Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Im not owner of an OpenSpaceSim. But i can understand both sides. An open sim needs the same support, the same setup work and using theoretical the same traffic as an regular sim. So makes this per virtual qm more costly.

But i think that is not the point why people are a little bit aggravated. I think most of people would also pay 125 US$ per sim if that was the price on start this project. The problem is the unsteadiness in contracts. This is the point why RL companies are going out of secondlife. You can change the TOS on every day with every content you want, but this isnt the right base to invest much money in an system.

A good example for this is: Im solution provider, im advise companies who are interested in SL, i plan projects with them, implement this projects and administrate this after completition.
Some weeks before an german academy ask me about an entrance in SL with 2 - 4 regular sims. But i said: wait, system isnt ready for this, let us wait what lindenlab want to create with their virtual world. Should this be an further MMORPG like WOW or an real web 3D with real contracts.
I could also say: "Yeah, great idea, let us do this. For amount X you will become a great entrance to virtual world." But the problem is, if you change the contracts after finishing, raise the costs from one moment to an other, forbid X or Y, the customer will not get angry with lindenlab, he will be angry with me, because i have recommended this system. This will cost my RL customers, my RL image and my RL money. Thats not my business strategy, i like my customers and want to see them happy with my products.
So we will wait with investments. Wait for the day on which we know, LindenLab want to create a 3D web with steady contracts for making futurebased businesses.
So we are waiting for this moment and baking small buns.

1. I should NOT expect to lease a open space to anybody but to myself, as I cannot sell the land like I normally do for full prim regions?

2. I should expect some policing of my use of open space regions, despite the class 5 upgrade and 50usd more per month?

If I understand "No Owner switching for Openspaces unless it’s a full transfer of Payor." correctly, then open space regions will not be able to be abused as they once were.

Seems to me this is over-correcting the problem.

Craptastic!

I just came over here fulltime because developing for IMVU I was seeing too much of this kind of thing happening from the company, seems its a virus that is spreading throughout the VW..

I hate to break it to the guy I get my open sim from, but the price increase is going to make it no longer an option for me.


Did they hire staff from IMVU?

o_O

Once again we the people who have built and fed lindens little cash cow have been drawn in and blown out in little pieces.
How the hell are they being over used the prim allocation is 3750 ,any one here gone over their prim limit ? ,NO !!! CAUSE IT AINT POSSIBLE .
Lindens greed is obvious,i rekon all they see is the dollar signs ,thousands of these sims have been released do the maths they are charging us extra lots of open space sims lots of extra dollars for the greedy greedy people at LL .
SHAME ON YOU LINDEN LABS !!!!

We were about to launch 2 openspaces to continue our work promoting environmental awareness and sustainability. Now that whole project has been put on hold as a direct result of this announcement. Recant, now!

Not true. What you may be thinking of is that, if a Premium account holder fails to pay their premium fee, two things happen:

> The Premium account is lost (I don't know the timing on this; perhaps it gets scheduled for deletion, and there is one or more grace period; I've never done it). It does not revert to Basic; it is closed.

> Any land that is owned by that premium account reverts to LL when the account is closed.

If your account is in good standing, abandonning land does not affect it at all.
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It costs 200 bucks more a month to maintain 4 open sims then it does a a normal private sim? some how i don't see it... since you ALREADY own at least one sim so you get a direct line in to LL no matter if you have one sim or 100 sims you get the same support no matter how many sims you own... so what exactly is it that costs more.... 50 dollars a month more per 1/4 sim..

I trying to convert and get it out to PayPal

I never had one ounce of lag EVER on my OS island,in fact i have always found it a joy to come home to after being out in SL and experiencing bad lag
I have about 450 prims allowance left,don.t run any scripts to speak of

Just got off the phone with Concierge, and I was given 3 options, convert open spaces into full sims (which I've converted 10 full sims into openspaces in the last few months), abandon all my 80 sims, or transfer ownership (I assume sell them).

I asked if there was a higher level of support I could speak with and I was given the option to attend Jack's Thursday meeting. There were no other options as far as speaking with anyone at a higher level.

My tenants can barely afford 30k lindens a month tier on my open spaces. What makes you think they are going to afford this price increase. This is just absurd.

I have been in business in the real world for 20 years, and never have I seen such a poorly run company that stayed in business for any length of time as Linden Labs.

I am just now getting over the price reduction in early May which cost me 6kusd.

How I wish Linden Labs would get some real coorporate people inhouse to make some decent decisions we all can live with and not this extreme sway back and forth that leaves all estate owners scrambling for a new business plan overnight just to survive.

We are your bread and butter, stop the insanity.

I understand your frustration.

People who were using the Openspace sims for their intended purpose are the ones I DO feel sympathy for.

Thank you for entering a relevant discussion about a point I made instead of making it personal.

thanks to MONO the same resources will have an increased performance.
Why not work on facilitating the Scripts' recompiling even on NO Modify scripts, ( (though without giving viewing permissions to the user)?? This will make it easier for all residents to switch over to MONO without getting in touch with the script creator ( who might have left the Grid in the meantime)

An increase in the Void Sims price is not going to get the expected results. Instead it will flood the virtual land market even more, while so far the accessibility to such islands was keeping it afloat somehow.

I've been a resident of SL for a couple years now. The majority of my time inworld has been great.

A few times a week, I read the blog and the forums posts. I've noticed that as time goes by, residents of SL become more frustrated, more unhappy, and more all out pissed off.

I own land on the mainland. I don't own an open sim. So this decision doesn't affect me directly. And yet I'm still disgusted by it!! Its unbelievable the way LL treats its customers!! And these are the people who have helped, in an significant way, build LL's business!!!

I just went inworld, packed up all my belongings, and put my land up for sale. I refuse to support a company with such poor customer service and who treats their customers so horribly.

And now, I'm going to go find a different virtual world to play in. I'm done with Second Life.

Isabeau Conacher

You do know that openspace sims are not meant to be lived on, right?

not true .. i just cashed out... went through smooth as ..

For me is neccesary a refound for returned open sim.

In italian "Scordiamoci il Passato", and the Estate Owner and the Estate Manager can migrate in other virtual word like open grid or another.

I can't belive in Liden Lab in the future.

Please refound the returned open sim.

Give a opportunity to migrate in the trust grid and a trust virtual word with a trust person

Best regards.

This is going to hurt the sailing sims like USS and Sailors Cove. Many of their void sims are used for just that, voids: water, tiny islands with a few hundred prims (not thousands) and no scripts. Many of them were bought long before the prim cap was raised.
They have many void sims, and now each will go up $50 a month, possibly causing them to have to scale back their sailing area. As a former renter on one of their (Full-Prim) residential sims I am appalled at this move by LL.

Several of my friends happen to live on voids too, the max number of avatars ever to appear on these voids at one time have been around 6. Plenty of people are NOT misusing voids, but this move will hurt everyone, not just the troublemakers.

I dont normally post a reply, but i just had to..

Since being on SL since 2006 ive seen many changes mostly good all not with out some difficulty.I for my sins own 3 Full class 5 sims, and initially held the opensim idea as great i could compliment my 3 sims with maybe 1 opensim.

However within weeks it was noticable how many people were being suckered into buying these and thinking they were buy in a full sim..the amount of people suddenly willing to forgoe land on my sim and buy there "island" for shops and living" was impressive..

So much so that my land , as many others has dropped to almost 0L. why by a 16k parcel when i can have an island were the cries of joy...and just crys from many full simowners.

crys of unfair pricing from full sim owners went unheaded, crys of we cannot make money to supplement our island fees went unheaded..business plans died and new ones were born..the greedy island rental landowner was amongst us..oh joy of joys as within weeks my once lovely islands that were once islands then become effectivly mainland..oh joy as now sl never updated the map detail because there were so many..my private islands were now not very private.

i feel bad for those who were suckered into thinking they owned a full sim that was allowed commercial business, the information was as ever vague and open to abuse.

I do however lookforward to seeing the amount of opensims lower and private sims become private again.. Mr linden i do however think u must seriously look at ur whole pricing scheme for 2009.u cannot justify the prims/size per server u now have, 2009 and beyond is going to be hard times for all..look around..so my advice..stop..adjust ur whole pricing policy for ALL sims...do not rush into another 4months and then more changes..lets make 2009 a little easier in the virtual world huh?..rant over..

/Relax sl residence:
this is just a virtual online game like others, if you can afford you stay, if you cant still lots of choice in market....
oh, dont be a jer...., dont be a CEO like the wall street ...

Yes, at a cost of $100 per full sim.

I am no computer expert to be sure, but I have observed that almost all aspects of technology have grown in performance while falling in price continuously since the invention of the transistor.
Ten years ago, a system of servers, networks and software to run a Second Life-type system would have cost many more times than it does today. I have to laugh when I hear LL and other people talk about "too many scripts" and conservation of "prims", as though we were using up a limited resource like crude oil or something. This is the 21st century; the "Internet Super-highway"; "Cyberspace"; right? Give me a break! Computing power is rising, costs are falling, we are in a major recession and....LL claims they can't afford the horsepower to deliver services without INCREASING charges to their customers? Right. If SL had a real competitor, you can bet both of them would be charging about 1/10th as much for 10 times the sm/prims. Unfortunately, creative people are not always good business managers. I suspect such a situation may be going on here. Apple Computer had the same problem for a long time. A business-owner friend once told me that every happy customer MIGHT tell another person about their positive experience, but that an unhappy one will tell at least 10 people how angry they are. If this were an isolated incident, I wouldn’t even make this comment, but in my short life here I detect a pattern that is disturbing. It will be sad if SL becomes a footnote in the history of virtual worlds because of greed or foolishness. The potential was so great.

If Any Of You Wanna Discuss These With The Lindens Directly, Call The Number Below. It's Their Toll Free Concierge Phone Number... Let's Provide Em Some Feedback!

877-236-0711

its not the affording to stay..... its the loss in money paid people are pissed about. they are no better then the damn banks they banned.

We bought open land 2 plots a few months ago we were clear we were looking for a place that we can enjoy with our sl .. we love our land we dont abuse it we keep in the limits of our prims.. we dont use mega prims or anything to cause a lag. So why should we be punished cuz of the abuse... The tier we pay is what we can afford ... You will be forcing us to dump our land and go somewhere else...because of the tier increase... I say figure out another way to deal with those that abuse..and dont hurt those that dont.

If you find another virtual world Isabeau,please let us know,i'm sure there will be thousands interested