I feel they respect mine as well.

I would also like to thank Nolan Nash who was kind enough to come and meet me at my home. We are neighbors and now friends as well.

Thats the true nature of Immaculate, mature or PG....

I am very proud to live there and my wanting to have a mature rating was not intended nor based on insulting or angering my neighbors.

So now that this issue has been discussed and resolved, I look forward to going back to the game I love and my Second Life.

I want to thank my friends who supported me and my neighbors for expressing their views and stance on this subject. And to the residents of Second Life at large, you were are very kind to lend your opinions as well.

Yes, we can all differ in opinion but we are all bound by the love we have for our home and neighborhood. I am proud to live among such a diverse area and we are proof positive that we can all live together in relative harmony.

Sincerely,
Misty Rhodes