Further Conversation... with M Linden

I have ATI HD3870 and C2D E6600. In games I play I get close to 100 fps at max settings (and these are not old fps games I am talking about, but graphically heavy MMOs). In Second Life I get 15 fps with same resolution. Hello Houston, do we have a problem here?

15 is still not all that bad, specially considering what SL does, everything created on the fly, no pre-processed stuff, everything can be changed at any given moment etc

be happy you can still run SL, many people are having negative fps out there

Ah, I see that you did not read my previous post to this thread: Viewer leaks so much memory that it crashes in 15 mins due to running out of memory. When it crashes it is using 1.6-1.8GB of memory...

I do not know about you, but for me 15 mins between crashes is not very usable.

sorry, my memory sucks for names among other things :/

but still, there are people havign it worse than you (though your case is still not acceptable either)

Ted,
Try Rocking Horse Records, 245 Albert St, Brisbane for vinyl - they've been there for years and a quick search of their website suggests they still carry a lot of vinyl.
People did complain when VHS and vinyl went by the wayside - I was one of them!
The reasons were less about quality (CD is no comparison to the rich. warm sound of clean vinyl) and more about cost efficiencies.
But there's nothing surer than change and at some point a company like LL has to make some tough decisions about what platforms they support as those systems become obsolete.
Like many, I believe it may be too soon to eliminate the old viewer that worked on old machines.
Thankfully CoolSL will offer some hope to those in that situation and the writing is on the wall to upgrade their hardware soon.
Given the widespread use of the old client, it seemed a little hasty of LL to enforce the upgrade with no warning and it's my understanding this was done to avoid anyone actually using the security vulnerability that was identified.
I believe LL would want as many people to be able to use SL as possible and the limitations are inherent in such a complex graphic heavy application.
We all want SL to be the best game in town and to achieve that there are unfortunately going to be some casualties.
Best of luck to all of you suffering out there.

LL cannot be seen as endorsing individual shops; that's completely unacceptable.

1) No more one-letter first names for Lindens, please.
2) Eliminate Traffic from all Search metrics.
3) Since you're revamping the Mentor program now anyway, why not assign individual Mentors to specific Welcome Areas/Infohubs and allow them basic guardianship abilities on those parcels, like Ban/Eject, to eliminate griefing?

That's all I can think of right now, but thanks for posting to the Forums. It really makes a big difference.

Just curious: At this stage, are there any Lindens at all reading this thread? There's two weeks of comments, suggestions, and questions from the customers, since the last post from Mr. M.

There have (IMHO) been a lot of great comments and important questions, it would be nice to at least know that the people who are supposed to be conversing with the customers, are at least reading what we are taking the time to write.

-Atashi

Sorry Oryx and Atashi, I think you have made a mistake, you seem to be under the impression that LL care about what we write here??

Ooops, nope, this is just where they pushed us weeks ago so that they could get on with playing ping pong and drinking java whiles someone loaded assets onto a USB memory stick and moved them over to the new ZX81 with the upgraded 16 RAM pack.

There have been no official comments for weeks, No blog posts, and the only way that you will find if anyone is lestening, is to say something that will get your post censored, for instance say something that is not a glowing compliment about LL. For instance.
"LL are a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes."

This will probably be removed since I see that LL has had a humour bypass fitted recently.

Indeed, I have a strong suspicion that they pay lip service now and then in hopes it will keep the masses placated, and that the majority of the customers' posts in this "Linden Links" section will never be seen by Linden eyes. However, I am clinging to a thin hope that I am mistaken, that they are reading and listening to their customers.

On the off chance that someone from the Lab is reading these, I'll just comment that the only reason I'm making these posts now and then is that I enjoy SecondLife and I care about it. If I didn't care, I sure wouldn't be wasting my time following these threads and posting on them now and then. Not that I am implying that Linden absence = Linden apathy, or anything.


-Atashi

It's starting to sound a bit like the summer on 2007 when we had a 2000 approx signature petition, before someone began listening !!!!

Project Open Letter.... yeah. Lots and lots of signatures, including a great many long-term contributors, if I remember right. It seems to me that Linden Lab immediately had a town hall or made a blog post or something, then just as quickly, swept the whole thing under the rug and it hasn't been mentioned again.

-Atashi

The problem is that SL is a dictatorship, they know that the only way we can have any effect is by leaving and taking our money out of the system, and since that means that we will not even see if it has any effect, LL knows we wont do that, so we are stuck in a world much like RL, where our rulers set the laws and then just leave us to get on with it.

How can you tell a dictator to change the rules, he made the rules and they suit him.

if all of the big players left SL, the world would carry on, the buildings are there, the lanscaping is done, LL just dont care and why should they.

Welp,me and my various avs have been in sl a long time,, is just going down hill now days,, the land is just there for the picking which ruins ne kind of business potential, the lose of pop places has not been a succesful move, as 80% of "average" sl'ers just want it back cos it was more acurate as opposed to dodgy built places that are constantly in showcase that are of no interest to anyone but egyptian sculptors. The new client stinks. All in all, LL is once again showing that they may open forums but all in all they dont give what is wanted, they agree with the same 10 people that are always in these forums and also anything that benefits them. Laters

There's supposed to be a big hiring of Linden staff, so if they do use one letter names, they will run out shortly. Assuming they stick to uppercase English letters. I suppose they could use non-English characters, that way, in addition to not being able to search for their names in the forum search or the inworld search, most of us English speakers wouldn't be able to type them or pronounce them.

I support the no more one letter Linden names.

Totally agree with Showcase must go as favoritism will always prevail there i am sure.

in reply to the other points:

1) Would be easier then when searched
2) I hope that this goes real soon as a search metric. They could leave it in for plot owners to see what traffic is but remove it please LL from the search metric.
3) A very bad idea giving Mentors any powers whatsoever like this as there are some that will definitely abuse this. as for assigning Mentors to specific areas, well that could work although we are all volunteers and LL dictates enough as to what we can and can't do already. I think scrape the Mentor program altogether and encourage groups in game to help the new folks, via the new Resident Help Network, or maybe this is the way LL are heading now, we shall see. When i started we didn't have help islands just a quick orientation then straight into game it made me learn fast

Yeah thanks M for posting on the forums but why the silence now?????

Oooh, I want to be "☸ Linden", or maybe "ༀ Linden"!

I had a thought without knowing where else to post.....

I think it would be an exceptional idea for LL to give prim exemptions for Linden trees and plants. Not only would this allow owners of small parcels to decorate without prim usage, it would encourage beautification of the inworld experience.

~ghostlymo

Plenty of one character Linden names available:

☺☻♥♦♣♠•◘○◙♂♀♪♫☼►◄↕‼¶§▬↨↑↓→←∟↔▲▼

Half of my prim usage is because of trees and grass and ferns. If Linden plants didn't count towards prim usage that would be one of the best things ever.

Plants in SL are very very few and far between. I would hazard a guess that over 90% of SL is devoid of greenery.

custom plant models (includng textures) that behaved and swayed like Linden plants would be an wonderfull addition

What, you can't read Tibetan?

They need to take a bit of interest in some of their more enthusiastic sectors though, education being a prime example because education won't keep up with hardware changes like this, especially halfway through the school year.

Then there's the issue that plenty of people don't consider Second Life as a game and won't have gaming specs, and again these sort of customers won't be rushing out to buy heavy hardware.

It really is in Linden Lab's interests to develop a lite viewer.

"Second Life - Safely Lite"
(anyone feel free to use that name if it is for a free open-source viewer for SL (as long as that name doesn't go against the policies about names of stuff related to SL of course

Only for the teen grid though, seeing everywhere else residents should be over 18.

Education deals with people over 18