Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

If ads are to be one per region by a single person, can they be far enough apart that you can't stand at one ad with minimum draw distance and see that same persons ad in the next sim over?

My bug-bear is this. If the surrounding land is already raised above revert-level, then your solution limits legitimate endeavours.

I'd rather phrase it as '8m above the average level of surrounding terrain. that way the base-line is effectively a 'smoothed ground level'.

And before anyone comments, i've never ad-farmed, i loathe it, and i loathe the way its defiled so many potentially beautiful locations. On the other hand, if i ever wanted to legitimately advertise products, i'd rather the rules made sense.

Does not kill people. Far off comparison my friends!

I'm quite disappointed, but not too surprised, that you caved in to the adfarmer pressure. While this proposal is a step forward from where we are now, it's a huge step backwards from where we were going.

I'm guessing you realized that you don't have the personnel resources to enforce the policy on as big of a scale as was originally proposed, and with all the legal threats the adfarmers were making, it was easier to step backwards.

Without the licensing requiring real life information, adfarmers will use alts in a way that you won't be able to detect them. All they have to do is create masses of NPIOF alts with fake real life info and create groups and rent tier, and you won't be able to trace them. I'm sure they already know this. Easy to circumvent the 50 per person limit that way. And when you say it's okay to exceed the limit with written permission from LL, I already know the big players will continue business as usual.

And couldn't you at least limit it to roadside? There will be no change in extortion if people are allowed to keep these things up in the middle of sims facing someone's personal property.

I don't see that all that much will change on October 1, unfortunately. Slight improvements, but not the sweeping cleanup you were talking about in the beginning.

One more thing: Now, if someone violates policy, "we will request that you stop." ?? What happened to the original account suspension threat? There's no teeth in this new policy.

Edit: I realize that I sound a bit harsh here, and for that I am sorry - I know you have a very difficult job to do. I appreciate that you are trying to make things better for everyone. I just think that this policy doesn't go far enough, and it's hard to hide my disappointment.

Who would like to have a panel of pub in front of its house ? It's a jungle

No ADS Farm and no 16sqm plot.

The big problem actually the ads land baron try by everything the means to annoy people to extort money to them I know numerous owners of big mainland who have simply to stop and it is clear that if that does not change I would also make it and I would have no more reason for having a premium account.

Businesses that are collapsing do. Unless your WALMART TM Why do so many think the lowest posted lot price of the day is the going price. Is that the way it works in the real world. If so The price of a Mailibu beachfront front home would go for the same as 1 in a lowrent district. Why dont you look at the LL land metrics. I am sure you wont see my plots at the top. You will probably see a nice 1024 some where with the highest cost per sqm. Anyway I only get what someone pays for it. (capitalism) I have clients that think nothing of dropping 2k on an adplot, why would I give it away for $L57!!! Center sim and roadside are highly valued areas in SL should they be restricted to price caps? LL lets u take it from me at 7 per, then you double the price of what u paid for your adjacent lot. That is extortion and theft for profit. Is that fair? You knew the cut of your lot when you bought it, you get what you pay for. If you want a full fronted roadside plot buy 1, instead of buying a cheap plot and complaining about cuts made through it.

Robo

Robo have you ever actually looked at a market graph? Sudden spikes, in *either* direction signal a looming problem, which is usually resolved with a price correction. Ever notice that the fed in the US both raises and increases the prime rate?

Remember the good 'ole days of railroad tycoons?

So, even those real estate people with 10 512s for sale, a legitimate situation, can't place for sale signs on them?

What about your average resident who wants to just sell up and move out? They can't subdivide their land for easier sale and place any kind of for sale signs on the parcels even low, tasteful ones?

While I applaud this new policy in moving a step forward, I will take a wait and see attitude before passing judgment on it. I still see a lot of room for abuse and a lot of holes for innocent people to get swept into without recourse.

-pay for classified.

advertising costs should go to the taxes to pay teacher or so.

here in the search you should not do this mistake.


is there such a problem were you talking about ?


it is a problem of the owner of the land if.
who cares if someone have 200 places with rotation signs.


to the linden company-
you should not talk with a person who say something else by saying something and even never said something. rolling the eyes

I would in fact prefer the effect of this suggested "average level of surrounding terrain" baseline, but it seems harder to comply, inasmuch as that average could change all the time as the surrounding land is re-terraformed. Also probably harder for the concierge team to enforce. But it would be better, if it could be workable.

You do know nobody is forcing you to sell your land, right? Or that, contrary to the subject you gave, you are not forced to sell for the minimum .... just if you *do* choose to set it for sale to anyone you have a reasonable maximum cap? For a supposed businessman it is quite clear that you need to retake economics 101.

Why do they need a for-sale sign, or is the land sale search not working now?

I sold my 2560 plot recently (and for above the average price) .... within minutes I had human buyers and robots in a race to see who could get there first. Why are 'for sale' signs even needed?

Well, if the owner of the ad plot spends a lot of time there surely they would notice the local level changed and would want to be a good neighbor, right?

I have questions...
>Do all the "ad farmers" have to remove all their ads by Oct 1st as previously stated? As in start with a clean slate?
>Say someone wants to report someone with more than 50 ads..do they have to track them all? (i see large chains who have made no moves yet)
>Is it 50 ads at one moment..ie; if someone had 100 parcels can they shift ads around?
>Will the issue of people deliberately blocking ads and small parcels in with huge towers/blockers be addressed? - like this example http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr44/JubJubSL/AztekAndErie.jpg

So many holes in what appeared to be a great move to clean up the mainland :/

At a guess (i'm not a seller), for branding and reputation.

Wow!

Thank you very much

This new approach should cover far more issues, than the initial wording states.

I haven't got past this post so far Jack so my next question may have been already answered.

You briefly mentioned looking at account history to confirm a practice of extortion, will this be coming into force on 1st of October also.

Or should we give you a couple of weeks to sort out the other problem before starting on the extortion rackets?

If your adverts are bigger than 8m in height floating in the sky then they must be removed by 1st of October and replaced with 8m high ones.
If you have more than 50 of them then you need to thin down to 50, common sense says these should be the ones in your best locations, probably the ones getting the most clicks.

This new policy is less restrictive as I hoped, but it's a good start anyway.

One point that needs clarification is "We will allow no more than 50 advertising locations owned by a single individual, whether personally owned or via groups in which you are a member, ...".

What does this mean exactly for groups? 50 ads for each member or 50 ads for the whole group?? If it would be 50 for each member this would open a door for misuse: they'd just invite some newbies, pay them 50L$ and they had another 50 parcels for ad farms.

Esther, are you going to lower the prices on all your ad plots now? Before complaining about extortion rates from others please.
Quote: "Esther Merryman: i have put my plots up for sale at prices ranging from 249 to 399" (up to $24 per meter?)

And thanks for advice...however mine were all down 2 days ago

Mr Jack

This policy will boost the value of small plots, which "might" encourage some others to expand them cut & supply activities. Please keep an eye on that ...

PS : It won't surprise me if you next posting will be a holiday announcement ..

I believe he means 50 ads for the entire group. Which brings us back to the question, if someone has 50 ad lots already and a group they are in for entirely different reasons decides to put up some ad lots, what happens to that group member who was trying to abide by the rules to begin with?

The more I look at this policy the more it looks like so much Swiss cheese.

I can't help but feel that this "50 plots per individual/group" thing will be overwhelmed by ad-networkers simply hiring other people to place ads for them.

In any case, I think that part needs clarification as to precisely what it means and how it will be enforced. Something worth bringing up at Jack's next office hour I think.

The physical restrictions on ads sound good, and while I can think of ways in which one could create something that looks appalling but fits in with them, I am encouraged by the statement

If the regulations are not set in stone and the spirit is more important than the letter, we are far less vulnerable than if we have a set of rules the loopholes of which are then gamed into meaninglessness, as has happened recently.

Good Job Linden Lab!

Honestly this is good news for the mainland. I think you could do away with full bright as well. Since it does show threw walls and is bothersome.

MarCat

Yes - It is, for better or worse, better than nothing. sadly, some individuals will use any loophole they can to keep this thing going.



I've wondered this too. It's not like first life, where you are likely to drive by a sign in a desirable area.

Meanwhile, a plea to the other posters: let's try to avoid sinking to the level of the previous thread kinda maybe?

Mari

These suggestions seem good but how long would this sort of thing take to do?
Hopefully it will be unnecessary anyway as Jack stated he/LL would see any repeated attempts to break rules as a disciplinery offense.
Obviously repeated deliberate terraforming mismatches would be one of these attempts.



I must say Jack if any individual were to get this permission, it should be granted along with a further set of regulations, be revocable and monitored clearly, in addition to being listed clearly as to which companies have this permission.




Jack can I say why I campaign against Adfarming, in the hope that it backs up, what Qie is saying above, I owned a plot of land which had a certain extortionist group named Pr**lands selling a 32sqm parcel for 9999L, so I approached the owner of this group and asked if he had a more reasonable price for it.
He responded politely asking for the location, silly me at this time didn't know these types of groups had sims full of these plots, at that time.
So I sent the details hoping to see the price lowered a bit, the next day I saw a huge pink tower there placed by another group Ka****a Real Estate.
When this group pulled out of the mainland advertising buying parcels in Bay City, guess who had the land back up for sale at 4995L for two now 16qm plots?
Yes it was the Pr**lands Group again, giving these parasites the ability to even use a 8m high advertising board is giving them the means to be a nuisance again even if it is on a much limited scale.

I know this happens, it happened to me and its happening to others all over the mainland, it is not a business practice it is virtual terrorism.
You will just end up with four seperate freeloader advertising groups, working together with their four seperate extortion businesses



If these freeloaders a not targeted directly, they will continue and the only outcome is further destruction to the mainland and fewer premium members choosing to own land there.