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Motion Michigan
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01-20-2009 06:54
Thanks for the information but it sounds like a whole lotta of "Who Shot John". I find it interesting that you never have a hiccup, database issue, outage, problems, etc... with charging your monthly fees. Maybe someone should talk to the fellas in the IT dept that deals with finance and see what they are doing correct.
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Shockwave Yareach
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Planning for the future
01-20-2009 07:15
Please consider a distributed model where you have one asset server for every 40 sim servers, and every user with home set to one of those sims has all its assets stored there. The only central server you need then, is a single directory of which asset serves hold inventory for which user, much like a DNS lookup is performed. A fundamental change, I admit. But it mirrors the successful implementation of the Internet overall, so there is evidence to support the theory.
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Petr Vanbeeck
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Those with paying accounts shouldn't be bumped
01-20-2009 07:24
I pay 300.00 a month for a private estate (and not easily...), and I know many people who pay more. Why can't the people that pay this insane amount of money to be a part of Second Life be allowed in before bots and non-paying members of SL? That seems only fair. Usually the people that pay monthly voice themselves about Second Life on the internet much more than the non-paying members. Good for publicity, and good for just all around fairness. I find it disheartening that I spend several hours in world working on packing merchandise for my store- and all seem normal - but when i got to take it back into my inventory - there has been an issue going with the database and no inworld announcements. I also find it frustrating that when i try to find news in the gridstatus page that it is never current or only has news after the incident has ended. Weekend slowdowns or slight hiccups are usually expected. But this has been ridiculous. I personally feel that bots should be banned - they eat up resources and usually render access to sims that have them useless. What good is generating traffic if you can't get paying customers to your sim. |
Shy Peart
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Paying Accounts!!
01-20-2009 07:27
I also pay 600 r/l dollars a month not counting my membership fees...and can't log in when all the free accounts and bots are logged in...something needs to be done to give paying accounts/tier holders first access to SL. We are beginning to wonder what's important to SL,
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Pie Psaltery
runs w/scissors
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01-20-2009 07:27
I am beginning to seriously wonder if a stable and reliable platform is something LL is capable of producing.
I was told in 2004 I should probably wait five years or so and things would get better. So I waited. Coz I love SL, really I do. But for whatever reason, five years later and this platform doesn't really perform that much better then it did five years ago. Should I be waiting another five years? |
Vivianne Draper
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01-20-2009 07:30
I am bold enough to say that I believe the non-paying members are the backbone of the SL economy. Don't believe me? Maybe all of us non-paying members who apparently don't contribute in any way to SL except to lock out paying members should stage a one-month boycott of all paid-account-owned businesses and services! Let's see how well they survive without us! Be careful what you wish for. Be REALLY careful! You are aware, of course, that SL existed long before they opened up registration to non-paying members and did just fine, and, as a matter of fact, the grid was much more stable. |
Nerolus Mosienko
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01-20-2009 07:43
I'm baffled: are there people here claiming that SL has a filter that lets in non-paying accounts while excluding Premium accounts? Tell me, because I am breathless to know, has LL also set up a system so that they can spy into Premium-account houses to see you crying at not being able to log-in, while you tear your dollar bills like lettuce? Sheesh! The kind of crap people seem able to believe is truly terrifying! And if the problem is queries to the database then of course the issues will come when there are high log-in numbers, since the queries will increase even more sharply. F.J. Linden did not say that the problems did not correlate with high concurrency, he said that it was not directly caused by high concurrency. The problem is not primarily bots or alts (I mean you are kidding, right?), it is people in SL doing stuff!. And who wants to stop that? That makes no sense. You must not be a premium account, I'm just guessing. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be any free accounts at all...but LL wants the traffic and publicity - they can't have that until they have real traffic. |
Linda Brynner
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01-20-2009 07:47
To LL i report an Island using traffic Bots on large scale.
Traffic bots are very easy to find in a region with the help of the minimap. I encourage everyone to report the region owner ( or one of the group land owners ) to LL when they find them. Hopefully they will take measures swiftly against the owners. Problem is, mostly they are one of the most visited and respected Islands very beautifully build, nice shops and crowd. I suppose LL will never take action against the owners for that reason. They spoil the fun for all the rest ![]() _____________________
Love, Linda
Land Store • Freebies • women Fashion http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rundlelawn/14/58/30 http://AboutLand.wordpress.com Beaches Mainland Protected, the best remaining in SL http://slbotblacklist.wordpress.com/ CNN iReports http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-205129 |
Hern Worsley
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01-20-2009 07:56
About Bots.
Bots themselves are actually quite an interesting use of SL ie automated "AI" lots of great potential applications for this lets not ban bots. The solution is to simply remove traffic as a system as its currently flawed and abused. Then there will be no point whatsoever in having vast numbers of "bots" or rather more likely alt accounts just to game your traffic ratings to gain more visibility in search. |
Paulo Dielli
Symfurny Furniture
Join date: 19 Jan 2007
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01-20-2009 08:00
Oh boy... And AGAIN today logins and in-world services are/were borked (see status page). Also LL's websites can be reached on and off. At this time of day?!! We are not even at peak hours! It's getting worse and worse.
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Maggie Darwin
Matrisync Engineering
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01-20-2009 08:04
Like the open source PostgreSQL, which is consistently rated well for reliability and considered more professional than MySQL? . If it were my call I'd be looking very, very hard indeed at PostgreSQL. But before you can even have *fantasies* about a migration, the data model has to be formalized and the schema optimized to the hotspot queries and that's what they're doing now. Sounds like they're on the right track to me. |
Maggie Darwin
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01-20-2009 08:06
Problem is, mostly they are one of the most visited and respected Islands very beautifully build, nice shops and crowd. ( If that were really true, they wouldn't need to scam the traffic system and minimap. |
Maggie Darwin
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01-20-2009 08:09
I am beginning to seriously wonder if a stable and reliable platform is something LL is capable of producing. I was told in 2004 I should probably wait five years or so and things would get better....five years later and this platform doesn't really perform that much better then it did five years ago. In my eyes there's little question it's more stable, even over the last year that I've been in-world. Now you're criticising it for not being more performant. Bit of a moving target there...but their focus is now on improving performance while preserving the stability gains. |
Maggie Darwin
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01-20-2009 08:20
Bots themselves are actually quite an interesting use of SL ie automated "AI" lots of great potential applications for this lets not ban bots. . There's all kinds of great AI applications possible without using bots. The vast majority of them would work just as well if they were built as a scripted object. The only two sets of people I hear screaming to keep bots are people who use bots to scam the traffic system and people who sell bots to the first set. Right now I'm wondering how much of Linden Research management might qualify as members of the first set...after all, traffic isn't just what's applied to search. It's also what Linden Research reports to the outside world; there's more than one "traffic system"... |
Ann Otoole
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01-20-2009 08:27
Disconnecting traffic from search will not remove accounts from Second Life that pay for picks. Paid for picks is what keeps the fraud operations on top now. So disconnecting traffic from search without dealing with pick fraud will harm legitimate honest areas of true interest.
Fraud is fraud. Linden Lab promotes fraud with search engine gaming opportunities. If Linden Lab wants to look clean they have to remove the gaming possibilities and delete accounts that try permanently. Linden Lab basically needs to adopt a strong sense of ethics where search is concerned by getting rid of the google appliance and basing searches solely upon the words used in the search criteria and then removing locations from search that use bogus keywords. Period. There is no nirvana. As for the topic of this thread I ask sincerely that we be notified of corrections made resolving the issues. I have halted work until I know the database is functional and quasi reliable again. There is no sense wasting time in SL unless the database is working reliably. So tell us when you fix it please. |
Ann Otoole
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01-20-2009 08:30
No, I've suffered the pains of replication with an Oracle implementation, though. Or are you talking about something unrelated to clustering (a word I will never again be able to think of without appending the great Anglo-Saxon Adjective that means "replication" to)? Yea Oracle is not for noobs or people with no database architecture expertise. That is a fact. And Oracle will not help a bad design. Only qualified competent professional enterprise architects can help shepherd change from a bad design to a good design. Then take your pick of databases. Most will work. Oracle will do better for massive installations over the long haul. Their track record proves it. |
Linda Brynner
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01-20-2009 08:33
If that were really true, they wouldn't need to scam the traffic system and minimap. I have evidence.. won't certainly publish those islands here. But it's true yes. Those traffic alts/bots are easy to find with the maps ![]() Some scam the map by teleporting their bots over to different static places in the region when you approach them, or at set timings. That kind of routine pattern behavior is easy to recognize too. They then appear as an arrow or dot at that other place. It needs a kind of witch hunting lol, but you find them... Oh ok, i admit i use a flying booster too... lol _____________________
Love, Linda
Land Store • Freebies • women Fashion http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rundlelawn/14/58/30 http://AboutLand.wordpress.com Beaches Mainland Protected, the best remaining in SL http://slbotblacklist.wordpress.com/ CNN iReports http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-205129 |
Argent Stonecutter
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01-20-2009 08:36
And Oracle will not help a bad design. Only qualified competent professional enterprise architects can help shepherd change from a bad design to a good design. Then take your pick of databases. Most will work. Oracle will do better for massive installations over the long haul. Their track record proves it. ![]() _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
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Graham Tuttle
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Not really Weekend outages
01-20-2009 08:51
A quick trawl through the Status page shows 2 days in January without Inworld issues most of the others resulted in login restrictions. I would hope that LL are now dealing with the infrastructure issues which have been around for some time.
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Linda Brynner
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01-20-2009 09:09
About Bots. Bots themselves are actually quite an interesting use of SL ie automated "AI" lots of great potential applications for this lets not ban bots. The solution is to simply remove traffic as a system as its currently flawed and abused. Then there will be no point whatsoever in having vast numbers of "bots" or rather more likely alt accounts just to game your traffic ratings to gain more visibility in search. Bots are also a factor that clutter logins and cause lag. 25% in SL are those these days... Bots are: 1 A huge bore for others... seeing avies not talking back at all or just say routine rubish. 2 They clutter the logins and cause lag majorly. 3 A potential scam and fraud method. SL letting 1 or 2 alt account to play with ok, but not having 6, 10, 20 or more. I draw the line at 3 logins per real user max. That kicks out 95% of the scam users. Will bring peak concurrent users back to ~60.000 and raise the chance to let everyone login majorly. _____________________
Love, Linda
Land Store • Freebies • women Fashion http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rundlelawn/14/58/30 http://AboutLand.wordpress.com Beaches Mainland Protected, the best remaining in SL http://slbotblacklist.wordpress.com/ CNN iReports http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-205129 |
Maggie Darwin
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01-20-2009 09:26
Yea Oracle is not for noobs or people with no database architecture expertise. |
Dytska Vieria
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01-20-2009 09:34
Or a finite software licencing budget. Speaking of that, how different it would be it there was the licen$ing factor. _____________________
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Proxima Saenz
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01-20-2009 09:52
I also pay 600 r/l dollars a month not counting my membership fees...and can't log in when all the free accounts and bots are logged in...something needs to be done to give paying accounts/tier holders first access to SL. We are beginning to wonder what's important to SL, Nobody forced you... You can easily become a ''free'' member and still run a store ![]() Besides, most of the free accounts do buy your stuff ![]() ---- BOTS: I keep telling, Linden lab should make a new policy that disallows it for a resident to use bots. Then, they can scan the sims for bots, and contact the owner of the bot that is violating this new policy. They can disable his or hers account, untill all the bots are removed from the sim. This takes a long long time, but in the end it works and the Grid is cleared ![]() |
Maggie Darwin
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01-20-2009 09:59
It's less "bad design" than "no design". ![]() I think we can agree that "no design", while understandable, is also "bad". It's also correctable, given sufficient time and effort. |
Ann Otoole
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01-20-2009 10:26
Linden Labs has made it pretty clear that their database has grown "organically". It's less "bad design" than "no design". ![]() I hereby acknowledge the point you are making. ![]() |