Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I was positively surprised while reading the announcement, until I looked up the knowledge base and saw the actual limits.
That dropped it into my prediction of "make openspaces so restrictive that they are not viable". 1/20th the prims, 1/10th the avatars and as-yet-unknown script limitations for 1/4th the cost. That doesn't add up.
This is the announced price hike on openspaces plus a smoke-and-mirror maneuver.

Call me a bit of a plank, but i am unsure how one is affected by this if you have perhaps a mainstore or only store on the land. Few visitors, but obviously commercial. Anybody else confused? I am deeply concerned that those of us who are creative, innovative and seeking to bring new products and idea's will be stifled by charges that prohibit us from showing or selling our wares/inventions.

I would hate to see only Armidi and Naughty left in sl!!!! Then SL will need its own monopolies commission. We most of us start small and have to have some success to be able to meet these tier fees. I go further to say that many work at a personal loss already and absorb thess fees with a view to growth and future success.

I for one will have to shut up shop if this tier fee applies to me and i am sure many others are in the same position.

This is vague..cloudy..and again bait and switch!!!..

We bought one product and now you're changing everything - all the rules..scripts..avatar limits..everything..

still getting screwed and no dinner!!!

This is crap!

Clearly sailing communities will be glad to see Openspaces at the original price point.

Boats need scripts to run, so please confirm that the scripting limitations in Openspaces will not be a case of totally disabling scripts.

For a quick link to the knowledge base which explains much more in detail about what is acceptable use for each region go here:

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=5650

lol

Yup this is a fair solution good job to LL should have been handled this way to begin with.

Two questions:-

1. Why the reduction of prims all the way down to 750? If OS sims worked ok before with 1800(?) prims, why not now?

2. Will homestead (HS) sims be 4 to a CPU, just like the OS sims are now?

Is the answer to Q2 because OS and HS sims will not be seperated in any way and, with a bit of luck, HS sims will find themselves sharing CPUs with OS sims? If they will be sharing with each other, will something be in place to ensure that 3 or 4 HS sims *don't* find themselves on the same CPU?


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3. Are you saying that, if I get an OS sim (750 prims) and I put a few trees around, I can't also put a house there, simply because it's not an approved use? Are you serious? It won't be possible to go above the hard limits so what possible difference does it make if I put a house and furniture or a load of extra trees there?

Sorry, but without solid numbers as to limitations, I cannot treat this missive as serious.

Take two, M.

First let me say that I will accept you actually thought about things. But honestly I don't see this as any change.


You KNEW what they were used for. So keeping oceans at 75/mo is not accepting what you've created. You in essence have put off the inevitable of the 125/mo. Which in and of itself is good but doesn't really change much. In doing so you also have not given us or our customers the information to make a decision about whether that inevitable is accetable.


You have not addressed free conversions as we all know many Ls have said privately and in world would be extended.


While I am happy LL took a step back.... this really doesn't seem like more then a step back and a step forward back to where we were.


Still nebulous information.

I have to look this more but my intitial reaction is good and there does seem to be more than I had hoped for. In particular the gradual increase of tier and not the great hit that we had been told to expect. Additional options also looks reasonable.

I'm not sure yet but still read, like, 5 - 10 times.

That seems a fair solution, and one I can work with. I'll still be getting rid of some openspaces before January, but I think my residents will live more happily with the more modest tier increase.

Some things missing from the blog are:

1) An outright, no-nonsense apology.
2) Details of what the avatar/prim/script limits will be on openspaces and homesteads.

Edit: Oops, didn't see the KB article before posting. Perhaps that needs to be more prominently on show in the blog post. Would still like an apology tho!

Interesting, especially the bit about openspace sims having only 750 prims - a HUGE step down.

/me wonders if any nautilus openspace sims already go over this...

When and where can we get a full information about the limits for these 2 products ?

Has the idea of an extreamly light use sim been tossed out yet? To me something like 50-100 prims for some trees or such seems like it would be more then enough.

It's in the knowledge base article linked in M's post, but to save a click or two:

Well I am a little happier now, though we still don't know exactly what 'Homestead' or 'Open Space' limits will be.

I have a home on an OS at the moment and nearly half is water, what would that come under?

What would really be of great use to customers is that if we are having $125 tier we could buy direct from LL and not rent from land barons which ups the price considerably as I am already paying $112 on the $75 tier sims. For an island with a home and water it's going to cost a lot if need a Homestead even if it's incredibly rare to have more than myself and my partner on the land at any time.

Edit: oops didn't read the knowledge base with the limits on it

You can convert fewer than 4 OpenSPaces to a full sim by paying $250 per missing OpenSpace.
Yes, until Jan 09.
They're in the KB article.

Nice alternative thinking about Openspace. Well 2 goods news in same day.

how about a third option and refund the sale price of the land we were sold.
i dont want a very low use sim and i cannot afford 125 usd already you take over 3/4 what my shop makes. it is simple the sim just wont cover its self and i think you at least owe us this 3rd option of buying back missold land.

anyone want to buy my lovely island i will really miss it

Those details are in the KB article.

Now if only they had asked for 'feedback' and maintained a 'dialog' before Oct 27th, a lot of anger and anguish might have been avoided. This is the sort of thing they *should* have announced 9 or 10 days ago.

It's still a bit ambiguous, but there'll be more back-and-forth about the details.

Maybe I glossed over it, but I missed the part where Linden Lab apologized for claiming that the majority of their most loyal customers were "abusing" the system?

-Atashi

Homesteads are what you are using NOW....isnt it? and it will cost 125 a month..


LL define the products better. I don't really see this as a change is it?

I am speechless, does he really think people can afford an OS for 75 USD a month just for water and forest?? And did i miss something, did he offer free convertion to a full sim in his post?

How many prims?

OpenSpace is 750 prims, fewer than 10 concurrent avatars.

I'd like some clarification on what they mean by renters. You may need to be the estate owner and have at least one full sim to not be a "renter".