What the hell happened to RC??

I'm not happy about the new RC client especially when you are forced to upgrade from the previous version.

Problems found so far although probably already mentioned before:

-the progress bar when teleporting / quitting etc isn't centralised to my screen it's a little to the left side and very noticeable with the text above it.

- unable to cut and paste stuff from another application (in this case Firefox) and yet I could paste stuff into notepad.exe with no trouble.
It seems I have to cut and paste something in the SL client before I can actually start to use cut and paste with data from other applications.

- Unavailable images profiles/groups display a "?" image instead, good idea however it has a habit of flashing briefly for profiles or groups with actual images to show before they load which is kind of annoying.

- Last problem: the pie menu from right click has changed for the worse, I really hope someone has a good explanation for the logic behind this.

For example why is it when I want to edit an attachment or HUD am I offered the following useless options: Groups, Profiles, Appearance, Gestures, Friends and "More" (Detach / Edit are stored in the More section only).

If you mean that you are being forced to go from a 1.22.x version to a Release Candidate then something is wrong. I am routinely using a 1.22 client without problems, and am not being told to run a release candidate.

So what client version are you running that it is forcing you to upgrade?

That happens when we are too lazy to install the official viewer...you get forced downloaded because it thinks you need a newer RC version. The final 1.22 is the same as the final 1.22 RC, except for the fact that when the 1.23 RC came out, the RC version forces you to upgrade...

It's not that the lab thinks the user needs to use the latest RC. It's that the lab KNOWS it needs the user to use the latest RC. (=_=)

Release candidate products, in all industries, are a development tool to benefit the developer. Not some freebie upgrade/gift to the masses. You should only consider running in the RC in order to aid the development/debug process so that the final product will be its best and try out the new features with the proper understanding that they're not fully functional just yet. (=_=)

Release Candidate doesn't mean "This is what's working now". It means "This is what we hope will work by release time." (^_^)y

The only reason I used the RC version of 1.22 was because my new nvidia card was not rendering clothing right, and it was ticking me off.

Right now, I don't have a reason to run the RC because the main purpose of 1.23 is to deal with the adult content crapola....

I've been using the RC versions because I find they run better and more stable than the official client on my machine. I understand RC is unsupported and only for testing purposes but the problems in this release are so bad I really wonder how it was allowed.
It's also annoying you cannot roll back to earlier versions it's not like running older clients are going to do serious harm to Second Life or my hardware.

You want to roll back to the last 1.22 RC? Use the current stable client. Same thing.

^^ That. (^_^)

1.22.RC11 got released as 1.22.11. No changes were made at the point of release. What really confuses me is why they kept the RC active while releasing it at the same time. It wasn't as rushed out as 1.21.xx, though some known bugs were left in. Maybe 1.23.xx WAS the reason after all. (>_<

If you're going to run an RC, please benefit everyone by running the latest and reporting what problems it has in the Jira. That way there can at least be a driving force behind corrections for these problems. Resolved or not, SL is more beautiful and stable as a result of user input during the open development cycles of the client/server. (^_^)

... I wonder... Why the lack of "The beta grid sucks!" posts in the forums? Really, it's the same thing, ain't it? Just, more difficult to access. =^-^=

"If you're going to run an RC, please benefit everyone by running the latest and reporting what problems it has in the Jira. "

Nope, sorry but I don't JIRA the obvious.

Altho I'm rather pissed that when changing the Cache directory, that the RC has a tendency to delete all the files in 'My Documents' !!!!!!!

Huh?

The Jira is more or less useless for the user, thousands of unresolved issues there, and it is more or less ignored by LL. A nice idea, but a waste of time as it is handled now. Workingonitlinden.

And yes. RC 1.23 is one big bug, and if LL employees did not recognise all the OBVIOUS major bugs and showstoppers BEFORE releasing it, it would be a proof for total incompetence. I am sure they DID recognise them, and this piece of alpha was ONLY released cause of the obviously emerging adult content clean up.

"Release Candidate" is a daring description, this is more like some first look test viewer, in fact.

Well...the thing is... they don't really have people test the viewers that much. What I mean is, they don't hire leagues of 'game testers' to do that. They have the development team, which does look for bugs to some degree, and then they have the JIRA, where things should be reported.

Obvious to the normal user does not mean obvious to LL, at all. Especially considering many bugs depend on the platform, hardware, and other variables... not everything is reproducible with every machine.

It's also important to remember that the Lindens really don't "USE" the platform. Oh sure, they dabble in it, the same way that your mom has an email address for you to send her pictures of her grandkids.

They log on for meetings, but their meetings are in voice. A few of them have office hours, but they sit in a chair and type for 45 minutes and then vanish. They have avatars, but look at them... for the most part they're prefabbed avatars or noobish atrocities like Philip. They don't build and script, they don't play and work, they don't buy and sell and live and love in the same world we do.. not on the every day, every way level that we do.

It might be months before a linden interacted with any scripted device that used llGetInventoryName for example (broken on the http-in regions on the beta grid). So it takes a resident, using some tool, to run into the bug and go "hey, this is broken, wtf".

We're the ones who notice that the number of lights just got cut in half. We're the ones who notice that the x-axis of sculpt flipping isn't nearly as helpful as z-axis would be. We're the ones who have intimate knowledge of the risks of content theft. They focus on making the functions work, but they simply have no experience of how these functions are or will be used.

So while it's nice to say that they need to test things more.. the fact is that they're really not QUALIFIED to test it properly. They just don't have the experience to do so. Heck, they don't even have an official specification for the scripting language.

That applies to most Lindens, but not all. I can tell you that there are a few who do spend time in world, who do build. Many also have alts that they use to avoid being constantly bothered by questions.

The version I had was 1.23.1 apart from the issues I've already mentioned its was very slow at rendering images and in some cases certain avatars were invisible apart from their hair.
I'm happy to say I've gone back to using RC 1.22.11 I hope they will sort out the bugs because I really cannot use it.
In case you were wondering to disable the forced updates just modify the "-channel" string inside the desktop shortcut.

Just upgraded last nite and it is a nightmare. Can hardly move around, my voice has disappeared although Preferences says it is on (no more white circle on my head), my textures never clear up and my sculpties look horrific. How can I run a store lilke this. Is there anything I can do other than get a new pc. Everything was working just fine before this. Now I may have to quit.

Why did you remove the only useful feature in YEARS?? IMs were hidden in main chat and now the spam is back. WHY??!

It is my favorite feature too... go to the Communications tab in Preferences, the third box down is Include IM in background console, uncheck the box... fixes it right up!

This isn't going to be a productive comment but the new RC really sucks. I haven't had a problem with the RC viewer in forever, but today I have had nothing but issues.

CHANGE PIE MENU BACK please ;s

I STILL cannot load 1.23.2 on my laptop.....desktop is fine.....have had no issues with previously RC's....I have reported this via crash dumps several times....the client gets to "Loading World" and just dies.....so on my laptop I just have to continue using the official version....sucks.....

I have been consistently using the RC viewer over the past year as my primary viewer (and have the main release viewer installed only so its available in case i need it).

I can tell you that as of RC 1.23 that of course LL forces upgrades on, I have abandoned the RC viewer and gone back to the Main viewer. Not only because of the new Adult Content enforcement that LL is already using in the RC but also becuase of its instability (my viewer would inexplicably close/crash with no hint it was going to happen - i.e. not even freeze prior to crashing - and happening a couple times a night), the stupid changes to the AVI PIE MENU for who knows what reason, the ALPHA graphics bugs (i.e. the snowy white eyelashes prob), and then THE HUGEEE LAGGING!!

OMG with the RC1.23, the lagging is totally unworkable. Standing on a sim, objects takes minutes to rez and get clear, then you turn your view in another direction where more objects need to rez, then turn back to the direction that you thought had already rezzed and these objects are again needing to be rezzed. When I go to the main viewer, none of this happens!

Also, some of the neat new features have not been fully thought through. The one I really was excited about until I tried using it is the BULK PRIM PERMISSIONS SETTING feature, where you can now from one menu set all the permissions of all components on a prim (i.e. scripts, textures, etc.). Where it falls short and where it would have been the most powerful was that this great feature does not work for CONTAINER prims (prims that are used to store many other prims). I use container prims to store all my TOYS REALISTIC WATER PRIMS and sell as a pack. Each of these prims have scripts and textures. I wanted to change the permissions of all the scripts of all the prims in that container prim and it would not do it. TOO BAD - that would have been so powerful for merchant builders like me.

I will wait until RC 1.24 is out before even looking at it again, but with the Adult Content integration, I will likely not make it my primary viewer again.

And JIRA to report bugs...as was said in this thread, JIRA seems to have become nothing more than a place for frustrating LL customers to desperately get support for all the bugs in the LL products and give them false hopes that LL development is actually servicing the JIRA issues. Most of the JIRA issues never get resolved. I use to spend a ton of effort in the JIRA to assist LL Development, but its a waste of time.

OK time to get off this soapbox.

I am really confused now. How do you get back to the Main Viewer. Do not understand this part of SL. If someone could point me in a direction to read up on this would be most grateful.

Carrina,

Its actually simple. The Main Viewer is a seperate installation than the RC viewer. You can install both viewers as each of them are sinstalled in their own directory in your PC.

I have 2 SL viewer ICONs on my desktop. one called SECONDLIFE and the other is my SECONDLIFE RC 1.xx

If I click on the RC install, then I go into the RC viewer program - and if LL has released an update to this RC viewer - they FORCE an upgrade. You cannot ignore an RC upgrade as they simply wont let you log into the grid until you upgrade the RC.

With the Main viewer, upgrading it is OPTIONAL as LL does not force you to move to the newer releases of the main viewer.

hope that helps.

Not exactly. The RC shares application data with an existing viewer and as such screws up settings. If you don't know how to properly clean up the sh*t you may end up with a not working SL on your machine.