Rolling Restart for 1.30.1

RR starting today?




Because the number of accounts with the last name Linden (400) is approximately equal to the number of people who work there, and the VPs have avatar pictures on their management page?

http://lindenlab.com/about/management
http://lindenlab.com/about/management

There's no list, but when you're in the Preview grid (Aditi), you can go to the Help->About Second Life menu and it will tell you what version is running. More details, with pictures, here:


Right now 2/3 of the regions are the new version (1.30.1.135015), so you should find one pretty quickly.

More verbose release notes sure would be nice! Just look at the difference between the current "BETA" release notes and the 1.27 server release notes. References to what JIRA's have been fixed, new addons, etc - where are they? Or, is it that there's just not much happening with new server versions?

Possibly a bit easier said than done - LL works off an internal JIRA system, not the one we see.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to see more info on what's being worked on and fixed - just that it might not be as easy as it sounds to gather it all up.

ok, but what makes you think they USE them?

The last bunch of decisions made by LL strongly hint at them not knowing that much about "Life in Second Life".

I never said they used them, I was replying to your comment "and you think the LL VPs have SEcondLife accounts WHY?". As far as living in this world we created and understanding what we do here, I agree, a lot of the high-ups have a different picture than we do.

They are running a business, whose main sales come from land tier. The decisions they make make sense from that standpoint. They may not be correct, but they make sense.

If they think rampant adult content is preventing *new* users from coming here and buying land, the adult changes this summer make sense, so long as the expected land added from new users exceeds the land lost from pissed off existing users. Whether that expectation is correct or not, time will tell. Businesses often make moves that turn out to be wrong.

The lack of zoning in Second Life when it was first created mystified me. When you look in real life, you see it all over in land use, both in enforced rules, and in selling/renting land. People pick a particular place for its special features. Not many choose "random free-for-all" as a location on purpose, but that's the way the mainland was set up for years.

With the growth of estates, you started to see specialized areas - roleplay sims, quiet residential islands, etc. Now they are getting it and following along - Sailing areas, adult area with both dense city and less dense surroundings.

With the viewer, lots of user options, good. With the website, one size fits all -bad. Why they made the transactions history narrow with lots of vertical whitespace when most of us have wider monitors, I dunno.

But don't expect that the people running a business like this will have the same goals as the typical users. Even if they understood us perfectly, their job is to grow the business and make a profit, not make us happy. If making us happy results in growth and profits, that's a nice result for us, but it is not required of them.

Hopefully this server rollout goes smoothly, and it actually makes things better.

Agreed. When Prospero was doing the RR's, there was a lot more info provided. They were doing it back then, now they aren't.

Thanks for the feedback Dytska! Unlike some things discussed in here, I am completely responsible for the release notes and will try to make them as descriptive as possible, including links to related wiki pages and JIRAs. In this case all of the changes were related to issues with no public JIRA ticket, so there are none referenced.

In general the "point releases" (1.30 -> 1.30.1) will only contain minor fixes and tool updates. Expect more/bigger changes when the minor version increases (1.30 -> 1.32).

Hope that helps!

So, I had the pleasure/horror of seeing the mountain of work on the development road map. The issue underlying SVC-4196 is on it, scheduled for the second quarter next year.

If you want to discuss the issue further the best venue would be Andrew Linden's office hours:

Second quarter? Ok, that's cool. That's only, what? Nine more months of rubber-banding for 30 seconds when someone TP's in?

One confusing example from 1.30 is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4805. Just a few days before the rollout, the JIRA was closed with a note that the different divide by zero behavior in Mono was intentional. Under 1.30.0.133784 we suddenly get a runtime error but the PJIRA was not updated to reflect this. Was this one of the "miscellaneous other changes" or a new bug?

/me blinks.

LL is going to leave it like this for a year? It's not April 1st, Lil.

I think Andrew already knows I'm pissed off about this. Who else can I yell at? Do PJIRA votes actually do anything?

edit: and TY for checking on it. I think that's the most we've heard from any Linden about this bug.

edit edit: and this isn't development, Lil - this is an ugly regression.

Well, that's my point! Since 1.27 there have been uninformative Release Notes of what was fixed, changed or added. The release notes for 1.30 are marginal if that. Granted there was no 1.28 or 1.29, I hope the message is clear. It has always been some detective work to figure out what is going on with the new releases. Before, a little investigative work could point to the cause of a new problem, but now we are in the dark.

Builders and Script Writers have a sincere interest in what is happening with Viewer and Server updates. We have come to expect the service of being informed and lately, that service has faltered. For a VERY GOOD example:



We also Watch The JIRA and give our best to help solve the problems. But when these problems are ignored or what seems deemed unimportant by LL and put on the back plate until SECOND QUARTER 2010 ( http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4196 and http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895 ), it then becomes very frustrating.



As Sindy reacted, I do as well. What!? This serious issue is not even schedule until for another 6-9 months! Does that mean it is supposed to be fixed by then or LL is going to start looking at the problem? If there was any more serious issue with the service than that bug and its related bugs, I sure would like to know. When the mono rezzing bugs started showing up, that should have triggered a roll-back to a more reliable version. Granted the MONO problems didn't show up right away, but because of inaction, these bugs are causing serious performance problems.

I am beginning to understand why some of the Classic and Older Builders and Scripters of SL just simply GAVE UP and left. I do not want to and plan never to go that route. We (Those still standing) are with you, want to help and hope that priorities align with what is important to your creators and customers.

-- Dytska

you can't be serious? NEXT YEAR? you DO realize that ANY VENUE in SL that has more than 5 people there slwos to a DEAD CRAWL, impending movement, and interactions. How is ANY BUSINESS supposed to STAY in business if your customers LEAVE because of the lag? *shakes my head*

Yelling doesn't EVEN begin to ease the frustrations.


~Brie

so a bug bad enough to cripple the whole SL experience to the degree of making imvu and there.com look interesting will stay around for a full year before someone even looks at it?


great work, guys.

Yer supposed to make believe it isn't happening. Close your eyes and take your self to a happy place.

While remembering how important it is to pay your tier. But your Sim performance is deemed un-important

Now breathe deep. deep breaths. Can you feel the wonderful sim breeze? .

As annoyed as I am at this bug, please remember that Lil isn't the one that introduced this bug or the one that made the decision where it goes on the schedule - Lil is the one that went and checked it out for us.

nope. That's not going to work. My estate is unusable. It is not at all the product we bought. I suggest this problem is moved to the top of the tangled road map.

I am not going to pay for this crappy performance. Fix it. Or loose 12k usd a year.

Edit. Frustrations not aimed at you in anyway, Lil. Thankyou for the information and please pass my message to Andrew.

I do want to say thanks for letting us know in advance the odd or even regions being restarted . That is a huge help! Allows us to make better plans and be prepared. Thanks a lot LL!!.

But please fix sim performance so we don't have to baby sit our regions 24 hours a day waiting for it to totally freeze up and never recover.

bangs head on desk in frustration

Hey Lil THANKS for checking on that bug and letting us know!!

Hello Lil, I appreciate your honest answer -- allthough I don't like the content.

You are literally saying that we will pay for the crippled sim performance caused by SVC-4196/SVC-3895 for another 6-9 months (eventually more)? That we will deliver a poor experience to our visitors/customers/guests, that we will have to continue to restart our sims every 1-7 days (depending on the traffic) or bug our estate managers to perform a restart, that we will loose sales and visitors because people can hardly move, ... *add more annoying side effects here*
Does LL really believe people continue to pay US$195-US$295 + 11%-21% VAT every month for something that is broken for over 7 months now and will continue to be broken for another 6-9 months? I (and many others) have tried to be constructive and when those problems started we worked with Prospero and Vector to help figuring out what caused it. We spent a lot of time on that. It looks like we have reached a dead point and have to deal with the effects or draw consequences.
Very disappointing ...

It seems the rolling is taking some time...I still get the message can't connect to a simulator.

Some regions (and therefore the sim they live on) take longer to shut down if they have lots of objects rezzed on them. The region state information ("simstate" has to be saved to disk so that it can be restored when it starts back up again. This usually takes a couple minutes. In extreme cases, where multiple regions on one sim have large simstates, it can take up to an hour to write them all to disk.

If you can't access your region after 30 minutes to an hour, contact support or let me know here.

Where can I request a rollback to 1.30.0?

My sim restarted today, before all was fine, after restart I cannot use ctrl+z any more.
Neither can anyone else, only single prims will listen to ctrl+z or Undo.

Not happy, that function is vital for me.
If it's indeed in the 1.30.1, fix it soon please. Big time show stopper for this estate owner.

This is for objects you have no mod rights on, but I DO have rights to move them and if make a mistake undo that right???

As what I know Ctrl-Z (Undo) is a viewer side function ...

I just tried it in 3 regions, for example http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Island/133/123/27 and it works like a charm.

Sandbox Island located at sim5578.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.50.134:13002)
Second Life Server 1.30.1.135015

Maybe restart your viewer or check your keyboard layout (Ctrl-Z/Ctrl-Y switched)?