Further Conversation... with M Linden

There is nothing LL can do to make your Geo Metro perform like a Ferrari. It doesn't matter what people think sl is because it is a game as far as how it draws stuff on the screen and it needs hardware fast enough to do it. You can get a brand new card for $50US that will run sl just fine, or one a year or two old for even less that will still work fine.

Nobody's asking to have it perform like a ferrari, we're talking about keeping the Geo Metro from exploding when you pull out of the driveway.

My point is that most of these low end machines would run sl fine if they just had something better then the Intel integrated graphics chip they came with. Yes even ones two or three years old considering my 5 year old powermac G5 can run sl well.

But they don't and part of the core audience won't rush out to buy them when their machine has been running SL perfectly happily. In some cases you're talking of people whose machines are still under warranty and the warranty would be voided by such a move, never mind that plenty of people simply aren't comfortable changing a graphics card.

In the case of an education department, there's no way they're going to buy graphics cards halfway through the year to deploy in machines to keep Second life running, their budgets don't work that way.

They don't have the option (you can't stick a V8 [graphics card] in a Geo Metro [laptop]) and they were already driving the Geo Metro [running SL] before LL laid down the land-mines.

I understand where you guys are coming from but I think the real solution is for LL to quit deluding people and raise the minimum requirements. Even the pre windlight clients had trouble running on 4+ year old machines yet LL says it will run on 7+ year old machines. ( Consider an Intel graphics chip to be about 4 years older then it is)

I actually agree with this, although it seems on the face of it misleading it allows LL to discard the bottom tier of hardware in a less painful manner.

Ahh yes, that makes sense, translated what you mean is, LL should tell a lot more people " dont even bother trying, your aincient piece of rubbish is not going to run SL. If you want to play with us, you have to go out and spend real money sucker ".

That makes total sense, since they dont actually want customers really, they just want beta testers to see how fast they can make things run. LL really are getting more like MS every day

Have you even tried running sl on the minimum system requirements? I have, I spent the first three months of my secondlife on a machine that barely met them. On a _very_ good day I'd get 3fps while standing around waiting 2 hours for things to rez (not a joke). Then i upgraded to the _recommended_ system specs and got 7fps while standing around waiting an hour for things to rez. Honestly if the firstlook viewer hadn't come in Jan 07 with it's vastly improved rez times (down to 15min woot) I probably would have left sl for good.

I used SL on dialup for 2 weeks once every TP was a crash, I just got the hang of logging out after every TP, got a kick arse computer too but it couldn't run SL on anything but minimum due to the 56k connection, I could chat ok and see inventory after staying in one place for an hour.
I recently tried minumum settings just for comparision and it looks like 1980 Commodore64 graphics and wasn't any faster either...............

and still...no word from M.....


LL is trying to look like a James Bond novel, but looking more and more like "Get Smart" instead .......

LOL!

Ooo, I want to be <8D~ Linden. But then again, that's still just one letter.

According to those 2 at recent mentor's meeting, the blog is being redesigned again.

But lack of communication during the redesign process, with 2 posts in the last three weeks is like LL telling us:

"We have given the grid monkeys a month off while the Devs work on the next incarnation of the server code, so if regions go down, don't bother calling us till the whole system fails"

OH Well, looks like M. got bored on the flight across the pond, or when he got to his hotel room. I love his last line of his 19th October blog post

"Thanks everyone; hope to see a lot of you across the pond."

Conference registrations already closed, before posting the blog. How helpful is that !!!! So as usual he is only interested in meeting with people of like mind who are deeply involved in "Virtual Worlds London event". I assume as registration is required, it will be all the Virtual World Geeks he will be mixing with, not his SL customer base. No hang on a minute it probably is his potential customers.....they just want the architecture of SL to get their own lame alternatives up and running. And it is an easier ride for M. to sell programming rather than to try and satisfy his current customer base.

As it looks like he has his laptop with him, let him try to "play" SL while on this side of the water and see what us "Euros" have to complain about every single day.

But hey congratz to LL for breaking 70K online, now there is so much lag with 2 "agents" on sim that it takes 5 minutes to change a single texture.

I miss the Grid Monkeys...........................

It sounds kinda 007

I think the "M" stands for missing...

-Atashi

Get those survey machine places off the grid if you haven't already. I think that would be a real improvement.

When is the last time a Linden showed up in this thread?

September 30th, I believe.

-Atashi

why is this thread here when there is another group of threads to respond to blog posts?

dead dead dead!!!

waiting for blog re-animation....

True!

Maybe there has already been a Mark Linden.


Torley vids have been moved to this location:
http://secondlife.com/showcase/tutorials/

(Katt posted this info today in the Blog Revamp blog.)

Hmm, probably because we knew you would read this here if it were elsewhere you wouldn't have had the chance to reply and show how much you really care

The M stands for Missing
It's been 4 weeks now since M posted anything on his forum thread. Further conversation WITH M Linden. At one point, briefly, I thought ok, he's a busy guy, working long hours and all... but then I remembered that I'm busy too, I work long hours, but I still find time to come to the forums and post now and then. And SL isn't even vaguely related to my career.
So, after seven posts, in which Mr. M responded to messages that were complimentary to him and Linden Lab, he has not returned once, and certainly not responded to any of the questions that weren't at least prefaced with a compliment.

The M stands for Mature
As in, your customers who have been with you for more than an hour? I hear a lot of talk about making SL better for newcomers, improving that first hour experience. How about some talk about making SL better for those who've already demonstrated their committment to your company and its platform? How about increasing the free 512m tier every year? Been premium for a year, now you get 1024m free. Second birthday? Now you get 1536m free. Been concierge-level a year? Let's give you 10% off of your island fees. Concierge 2 years? Make it 20% off. Any of this make sense? Reward your loyal customers, don't ignore them.

The M stands for Make-Believe
As in, we all know the numbers are made-up. 60,000 online? We *know* some of them are bots. We don't know how many. Speculation is as high as 30,000 are not real people, but automatons. Linden Lab's refusal to officialy acknowledge or discuss it just leads us to believe that the number is on the high end, rather than the low end. Same goes for the other numbers. 15 million individual accounts? How many are alts? How many logged in once then never again? How many never even logged in once?

The M stands for Mwwwwah!
Appearantly if you want any chance of the top Linden answering your question or acknowledging your comments, you better open with a kiss.

The M stands for Mysterious
The last thing we did hear from our fearless leader was on the blog, where he posted that he's attending a RL conference about Virtual worlds - and although he claims to be looking forward to seeing and meeting us there, he didn't actually publish the information until it was far too late for anyone to take him up on that offer.

The M stands for Mainland
After all, they're dumping lots more of it on an already-glutted market. But the new stuff is shinier and they've spent lots of man-hours making it prettier and more attractive than the old mainland...where the roads were never finished, where land-extortion still runs rampant, where people are faced with continually-declining land values, but the tier remains the same. The new double-prim stuff is going to help make it easier for the folks on the boring older continents to unload their plots....isn't it?

The M stands for Money
As in, we've already got yours, now go away and be quiet. At least, that's the impression that they're giving. Linden Lab does seem to have a longstanding reputation of talking a lot, but not really listening or acting. Anybody remember Project Open Letter? Do the Lindens remember it?

The M stands for My World, My Imagination, My Rules
It's their world, we just live in it and pay for it. They can and do change the rules any time it suits them, and with the absense of firm well-written policies on a lot of things, it means that every scenario can have a different outcome depending on which Linden happens to be there at the time and what kind of mood their in. And yeah I know we all agreed to this in the TOS but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

The M stands for Meh.
As in, please direct all your responses into a forum thread where you can air your comments and complaints and ask those difficult questions, and then feel better because you think someone's actually paying attention. Really though, it's a convenient way to let the customers share their gripes without anyone from LL needing to get too involved.

-Atashi

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Hi, neighbors.

It os pretty much the same with Jack Linden. He announced a 67% hike in the tier fees for Openspace sims and then invited a discussion about it with him. He never posted 1 comment in the discussion. And then sometime between my going to bed and logging back in, he deleted some 30+ pages of comments from some extremely angry, extremely sad, extremely frustrated SL dwellers and locked the thread. Their pitifully lame excuse is that a few people had been abusing the light usage terms for OS land. So they punish almost the entire population for the actions of a few is basically telling us what they are doing. (Personally, I think it is a cash grab perhaps not on the same scale as oil company cash grab, but with the same pathetic mentality)

If that's the actions that Lindens are taking I cannot see why anyone would want to continue pouring their hearts into developing things in SL. One lady's husband died and she had built a memorial for him on the sim they shared. It is simply heartless arrogance from a company that used to have a decent product.

From now on I will swallow the hundreds (US) I spent on flowers, trees, textures, house, furnishings, etc., give as much as I can away, and will be homeless. I already cancelled my premium membership. If I ever see a Linden inworld I will likely orbit the flunky and break their attachments. I knew sooner or later the gadget I bought would be used.

It is powerful and I bet you don't feel it. Many many many people have made comments, suggestions, ideas, criticisms, etc. about this latest jab in the eye of your customers. I doubt you will be getting much of anything for praise until you people grab a clue and decide to SERVE the customers rather than SCREWING them.

There's an axiom that says, "There's a sucker born every minute". Well, I will amend this axiom to say, "There are a§§holes born every minute", too, and apparently Lindens are made of the same material as the troglodytes that run Utherverse (RLC).

And if I was a Linden, I would be scuttling under the nearest rock in the swamp as well.