Staying, Paying, Dumping, or Quiting SL?

I was homeless before OS and will be again, the difference is now all my friends will be either homeless or renting skyboxes so I will have nowhere quiet to hang out. My $L spending has ceased entirely - I will put no more money into the economy - ever.

Dumping my OS but keeping my Full Sim

For now anyways as its a tax deductible expense and cheap advertising for our RL business. However if LL drops a large price hike bombshell on us for full sim we will get rid of it.

The money we will save on the OS we will now invest in www.openlifegrid.com yes we know its still in alpha but its got to be worth a small risk so LL loss is their gain and we know of others that will be taking a chance on them as well

The problem with the OpenLifeGrid game si that they are supject to Linden Labs helping and there is no real economy to speak of there yet.

Will most probably give up my openspace sim. Had bought it from a private estate and used mostly for my husband and myself as a place to get away and be alone and enjoy the water, mountains, dance and sit and watch the sunet We have a plot of Dreamland we have keep for our home, so we do have a place to live. If LL decides to grandfather tiers and our estate owner doesn't raise our tier we would stay, but as it stands now, we will have to give up our land come January 1st (

It seems overwhelmingly that no matter what happens, most of us will not want to return to the mainland.

Honestly, after the freedom of no neighbors, ad farm, access/ban lines, and the headaches. I would resent and hate being on the mainland.

Plus, the land barrons ruin the price structure for the average person.

I rent a 1/4 sim section of a Private Island, and fortunately, my sim owner didn't buy any OpenSpaces sims. We had seriously considered it, however, and if we had, they would get dumped ASAP because of this price hike. The higher cost per prim per month for the new pricing is not in any way competitive with either private island real estate or mainland.

I have friends, however, who like on well-managed OpenSpaces sims owned by a large sim owner. I'm certain that they won't accept a 66% increase in their rent. It just wouldn't be cost-effective. They would be better off renting a parcel on a private island, like I do. I fully expect that all the lovely waterways and private, secluded parcels that their sim owner carefully had set up will get consolidated into normal sims. 1/4 as much land, less privacy, more people building way-high skyboxes and installing security orbs to maintain any semblence of privacy.

That kind of raises the question on like RP sims where the renters might say they would pay the extra, but will the estate owner want to take the risk?

And what about honoring the contracts between estate owners and renters if they got a locked rate?

I live on regular Mainland and always have, not on OS. I have never rented from or to anyone. My tier payments to LL are unchanged by the new OS pricing.

I live on mainland. My store is on mainland. This doesn't affect me, or anyone I know. Can't afford a sim, Full or open or any other arrangement and never planned to own one so I'm quite content just paying my tier every month.

I voted that it doesn't affect me. It doesn't directly, but I am sure that indirectly it will affect me in some ways. I could never afford an OS period.

I bought a full sim and wanted to build a rental community that was unique in SL. I decided to copy the layout and style of Santorini in the Greek Islands. To do it justice, there had to be a view. This is where the OS sim came in. It is a volcanic caldera filled with water. A very beautiful place. I struggle to meet the tiers that I have. The price increase will force me to give up the OS sim and without it the build is meaningless, so I will give up the full sim also. I have been looking at alternatives to SL. Someone should start a thread with information about these other grids, i.e. what you get for how much and how well established, etc. Will never buy in SL again. Cannont trust the Lindens. Also feel that there is more behind this than a few clubs on a few OS sims. Why are Lindens competing with us for rental and land sales? Seems to be a little questionable, if not in reality, then in the way it looks. Was fun while it lasted. Very sad to see it go.

This does affect me.
Although I do not currently own one, shortly after Christmas I had plans to purchase two open sims to add on to the ambiance of my main one, places for people to leisurely walk around, and for a little more privacy then I currently have.
However, I will not be making this upgrade now, nor do I plan on it if LL continues to raise their prices.
My budget barely accomodated for the two that I want before the price hike, and will not accomodate it now.
There is 500$ lost right away, and the 150$ each month in tiers for them both.
At 125$ each month in theirs it no longer becomes worth it to me for one open sim.

Furthermore, this will affect my business. As someone who has been trying very hard to make a presence via medieval and rustic furnitures - hearing the constant protests of not buying L$, not logging in, not spending L$ horrifies me, I truely wonder if I will be able to afford the full sim I have now after all of this.
LL is destroying the economy for me in more then just one way.
I understand frustrations, I understand why people want to do it, but boycotting one thing doesn't mean boycotting everything. This may just well mean death for smaller business owners, especially those not in the fashion industry as I am.

I fear that the L$ will drop, making the already dwindling amount I make be pennies on the dollar to what I was making months ago.
I was just anticipating coming out of the summer slum of SL to a great and flourishing fall. Ah, well. I don't see that anymore.

If things continue as they are, LL will see that my main full prim sim will also not be feeding into their greedy hands during this time of economic crisis.

That reminds me, Remember when they lowered the tier and startup cost for a Full Sim the rewarded recent full sim buys with Open Spaces?


Tricky way to nail them in the future with more.

I'm a mainlander, so I'm not directly affected. But, I have friends losing their homes on OS sims and I think a few of my favorite stores were on OS land. I'm sure not going anywhere. Even though I own a parcel, I still think of myself as SL Homeless, considering I spend nearly all my time in Welcome Areas and NCI. For me, very little fun is lost, SL is still the big grid, and there's still a crowd. I have PLENTY of incentive to stay. (^_^)y

Another ball should be added, let OS go and return to private sim not mainland sim.

For me, my OS gave me the sense of having a full sim for the fraction of the cost and of course the fraction of the prim. Mine is for my home. However, I did look at it as a vehicle to upgrade to my own private island. I had planned to sell it and use those proceeds in addition to what I saved to purchase my a private island. I had considered purchasing a sim on mainland as my cabin is there But decided against this due to the issues mainlanders have endured.

Nevertheless, my dream of owning a private island is NOW tanked. Sadly, I most likely have to give up my OS as rl economics will not likely allow me to pay whatever my estate owner will charge. With winter approaching I shudder to think what my heating bill will be. It's time to make some rl choices in sl. As wonderful as my estate owner is, she has to make a profit too. However, she has made an offer to those in her sims that are forced downgrade.

I really feel bad for her and the other estate barons that truly cared for their residents and themes. I believe this likely would've happened regardless of the estate owners that were selling the OS willy nilly without informing the OS owner how truly these sims perform. Because as so many have said the OS have assisted in the recent decline in land value.

OMG I must be really stupid!
I forked out 2100 US$ to buy 1 full sim (1600) and 2 open-spaces (250 each) and its all lost...

It’s the 'little man', the guy/girl with a full sim and one, two or a few Open sims - who just manage to make ends meet and up against the LL land glut and off-level tier policy - that gets punished and will have to abandon his/her sims and go look to realise their dream elsewhere, loosing their hard earned savings in the process… yes that's me too!

God, it makes me so frustrated!
I have really loved SL and what it gave me, but now it has mostly turned to unhappiness and incomprehension of the major policy decisions made by LL management over the last 1½ year!

I shall have to abandon 1 full and 2 open sims and go look elsewhere; although I would rather stay and work in and with the community on my 3 sims…

*Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac and Linden Lab*

If the ownership of the present Open Spaces cannot be transferred, then wont it be impossible for an estate owner to sell off the Open Spaces to another user?




On a side note, I talked with an estate owner and Linden Labs is telling them they cannot abandon their land. So they are stuck with it.

Ownership can be transferred. It is just that the payor and owner must be the same. Certain lease agreements have a different payor.

From what I read Jack Linden said in a town meeting, looks like YOU CANNOT sell Open Spaces....





So if they cannot be abandoned or sold, the Estate owner is screwed.

This means that only the owner must be the payor. Some people have arrangements where the payor is not the actual owner. An owner that sells in a full transfer to someone else is replaced by a new owner.

My Biz has been in the tank for the last 2 or 3 months. I closed yesterday and its a good thing because people arnt going to be buying houses if they have no land. I was renting an OS for my wife and I to live on, but I put it for sale today. I wont own or rent any more land in sl. I can see other biz's dropping like flys. Thanks sl for nothing.

I still suspect that toward the deadline they will allow grandfathering after a bunch of people dump their sims.

They would anounce it late in the game to trick people in dumping now than later.

well... i was about to rent a full lp sim too planned half private and half showing the houses i built... my partner and me was able to pay it, but not now anymore... and for SURE we stop ANY investment into sl now, because i learned from this, that you can't rely on LL/SL... i bought a lot of stuff for tenthousands of L$ for the planned business i WAS just starting. (and yes, i know a lot of people spent a lot more)

now what?

well... the main reason for me - starting with sl - was to build... i did... and maybe to sell my stuff...

but these changes are forcing me to drop my plans... why? well... 67% is [selfcensuring]... for sure a lot of ppl can't afford own land anymore, don't need houses, furniture, ...

for me it's easy... 67% more costs + a huge amount of less costumers = forget it

so i canceled a lp sim i was planning to move on tomorrow.

seriously... i won't build in overloaded sandboxes, just to fill my inventory... for sure...

so what else is left, if LL is REALLY doing it, starting january? for ME sl will reduce to a chat system with some 3D stuff, made by people with a lot of money only... and i'll lose a lot of friends who prefer to quit SL, instead of being homeless, because they can't pay that prices.

i see people around i know, emptying their sims, give it up... they're plain sick of it all... and i'm sorry, but i can understand them.

From the new blog post, I think Linden Labs might be reconsidering their decision.

For the majority of SL's residents, there is not only a 67% increase in this price, but the concomitant increase caused by the currency rates at the moment. With the US dragging the rest of the world's economies into the toilet, our exchange rates are now abysmal.

The $50USD increase now equates to a $90AUD increase per void sim - I can no longer afford to develop the story that was Numidia which was a creative project with no income, just my payment. I can't justify it now, even as a hobby. It's now too expensive.

So it is with great sadness for me and my build partners, that I will be abandoning Numidia and Zanth.