Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2
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Desmond Shang
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09-13-2008 08:20
Sounds great, Jack. Clear enough rules, and if someone is finding a way to wreak economic damage in the area no matter how they do it, they are on notice that it won't be tolerated. Don't worry about the edge cases. People will 'get it' soon enough with some decent management decisions. Those capitalising on the misfortune of residents and the Company both, will discover that it simply doesn't fly any more. * * * * * For those thinking that we have a free market: ah, no. Not even close. There isn't even such a thing in the 'real world' - at least not since the days of every man for himself wearing bear fur and brandishing a spear. The economy is finely tuned, for good or ill, based on consumer demand balanced against $L supply, land supply and every possible performance factor. Real people make real decisions about how conservative, or how fast and loose to play with the economy. If they didn't, certain elements here would have boom-and-busted-flat the entire grid's economy years ago. Ginko, anyone?
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Talarus Luan
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09-13-2008 08:26
First impressions on the "new" new policy: 1) It is becoming clear that this whole "new policy" thing is nothing more than an afterthought. Did you all REALLY spend months and months of time talking about this problem (first continually telling us "nothing new to report, but we're still talking about it", then "we're working on a new policy, but we just need a few more weeks"  , JUST to present GUESSES about what your policy is going to be? What is it going to be NEXT week, I wonder? I mean, I am all for a living policy framework, one which changes and adapts to ever-changing needs, but NOT in its first iteration before it has had a chance to make any kind of difference. 2) So, what is this deal about Oct 1 now? Do the ads still need to all come down by then before the new "post-license" policy comes into effect? How silly is that? "Take them ALL down NOW! OK, well now you can keep 50 per account." As incredulous as it sounds, I feel sorry that the adfarmers have to go through that kind of nonsense. 3) How is this going to address the REAL problems? a) Unwanted public parasitic adspam and b) microplot extortion and land harassment. From your policy, it appears that the situation in my region won't change appreciably. I'll still have the same adfarmers and extortionists present. 4) How are we supposed to know what to AR after Oct 1? With this update, I am not sure what I am supposed to AR for in many cases. How the hell am I going to know if I am looking at adspam sign #51+? Look, Jack, just keep the policy simple: NO PUBLIC EXTERNAL NON-VENUE ADVERTISING, and NO ABUSING OTHER PEOPLE WITH LAND, VIA PRICING AND/OR PLACEMENT, ESPECIALLY USING LOTS <256SQM. THEN, ENFORCE IT WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE AFTER OCT 1. I *PROMISE* you, THAT will "cure the mainland" of this Blight once and for all. Stop talking about it; stop philandering with the adfarmers; and start FIXING it. Remember what I said at your OH on Wednesday when you took the "straw poll"? Just to refresh your memory: Jack: a quick straw poll.. are we mostly happy with the direction we're going in? Me: Conditionally, and provisionally, yes. Me++: You don't want to ask that question again if you drop the ball, or otherwise fail to follow through.  I would advise going back to the drawing board and coming back with something REAL, CONCRETE, and FINAL before you come back and ask that question again at your next OH.
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Solomon Devoix
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09-13-2008 08:29
I'm sorry to say it, Jack, but this second post of yours looks like a lot of backpeddeling and caving in to adfarmer pressure. If someone breaks the rules they'll be ASKED to change the ads? ASKED? You HONESTLY expect that will do ANY good with the people who are the cause of this huge problem/mess in the first place?
Second, about using alts to get around the restrictions... given all the methods of IP spoofing, etc. etc. and the continued free and open creation of new accounts in moments, how EXACTLY, pray tell, do you expect to be able to tell if one account is an alt of another or not?
About the only way to have even a CHANCE of keeping that under control is to require that every account that places an ad (whether they own the microplot or not) must have PIOF or else the ad is pulled and the account is suspended.
You started off strong, but it looks like you've decided the "tough" stance was just too much work and opted for the far easier, completely ineffective approach instead.
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...the Lindens are still waiting for their shipment of Lie-agra to come in to firm up their flaccid reasoning.
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Melodie Darwin
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supply and demand
09-13-2008 08:29
From: ROBO Marx The market decides the price! This is a free market game right. A lot of the U.S. states are currently seeing price extortion and gouging at gas stations. Some of the claims of the gas station owners are that they are only supplying it at the price which the market will bear. In my state, those gas station owners could be fined at least $25,000. Similarly, those who engage in marking up the prices of their land here in SL feel they are only pricing it at what the market will bear. Most likely, those 'clients' who drop 2k on a 16m are more likely frustrated neighbors who worry something even worse will come in. There is only so much land in each sim, making it profitable to slice it up strategically and hold it hostage. The past abuses and failure to reign them in with the idea of 'what the market will bear' created a disaster which this "policy lite" does nothing to solve. The changes in policy also do not address what will happen with disputes of neighbors versus ad farmers. It still allows for strategic parcels to be held for ransom so that neighbors will cough that up out of fear of what might be next. At least with licensing, there was some hope that it would create better maintained ad networks with actual ads. This, allows a mac truck sized griefer tool to go through every loophole. The previous stronger policy might also have had the possibility of something more than the fake ads now. But without price controls to reflect what the L/m is within that sim, the random holes that are high priced now are only of use to those neighbors who will still suffer and eventually walk away. There are no actual advertisers value in it. Personally, I will no longer pay for search, and even though my lands are open to all, I will play with the traffic so that it always shows zero. Why should my efforts continue to feed parasites?
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Kathy Morellet
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09-13-2008 08:31
Always the calm voice of reason, Desmond.  But, given LL's history in these matters, forgive me if I don't share your optimism. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Yichard Muni
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The nuisance is mostly a matter of context and style
09-13-2008 08:32
good job, but the nuisance/usefulness of adds much depends on context, that is the style of the sim, or its use.
Some sims are, for instance, nature style, and they attract land buyers who love this style. Adds much deface a nature style, so the local residents will much less accept them. However there can be nature shops in the nature sim, which will need ads. In this case, the neighbours will be more favourable to a nature-style add (this also works like this in RL). On the other hand, in a mall, large adds or "add styled" are much more acceptable, and also useful: if somebody comes to a mall, he may need to know the shop the add is advertising for.
So some suggestions: -capping the number of adds is not necessary. Adds should be where they belong, this meaning in commercial areas, or topical adds in relation with the sim content (for instance beach wear on a beach sim), but not in nature, leisure or residential areas.
-there should be some possible adaptations to the rules, depending on case.
-As Linden labs cannot be everywhere, the best is to ask to a sim council if they agree with the add or not. A petition of other lands owners/renters in the sim should have authority to ban any given add, or to make it more in the style.
-banning rotating adds, flashing, etc, is perfect. What makes a potential customer become an actual customer is not the ugliness of the add, but accurate and credible info on the product.
-at last the primary purpose of "add farms" on very small parcels is more racket than actual advertising. All adds unrelated to a commercial/useful context should be banned, land sivision should be banned, etc. Good to make all this a TOS violation. It IS a TOS violation. It WAS a TOS violation from the beginning.
edited: in a foru with so many contributors, I shall not check for replies to this post. If you do, please contact me in world
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Garn Conover
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2 thoughts- are they against it?
09-13-2008 08:46
Storefronts with large signs that face a welcome area/ high population location but are like any other store irl placed for the best possible traffic and view?
and what about Map Ad's? The stores that put MALL or STORE in prims over their land so it shows up when people use that Map... I think that should be part of it definatly.
Edit:
She has now made 2 HUGE signs to show over into our help area and Hanja Welcome Area >.<
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AnnMarie Otoole
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09-13-2008 09:00
Again I am concerned about the distinction between a vendor and an advertisement. I have about 40 vendors. Although there is no advertising that directs them to my main business the vendors have a picture describing the product that they sell. Without clicking on the vendor the only distinction is the graphics depict a product instead of a location or business. This distinction may not be obvious to a vigilante eager to file an AR. Are violation reports originating from ARs or from Linden analysis of records? Believe me, I've done my part cleaning up an ad farm adjacent to my property with blackmail prices on the lots. I've purchased nearly 30 lots and added them to my land. But I do believe there is a justification for a discrete vending machine on a small lot. Here is a typical vendor. Would it violate the new rules? http://slurl.com/secondlife/Anilis/198/176/93
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Holocluck Henly
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09-13-2008 09:07
From: Chris Norse Advertising is advertising. If it applies to one, it should apply to all. No special exemptions. Except what NCI does is just rent out linkspace for SL resource and info locations inworld and on the web WITHIN its borders. We've been through that. If I choose to make a kiosk of landmarked posters for NCI, Particle Lab, Ivory Tower, Here, and Greenies Home, then I am not lumped in the same category as Adfarmers and other creeps. Neither should NCI. And you know what? If you own a quarter sim mall and decide in the middle where the fountain and benches are, you want to put together a cluster of 16sqm rentals for adfarm structures as the centerpiece, then no one can touch you. Who would know about it outside the mall? btw Robo Marx: When you suggest this is collapsing businesses, that's the idea. So many people have made dirty money oppressing others and uglifying Second Life. Subscriptions are down, and let's be honest: these ads make the place look like a SLUM. There's no love lost and if people can't either reform and be a positive influence on the place, they should go elsewhere for their quick money at the cost of others' happiness.
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Esther Merryman
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09-13-2008 09:08
From: ROBO Marx Businesses that are collapsing do. Unless your WALMART TM Why do so many think the lowest posted lot price of the day is the going price. I don't think they are the going rate, the going rate is the predominant value of land in a particular sim, the protected areas to the edge of watersims are obviously worth more, and protected roadside worth a bit more aswell. However a 16sqm plot because you own it and have a gaming box there or an advert for example, doesn't make the land jump up in value to 45x the average level of around 7L/sqm or more than 75 x the cheap posted land you talk about.
From: ROBO Marx Is that the way it works in the real world. If so The price of a Mailibu beachfront front home would go for the same as 1 in a lowrent district. Why dont you look at the LL land metrics. I am sure you wont see my plots at the top. You will probably see a nice 1024 some where with the highest cost per sqm. Anyway I only get what someone pays for it. (capitalism) I have clients that think nothing of dropping 2k on an adplot, why would I give it away for $L57!!!
I am sure you do get people to pay 2000L for 16sqm of land, but don't say it because of market value, everyone here knows why people pay that price. btw thats cheap if you really sell at that one of Pl**z plots is 9999L near me, are you sure you are not losing out in the market? From: ROBO Marx I don't expect you to pay
LOL why have the plots set at the silly price then why put out ulgy mess on the ground? From: ROBO Marx Center sim and roadside are highly valued areas in SL should they be restricted to price caps? LL lets u take it from me at 7 per, then you double the price of what u paid for your adjacent lot. That is extortion and theft for profit. Is that fair? You knew the cut of your lot when you bought it, you get what you pay for. If you want a full fronted roadside plot buy 1, instead of buying a cheap plot and complaining about cuts made through it.
Robo
Don't know about centre sim but I accept roadside land is worth more than other areas within a sim. I don't want your land at 7L/sqm. I only want you to act as a reasonable business person, failing that I would like LL to force you to act responsibly.
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Rowana Jarvinen
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Locations?
09-13-2008 09:12
Can someone give coordinates or tp where this ad farming is going on? I have not seen it yet.
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Sindy Tsure
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09-13-2008 09:13
From: Ordinal Malaprop I can't help but feel that this "50 plots per individual/group" thing will be overwhelmed by ad-networkers simply hiring other people to place ads for them. But if an individual (person or group) can only total 50, those people they hire will not be able to be in the group (donating tier) and they'll have to be premium with a bit of extra tier. I'm not sure if this crappy-sounding margin is enough to restore order but I still think it's a great first step. From: Ordinal Malaprop If the regulations are not set in stone and the spirit is more important than the letter, we are far less vulnerable than if we have a set of rules the loopholes of which are then gamed into meaninglessness, as has happened recently. /me nods!!! edit: here ya go, Rowana.. http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=adfarm&w=allhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/
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Starfire Desade
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09-13-2008 09:13
From: Thunderclap Morgridge And to everyone in the Houston Metro area and Port Arthur, when you see this, I am still praying for you. If you have Iphone, be safe. Even if you don't have Iphone, be safe. (sorry Thunder, couldn't resist)
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Esther Merryman
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09-13-2008 09:20
From: Desmond Shang Sounds great, Jack. Clear enough rules, and if someone is finding a way to wreak economic damage in the area no matter how they do it, they are on notice that it won't be tolerated. Don't worry about the edge cases. People will 'get it' soon enough with some decent management decisions. Those capitalising on the misfortune of residents and the Company both, will discover that it simply doesn't fly any more.
I hope your right Desmond. It's down to you Lindens to act and take down the few who leech from all of us. Please don't stop and sit back on 1st October follow through with all cases of antisocial behavior for the greater good of your grid.
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Avion Raymaker
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09-13-2008 09:23
I'm not sure about this, Jack. The 50 cap is what really bothers me. Why would an undesirable and despised practice be okay as long as you only do it 50 times? And as Taurus mentioned, this cap violation is entirely hidden from the neighbor, or "victim" you might say. So how do they know whether they can complain or not? Just AR everyone and let God sort it out?
Overall, though, I really think you're moving in the right direction. The size and ground-attach limit alone is probably enough to fix the problem for the most part. I know it fixes it for me. Crummy 8m towers on the ground are going to be fairly invisible from my sims. But I feel sorry for the 512-owning new person who can now have an ugly ad tower in their faces.
To the adfarmers who ruined the last thread and are starting to creep out of the woodwork again on this one: Keep it up. Your stepping up to embrace the Lindens' new licensing idea is what killed that policy. Cyth*r** E*gle with an ad license? I've never laughed harder. Please keep pretending to work with the Lindens to improve SL, and you will soon negotiate yourselves out of existence entirely.
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Hodgey Hogfather
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09-13-2008 09:26
Nice start, Jack, but too limited to advertising. The problem isn't advertising per se, it it what is being done with advertising (harrassment, lowering land prices, extortion, etc). I am already seeing ad farmers change over their 16m2 plots to smiley cats, happy land, etc. so they won't qualify as "advertisements". Just a ploy and soon extortion prices will be seen again, unless you address this problem. I suggest you place a maximum sale price cap on small parcels (under 512m2) as others have suggested. Also, use 512 lots as the standard, and above that and below that size, increase tier. Make it so I can have a small 16m2 plot, but have to pay alot more for tier.
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Holocluck Henly
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09-13-2008 09:27
This? How uncanny. That's located just beyond the screenshot of adfarms I posted in the previous thread. Hey I'm just a noob. This is what I consider a good way of utilizing mainland: btw there's a touch of irony. I almost moved to that region. There was an area just south of the railroad tracks which bordered on a cultural center, and I was this close to buying it and making something which blended in with the tone of the place, when my mother needed to be taken to ER and I spent the day with my parents at the hospital. I came home and it was all snapped up. The poor residents now have this big ugly-ass mall where my pool shop and 3D sculptures would have been, a cold structure and no affinity with the area. I had already made acquaintances there, and I plan to visit their places regularly anyhow. I guess things happen for a reason and it's good for ME because I ended up in a better place, but these malls... ...I think THOSE ugly monotonous things need to be zoned to their own continent, or at least restrict them to dedicated regions and leave the resource centers, mom n pop establishments, residents, and artists to bring and maintain harmony with the land. I hope that's the next step in beautification. From: ROBO Marx The market decides the price! This is a free market game right. Maybe that's the problem. People think this is all a game and we're NPC's.
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Carl Metropolitan
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09-13-2008 09:38
This is a well-needed next step. I congratulate Jack and Linden Lab on taking it. While there are loopholes that can be exploited, the fact that LL is now choosing to "treat ad farming activities (and the operating of network advertising businesses) under our Terms of Service, specifically as Harassment under clause 4.1" gives me a lot of confidence they will not let themselves get roped into a excessively narrow application of the policy. I do suspect that many of the adfarmers will choose to retain 32 unit networks (16m2 x 32 = 512m2) and cooperate with each other to place those signs next to property owned by their most persistant critics. Hopefully any such retaliatory placement will be easily construed as harassment. From: Jack Linden If you are engaged in something that clearly has a negative and widespread impact on the Mainland experience, we will request that you stop. Yes--I think it will be.
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Keeno Tidewater
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A real solution is needed
09-13-2008 09:42
The path LL is taking now IMO is like trying to put bandaids over holes in a rubber life raft full of porcupines. It's not going to work. Problems are going to keep cropping up with the direction being taken. The real problem is the economy. Same as in RL. Make the ecomomy better and 'most' of our problems will go away. In SL as in RL, land makes the world go round. Make the land market stable and the rest will follow. The number one thing that deteriorates land value is flooding the market with too much of it. It's like printing money with no gold to back it up. You've got to stop it. Stop it! Just stop it already. OK?? It causes a lot of the adfarming problems because it's so hard making money selling larger parcels with so much land and so few buyers. I know regions aren't being auctioned off at the moment but the damage has already been done and will get worse if it starts up again. Private Region and Openspace Region sales may be contributing to the problem also. I know LL's first concern is to make a profit but they have to look at the big picture. To paraphrase Jerry Maguire, "Help me. Help me Philip. Help me . help you! Help me .. help you! Help me ... help you!". ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-oHuogx6_Y) The way you can start to help me (and others) is to lower tier fees. Usually, as technology progresses and becomes cheaper as well as when more customers come onboard, the savings are passed on to the customers, but I haven't seen that in the 2 years I've been inworld. We've seen firsthand that lowering starting auction bids for mainland regions and flooding the market with cheap land does nothing to substantially increase land buying premium members. IMO you've got to bite the bullet and take the short term hit and lower tier prices to reap the long term rewards, which will be profit for LL (more premiums), profit for land barons, profit for land owning businesses, all the way down the line to a better experience for the basic member because there won't be all the circumventions around the rules because it'll just be easier not to. Sure, you'll have the oddball here and there who likes to grief out of pure spite but overall I think the grid will be much more improved this way than the patchwork quilt you are constructing that gets another layer added every few weeks and just causes more problems than it solves. Again I say to the Lindens with all sincerity "Help me....help you. Help me....help you."
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Ciaran Laval
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09-13-2008 09:43
There is no 50 parcel limit:
"We will allow no more than 50 advertising locations owned by a single individual, whether personally owned or via groups in which you are a member, unless you have written permission from Linden Lab to exceed this limit.Use of Alt accounts/groups to circumvent this restriction will be considered a violation."
So those who are in favour will be able to have more than 50 locations and those who are not in favour, won't.
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Carl Metropolitan
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09-13-2008 09:50
From: Bryon Ruxton The reason I am asking is that it could create a conflict with some ad networks run by Carl Metropolitan, or the way he and I place ads billboard by infohubs. We both clearly have more than one "placement" targeting the hubs. Bryon, NCI thought about extending our AdNode system from our campuses to our InfoNode network (mini-NCIs located near the Linden InfoHubs) but we decided against it. While we do have lots of posters in our InfoNodes, any posters that promote other locations are all non-paid and are for educational or freebie areas of use to new residents. So any content at the NCI InfoNodes should not affect any ads you have near Linden InfoHubs.
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Tanya Spinotti
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Something missing?
09-13-2008 09:52
I think there's something missing here, and it's the residents confidence in LL actively enforcing the new policy.
When the gambling ban came in, most of the casino's disappeared, however gambling still goes on; you can still buy devices which clearly violate the policy. In fact, I spoke to someone who had just made a new one recently; that person didn't believe it broke the policy because "everyone else does it".
We are reliant the G-Team to respond to the flood of Abuse Reports which will come in on 1st October. I'm sure most people who have submitted a number of AR's to LL have sometimes experienced an almost instant response, but more often than not, nothing appears to happen.
I have blogged previously, along with numerous others, on how the AR process needs to be improved - I can't think of any other support team which recommends you continually report the same issue as they have no process for you to see the status of your report (but let's save that discussion for another day)
This is a good opportunity for LL to how that they can 'step-up to the plate' and enforce their policy. If residents don't see a difference, it will have a very negative impact on LL's image.
So, Jack, please build people's confidence - After the 1st October, continue to post on how the new policy is working. If the G-Team is overwhelmed with requests, be open and honest about it (LL's good at that - You post things on your blog that other company's would never dream of!). Keep people informed.
Finally, I would like to request another forum on this topic 1-2 months after the policy has come in to force, so that you can get some feedback on how it's going.
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Carl Metropolitan
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09-13-2008 10:00
From: Chris Norse Advertising is advertising. If it applies to one, it should apply to all. No special exemptions. NCI's ads pretty clearly fall under the exemption described by Jack Linden in the FAQ part of his posting: From: Jack Linden Q. I run a business that places adverts inside clubs and malls, am I violating this policy? A. We call this ‘affiliate advertising’, and it’s unlikely to be affected, especially when it’s inside venues and therefore not adversely affecting the local area. NCI runs a system called AdNode where we sell ads at our campus locations to help us fund operations. Our ads are displayed only at our campuses, and our billboards face in towards the campuses. The billboards are single sided, less than five meters tall, and only target the users at NCI. The land they are on is part of our campuses and is never sold. We began what evolved into AdNode after Linden Lab discontinued payments to instructors back in December 2006. We continued to pay our teachers what LL had been paying them (500L$ a class hour). Currently AdNode accounts for about 1/3rd of NCI's revenue. Also, there are less than fifty AdNode kiosks located on the mainland, as only two of NCI's campuses (NCI Kuula and NCI South) are on mainland. Finally, as I've said numerous times in the threads preceding this one, if having to close down AdNode and find alternate methods of raising money is required by Linden Lab as part of a policy aimed at getting rid of adfarms, we WILL happily shut it down.
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Starfire Desade
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09-13-2008 10:05
Well... after reading the postings since last night, especially the ones by the known extortionists, I have come to the conclusion that some of the rules are unworkable, and some will be used to an advantage.
50 Spot Limits - Some are already indicating they might be moving their advertising around. By doing this, there is no way to know if they are violating the limit - and if they do this on a daily basis (can you say networked rezzor and deleters?) it would be no different than it already is. Even without some trickery like this, there is no way to tell if the extortion plot next to your home is one of 50 or one of 500. This will just frustrate the legitimate users.
No Limits in a Region - Since the extortionists are out to frustrate the residents, I can see them teaming together to increase the "market value" of their parcels by using their allotment of advertising parcels all at the same time in the same 50 regions.
The readers in this (and the last) thread can already notice the extortionists grinning and plotting.
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Neptune Shelman
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Advertising limited to 50 adverts per group
09-13-2008 10:09
Thankyou Jack
I like many of the proposals you have made.
However limiting adverts to 50 per person/group will disadvantage some of the large advertising groups. Who were prepared to act alongside any proposals you made and had already began to act.
Before I get slated for the above statement I am not a member of any advertising group, and wasn't thinking of entering the advertising business either.
One of our groups already has around that number of information boards put out by my RL wife. These are in areas near adfarms where few people will visit. but they act to inform about the problems with land extortion in those areas, to potential unwitting purchasers.
I was hoping to dispose of them now as hopefully they may not have a purpose anymore.
The areas they are in are of no use for advertising whatsoever as no one will see the adverts with the new 8m sizing which we already maintain and always have unless they visit the land directly to buy it.
Which leads to my problem with allowing advertising anywhere and 50 per user. This opens up the chance for any cowboy advertiser, to put 50 adverts anywhere they like. Without thought of whether the location is any good for their purpose. It also allows the extortionists to rotate 50 adverts around their vast number of plots when twisting peoples arms to purchase their land, for extreme prices. Or cowboy advertiser to own a 16sqm in the middle of another users land and place adverts there, even if this land is a private garden or place with no traffic except the owner.
The two instances mentioned above, will happen I have no doubt.
My question is Jack how will these be handled?
Oh its ok they are not breaking any rules or with a common sense approach.
This is the main reason I suggested that only roadside advertising be allowed. Which is still my point of view.
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