If you search for PG sims you will get a list of lots of adult sites. This has to be fixed. I work for a college. We cannot have any possibility of adult content in the sim.
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-22-2009 14:57
If you search for PG sims you will get a list of lots of adult sites. This has to be fixed. I work for a college. We cannot have any possibility of adult content in the sim. _____________________
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Acis Tigerpaw
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05-22-2009 20:24
If you search for PG sims you will get a list of lots of adult sites. This has to be fixed. I work for a college. We cannot have any possibility of adult content in the sim. If you want business and colleges to take SL seriously which they should and some are we need to have safe sims, and searches with mature content off that do not list sex sites, which they do now! there is a box you check says mature if you want mature content un check if you dont and the search in sl sucks the big one any how...........type in house and you get.. 10k of every thing and the dog...just a nother crapy job done by LL |
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05-23-2009 20:13
I'm wondering what college's there are that the students and faculty are so offended by adult terms? Have they also gone into their libraries and removed all literature that contains words which are remotely adult? I would hate to be a student at a college where what I choose to read or look at is governed in such a way. Perhaps they are only removing the covers off the books, and taking the searches for them out of their library computers.. The books are there, you just can't find them. Not trying to be funny, but seriously how is it justifiable to say you cannot have any adult themes available to your college?
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Dalik Tokhes
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05-24-2009 03:04
Let us face it.....
Linden Labs are going to continue to pander to to the loudest and most useless of the population, because they're the ones with the most time to dedicate to complaining. And let's not forget, the government is also going to keep pressure on LL to change and make new rules and laws to limit out virtual environment. Casinos and banks banned.... Certain avatars outlawed..... Adult themes moved to a reservation, like the Native Americans of old.... What LL doesn't realize, is that by doing this, they're driving away their most creative and intelligent users and builders. Why would a person want to go through a "Trail Of Tears" incident, just because someone else is offended when they wander into a place that doesn't meet their tastes? SecondLife has been a great place to play, but the rules are getting to be too much, and that's what most of us object to. But there are alternatives that LL doesn't want to acknowledge. Using the Hippo client, you can choose to explore SL-like grids not under the rule of the Das Fhurer LL. Pseudospace, Osgrid, 3Drock, Cyberlandia, Nexxtlife, and many others all have declared their independence from SL. Many are new, untouched, unspoiled by ads, rabid here-today-gone-tomarrow stores and clubs, and free of the lag created by overscripting. Most are privately run by people who want a much more free environment, and many are looking for people to come and help make them even better. If SL is truely becoming a virtual version of a iron-fisted dictatorship, it behooves us to simply find other places to be. There is no virtue in staying in a third-world country if there are other options, correct? Refugees have fled oppression for centuries, and now it seems the time to do the same for SL. I'm not, however, saying to abandon SL entirely. But if the rules and restrictions offend you, do look into alternatives! I myself have a shop in SL and Xstreet, and spend many a nice evening here, building and spending time with friends, sometimes in adult ways, sometimes not. But that doesn't stop me from visiting another Grid I'm helping to build into a haven for RP, and working there is quite fulfilling, too. More fun, in some ways; other grids have other limits. Megaprims, for example, are common in some grids, and do nothing to lag or mess with the physics engine. Some grids have prim limits more then double the standard limit-per-sim that SL does. So look into alternative places, and see if perhaps you can find a new land, a new grid to play in. Who knows? You might find yourself in a better position to enjoy yourself. |
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05-25-2009 01:18
Very nice post Dalik, and more and more people are already peeking around the corner of other grids, e.g. Giant Grid.
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05-26-2009 10:17
From the perspective of someone using the 'mature' content in SL at times... There would be nothing -MORE- squick to me personally than discovering that the 'activity' I was doing in SL was being done with someone not of adult age on the other end of their screen... - I think I would have a RL physical throwing up reaction if that happened to me.
To that end, while I felt very weird about giving L-labs my RL info, I'm kind of glad for age verification. The only thing that worries me is that 'adult age' is notably lower in some places, like Japan (14 for women, 18 or 20 for men - really sick IMO, but there you go), so I'll still have to be a little guarded in my conduct if they do this verification according to local standards rather than international norms. |
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05-27-2009 11:38
I have no desire at all to support decisions coming out of Linden Lab... especially after the past year of knee-jerk blunders (head of the pack: Homesteads).
However, a few common-sense thoughts and facts here: * Second Life has a public reputation of being a porn board. Is that what folks want-- for SL to be primarily known for being a sleeze site? * There are things on SL that equal anything to ever come from a porn site-- and they're presented right under our noses at the local market. * Yes, we all understand the concept of "adult consent". But part of that phrase is "adult"... and that means maturity and responsibility as well. That responsibility means NOT subjecting others to ones own activities when they have no desire for such. * Blatant porn, bloody displays and sickening content in every market on the board is not a good thing. It's bad for the reputation of the SL platform as a whole. I think even Linden Lab expected a little more maturity and sensibility from its customers than that (although they surely took no steps to prevent such). * These things considered, it would make perfect sense to set a primary, entry-continent to PG-only. That continent would consist of hundreds of sims where new members can enter and explore without being exposed to things to which they may strongly object. * Requiring age and identity verification is a legally-responsible attitude. Sorry if that rains on the parade of griefers and drama queens out there who enjoy the anonymity hide-behind-your-keyboard, email-only registration, but that's how it is. SL should have required user ID verification from the very first (and in fact... it did, until some bozo in management decided that sheer numbers was more important than performance, quality and user-accountability). * Even real-life communities have zoning laws and restrictions-- something Linden Lab should have established from day one. Now, for the record: I have not followed this "adult zoning" concept since their first vague announcement. I have no idea what Linden Lab has planned or what they're going to do (I'm not sure even Linden Lab knows). I do know I have spoken with numerous people regarding this, and the folks I speak to are about 50/50 divided, pro and con. I know I have spoken to a LOT of folks that I personally would consider "raving fantatics" whose sole interest is to do whatever the blazes they want to do with no restrictions whatsoever. Frankly, that is a very unreasonable viewpoint. Face it: some kind of zoning and restriction is necessary and long overdue. Frankly, I don't for one moment trust Linden Lab to make a good, beneficial decision in these matters. They have a long history of arbitrary and customer-unfriendly decisions. But SOME KIND OF REGULATION is going to be necessary. Either that, or the company should just place a big, red "X-RATED" notation on their front webpage and just let the thing dissolve into chaos. But if anyone among the commenters in this blog truely means what you say and wants Linden Lab to succeed in making the board user-friendly... some degree of bending and compromise is going to be necessary. If this board continues with its rampant porn and bloody violence throughtout the grid that is currently experienced by visitors (millions of whom take one look and promptly leave)... then Second Life will never, ever have a reputation as a professional, responsible Virtual World. People can gripe and moan and complain all they want, but this is pretty much the reality of life. Reputation is based on character. Character is based on activity. Right now, the character and reputation of SL is widely recognized as that of a cesspool. So do we help that change for the better... or do you wish this virtual society to further degrade and dissolve into chaotic, antisocial drivel... while other companies forge on ahead into respectable VR worlds? (Which btw, is exactly what is happening. The new Inworldz grid has a strict PG-on-mainland policy, and Reaction Grid is a total-PG board. Both of those boards have a good reputation). I'm by no means supporting Linden Lab in this. I am supporting the concept of exercising a degree of TRUE maturity... that of enjoying our preferred activities without forcing such upon everyone else, indiscriminately. _____________________
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05-27-2009 12:22
I have no idea what Linden Lab has planned or what they're going to do (I'm not sure even Linden Lab knows). I do know I have spoken with numerous people regarding this, and the folks I speak to are about 50/50 divided, pro and con. I know I have spoken to a LOT of folks that I personally would consider "raving fantatics" whose sole interest is to do whatever the blazes they want to do with no restrictions whatsoever. Frankly, that is a very unreasonable viewpoint. If they had a scheme that would actually separate the naughty stuff from the clean stuff, I'd have a different opinion, but what they're proposing won't restrict more than a few percent of the porn. Most of it will still be sitting there in M rated areas. You'll see it when you teleport in, before the walls rez. You'll see it when griefers tubgirl-bomb the welcome areas. Most of it is not moving anywhere. All they're moving are the stores... and only the "significant" ones at that. I'm in favor of some kind of responsible subdivision. I'm not even vaguely in favor of what's actually happening. You can't ignore what's actually happening. _____________________
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05-27-2009 12:45
Argent, I've dealt with your posts in the distant past and am well acquainted with your tactics of derriding others rather than just discussing the issues. I rarely post on these forums and I'm surely not going to get into a debate here with someone such as you. When someone feels it necessary to harass others to make his point, it seems to me his point isn't all that solid in the first place.
I don't have to do extensive research to know the effects of the things discussed here on a society in general... nor to have valid opinions regarding such. How you spend your free time is your decision. I simply don't have the time in RL to follow every whim Linden Lab pops out its backside and every blog and wiki post in regard to such. I think my post is accurate and valid as it stands. I read LL's original post regarding these things and that post in general presented valid concerns and concepts. They were immediately besieged by a bunch of emotional rants from people who didn't bother to take even a day to think about the matter, nor to make make responsible suggestions. How Linden Lab deals with the concept and the affect of such decisions on the grid in general will be seen as time passes. Beyond that, seeing the direction Linden Lab has taken Second Life, I have no expectations that they will make the right decisions in regard to anything. I just attend to the needs of my group and once in a while, provide some feedback where it seems warranted. I do so seldom however, because of predictable responses such as yours. If you wrote a blog or wiki about this, how about actually posting the URL here so that the rest of us can be further educated? I'm sure we'll be forever indebted. _____________________
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05-27-2009 13:28
Argent, [personal attack deleted] I simply don't have the time in RL to follow every whim Linden Lab pops out its backside and every blog and wiki post in regard to such. I think my post is accurate and valid as it stands. If I didn't know the details, I might well be in agreement with the general goal too. See, Linden Labs is not implementing an abstract plan that's open to radical changes, they've nailed down a lot of specific points that are known and are specifically going to cause problems. For example They have twice said "oh, OK, we understand, we'll fix it". Except that what's shown there now is supposed to be the first result of them "fixing" it... and it's more restrictive than the first pass. According to this definition, Luskwood... about as G-rated a community you'll find in SL... would need to be on a Mature sim because they have a bar with alcoholic beverages on display. These are the kinds of details that aren't in Linden Labs' announcement. If you wrote a blog or wiki about this, how about actually posting the URL here so that the rest of us can be further educated? I'm sure we'll be forever indebted. It's been merged with several other people's pages: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content _____________________
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05-27-2009 13:48
Who I spoke with, when they stated their opinions, what they had read or hadn't read is irrelevent Argent. What is relevant is that these are general opinions of people on the grid, throughout the grid. I get a lot of unsolicited feedback, I overhear people talking, people come to me with complaints and gripes and the latest "news". I take it all in and store it for reference. I don't bother to keep track of sources, or URLs I've read or blogsites; like most people with real lives I don't have time to track every bit of fluff I read about SL. I just process and evaluate and come to conclusions based on that evidence. I think that's really how most people process information.
Like I said, I absolutely don't trust Linden Lab to make logical, beneficial, common-sense decisions in these matters. You and I have both seen them continually make decisions that were not only damaging to their customers-- but to their company as well. Predictably so. (The aforementioned Homestead fiasco is a prime example). So as with probably you and most other posters here... I am somewhat concerned with what LL will do with this. While their basic concern is warranted and the need for some kind of zoning and restrictions definitely exists... I have my doubts (as you also express) that they'll do it the right way. I'll check your wiki post. Thanks. _____________________
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05-27-2009 13:57
Checked the Wiki. Admit: I scanned rather than read the whole thing. Paid special attention to your questions Argent. Most people there had very valid things they brought up. Lots of discussion, from what I read all of it good and without any dominant attitude or problems.
Overall impression: Linden Lab being very wishy-washy and lots of half-baked plans. I get the general feeling overall, that Linden Lab doesn't really know what it's going to do that this time... that it's still figuring it all out. *see addendum later. IMO, they should have met with a group of users as test-case market research, had long discussions, and arrived at a fully equitable and completely laid-out policy before ever mentioning these things. Test case market analysis is a core tool of most large companies. Was it used here? I see no evidence of such. What I see is Linden Lab saying, "This is bad, something needs to be done, we're gonna do something... we'll let you know." The steps I'm seeing seem odd and incomplete. Some kind of age verification? What specifically? Are mature things going to be actually moved, or not? Will the X rated merchants be forced to move to new areas, or will tacking a sign on their door prove sufficient? I'll examine further, but from the brief scan I did... I didn't see much in the way of hard-core, clearly definied boundaries and decisions. Maybe I scanned too quickly, dunno. Second effort will tell. But that's my first impression. Perhaps others can guide me to specifics that will provide a better overall view without me spending the next 4 hours reading lenghty LL posts. LOL _____________________
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05-27-2009 14:00
Oh, I did read one thing that gave me a chuckle:
Q: Has Linden Lab consulted third parties as part of this initiative? A: We've conducted extensive research on industry standards and are working with experts who have extensive experience creating content-access policies for large Internet services. My question: where does the CUSTOMER fit in all that? Did they go to us, the paying users, and saying, "What are your thoughts on all this?" LOL Perhaps they did. But I see no indication of a customer research discussion group or market research of any kind. Industry standards? What kind of "industry standards" are consistent with the concept and layout of Second Life? _____________________
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05-27-2009 14:13
...Perhaps others can guide me to specifics that will provide a better overall view without me spending the next 4 hours reading lengthy LL posts. LOL A good place to get an overall view, if you don't know it already (but it's worth reposting for others too) is http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Main_Page - which is outside of Linden Lab control. It's an independent wiki, focusing at the moment on the adult content changes due, which is being developed by a number of Residents - all with differing expertise/backgrounds (and even views on the policy). It includes easy links to the original LL announcements, meeting transcripts, LL statements (from a range of sources), keyword lists, questions raised (answered and unanswered), alternate solutions, verification information and issues, press coverage links, as well as a range of protest information. Well worth a visit, if you don't know it, IMHO. ![]() I can't promise it won't take up more than 4 hours of one's time though ![]() (Add: For a one page summary, http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Summary_of_Adult_Content_Changes by DanielRavenNest is excellent) |
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05-27-2009 14:21
A good place to get an overall view, if you don't know it already (but it's worth reposting for others too) is http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Main_Page? - which is outside of Linden Lab control. Thanks Ito. I'll definitely check that out. ![]() _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-27-2009 14:23
The steps I'm seeing seem odd and incomplete. Some kind of age verification? What specifically? Are mature things going to be actually moved, or not? Will the X rated merchants be forced to move to new areas, or will tacking a sign on their door prove sufficient? _____________________
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05-27-2009 14:47
Addendum: after reading further...
Some of it seems wishy-washy. As Argent says, "I'll know it when I see it." Those are the problem areas. Of course, arbitrary case-by-case decisions are required with any ruling or law. But the basics need to be in place. Other stuff seems like definite steps... the adult continent, labeling of adult stores. All in all though.. where is the clearly-defined, clean-cut TOS guideline and rules all in one place? I read about the "filtered words". Hope no one decides to conduct any legitimate events having to do with sexuality in any form... they're up a creek). I saw many, many words in the list that could hve legitimate use at support groups and other things. That's the problem with basic word filtering; folks often go overboard and filter out standard, acceptable things. I think personally, the main thing I object to is visiting a market and having the most obscene, disgusting, violent and bloody material presented right alongside the floral arrangements and tiny avatars. That of course, is the fault of the market owner... but market owners, desperate for income to pay high sim fees... have had zero support from Linden Lab in regulating such things. I believe such things do need to be moderated-- at least to a degree. Whether a sim is "PG" or "Mature"... there are some things I've seen in markets that would disgust all but the most jaded of people (in truth, it somewhat scares me that such merchants actually have real life people behind them. That such people walk the streets... that's really a frightening concept. Good thing they spend most of their time on SL where they can do relatively little harm.) Anyone who wants "adult" items can do as they do in RL... visit an adult store or "red light" district. Whether I'm shopping in a store in a PG or a Mature area... there are some things I don't want to see. I'm not alone in that. If we want to shop for a skin, we should be able to do so without seeing those skins involved in graphic sexual poses or right next door to someone being graphically cut up with a chainsaw. I think bottom line, that's what most people object to-- not that these things exist in Second Life (face it, they exist in RL)... but being constantly, against our will exposed to such things in our everyday exploration of the grid. It's like dog owners allowing their pets to poop all over the public sidewalks. There's a place for the poop and that place is not right under our feet, everywhere we go. So, the idea of an adult continent and requiring adult merchants to move there... I'm ok with that. If not an adult continent, requiring stores to significantly flag every entrance to the store as containing "Content inappropriate for the general public" might be the way to go. That way, at least people will have warning before being subjected to such things. Above all, I do think people who decide to wear naked or nearly naked avatars in public (lord, the see-through crotchless panties and transparent tops and fake-prim boobs... ugh). I'm no prude but really, there's a limit as to what I want to see on my screen while eating dinner (or for that matter, any other time). In society, we have "public indecency" laws. We have no such on SL. We see people walking down main streets with exposed breasts and prim dongs just because "it's a mature sim" (there's nothing "mature" about such things. More like grammar-school childishness). Barbie dolls wearing so little "clothing" that nudity would be preferable. If they want to dress in such manner-- give them an Adult continient where they can flaunt all they want. Keep it away from the general public. The general public has rights too-- such as rights to not be assaulted by a double-Z pair of boobies or a 24" erection while they're at a party or shopping-- just because they're on a "mature" sim. Seriously, it's not just about the merchants-- it's the whole pervading "SL is a porn board" attitude. I think that is what Linden Lab wants to get rid of. Public decency (at least, to a common sense level-- and reportable in cases of offensive presentations), an attitude as concerned about the SL society as much as insisting on personal so-called "freedoms" (freedoms which often infringe on the freedoms of others to not be accosted by blatant porn)... these are the concepts being brought into place here. I don't know if LL will do so properly or not-- I doubt it-- but for sure it's been needed for a long time. OK, done soapboxing now. ![]() _____________________
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05-27-2009 14:51
So... are you still in favor of "the upcoming changes for adult content", as they are actually being planned?
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05-27-2009 15:05
So... are you still in favor of "the upcoming changes for adult content", as they are actually being planned? I think I've already answered that question... in some detail. I don't "support" nor am I "in favor" of any decision Linden Lab makes at this point, especially when those decisions have no centrally-presented TOS and rules of conduct behind them. I may accept those decisions and I may be governed by those decisions, but at this time I don't "support" Linden Lab in any way or form. My 100% interest on SL is the people in my group and their welfare under current Linden Lab policies. I haven't read (nor do I plan to read) every scrap of information presented. I do know the grid, as it stands, is a porn-filled garbage dump. I do know some changes-- drastic ones-- are going to need to be made. I know there are people who will object-- even strongly so-- to ANY change that's made at all, waving the banner of "censorship", "personal freedoms" etc etc ad nauseum and having no concept nor concern for the freedoms of others-- nor of the need for censorship of a form in ANY society. (A society without censorship in any form is not society-- it is anarchy). If people want to be able to do whatever they want, no matter what it is, without moderation or accountability-- they don't want a VR society, they want their own private god-complex playground. Most people in a civilized society recognize the need for reasonable, common-sense rules for the good of the community in general. That said, I've seen very few reasonable, common-sense rules come out of Linden Lab. So at this time, we'll see what happens. My experience is that no amount of moaning or griping phases Linden Lab whatsoever. Their concern is with their bottom line profit. What I think is humorous is that this change (after almost six years online) seems to be coming about because LL sees the need to clean up their image to bring in the big investors. To be totally frank, that strikes me as just hilarously two-faced. But the need for such a move has existed since the inception of the grid. They should have zoned such things from the beginning. I of course have my own opinions and ideas on the steps they should have taken. Those are irrelevant to what's being done, so I'm not going to waste my time laying them out here. Linden Lab sets its own course and drags its customers along with them, sometimes kicking and screaming. We'll see what happens in this case. If their actions please people in general, they'll prosper. If they tick off enough people, they'll have folks shutting down sims and another OpenSpace fiasco. Their choice. I'll respond appropriately (we shut down all 6 of our OpenSpace sims as response to that decision, and have no intention whatsoever of taking them up on their "grandfather" offer.) As I've told LL for a long time: there are consequences for actions. Sometimes they're immediate, sometimes long and slow in coming... but the universe and makind in general has a way of responding to what we do. It's just a matter of time to see what pans out in the end. Our group made two very decisive moves: we set our lands to total Web-G rating (long before LL came up with this adult continent concept) and we've invested in 8 sims on a total PG grid. Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to tell others they can't have their "adult" activities on SL. But we all make our decisions. So I can make my decision, my friends can make theirs, Argent can make his, John Doe can make his. It's not so much about what Linden Lab does-- but how customers react to it. If customers had reacted to the $195 to $295 sim price hike as they reacted to OpenSpace sims... I doubt we'd be paying $295 a sim. It's all about what we, as individuals, do in the end. (Of course, it would be really nice if LL tried to reliably predict how customers will react and showed a lick-o-sense in the first place... but, that's Linden Lab for you. They historically do what they want and worry about clean-up later). _____________________
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Adult Content
05-28-2009 02:35
If what I am hearing is true then Linden Labs are going to be hurting. Major corporations are failing in RL. Soooo...who's to say the next one to get bit in the ass with the same thing is't going to be SL next?.....hmmmmm?!.....C'mon.....we got the same cry babies in RL why let them come in and rule out what everyone enjoys and obviously pays for. YOU are going to be losing a lot of customers and money. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? Aren't you enjoying the benefits of the ADULT CONTENT because these ARE paying customers. You stick them in a small island your going to squeeze out a lot of nothing. Ummmmm.....why can't you make an SL for the cry babies and children and let this one go to the way it's always been? SL for everyone and make it so we have our own codes to get into our own accounts to get into SL.
The NEW SL should be for those who aren't planning on having any fun just work or kids to play in. Why kill SL and punish us for the cry babies who whine in RL? STOP TRYING TO CUT ADULT CONTENT THESE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Acis Tigerpaw
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sniffs humm smells like mcarthyism eh
05-28-2009 09:41
Let us face it..... Linden Labs are going to continue to pander to to the loudest and most useless of the population, because they're the ones with the most time to dedicate to complaining. And let's not forget, the government is also going to keep pressure on LL to change and make new rules and laws to limit out virtual environment. Casinos and banks banned.... Certain avatars outlawed..... Adult themes moved to a reservation, like the Native Americans of old.... What LL doesn't realize, is that by doing this, they're driving away their most creative and intelligent users and builders. Why would a person want to go through a "Trail Of Tears" incident, just because someone else is offended when they wander into a place that doesn't meet their tastes? SecondLife has been a great place to play, but the rules are getting to be too much, and that's what most of us object to. But there are alternatives that LL doesn't want to acknowledge. Using the Hippo client, you can choose to explore SL-like grids not under the rule of the Das Fhurer LL. Pseudospace, Osgrid, 3Drock, Cyberlandia, Nexxtlife, and many others all have declared their independence from SL. Many are new, untouched, unspoiled by ads, rabid here-today-gone-tomarrow stores and clubs, and free of the lag created by overscripting. Most are privately run by people who want a much more free environment, and many are looking for people to come and help make them even better. If SL is truely becoming a virtual version of a iron-fisted dictatorship, it behooves us to simply find other places to be. There is no virtue in staying in a third-world country if there are other options, correct? Refugees have fled oppression for centuries, and now it seems the time to do the same for SL. I'm not, however, saying to abandon SL entirely. But if the rules and restrictions offend you, do look into alternatives! I myself have a shop in SL and Xstreet, and spend many a nice evening here, building and spending time with friends, sometimes in adult ways, sometimes not. But that doesn't stop me from visiting another Grid I'm helping to build into a haven for RP, and working there is quite fulfilling, too. More fun, in some ways; other grids have other limits. Megaprims, for example, are common in some grids, and do nothing to lag or mess with the physics engine. Some grids have prim limits more then double the standard limit-per-sim that SL does. So look into alternative places, and see if perhaps you can find a new land, a new grid to play in. Who knows? You might find yourself in a better position to enjoy yourself. lol well as i said ive gone from 100 usa a mth to 40 or less.. and yes ive gone back to lol everquest..my guild is there ppl to hang out with ect.. so keep up the good work SL ..and yall be getting ZERO DOLLERS FROM ME and probly others who are tired of the straight jacket your putting on the ppl |
Brandywyne Ansar
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McCarthyism?! Hell yeah!
05-29-2009 16:17
Linden Labs Needs To Do Some History Research And See Where Mccarthyism Got Their @sses! No Where! Exclude People Later On! Your Stupid @sses Will F**king Crash And Burn! *chants* Burn, Baby, Burn! *evil Laugh* As A Drow In Rp I Will Not Apologize For My Rude Remarks.
Acis, thanks for the heads up on other places to go. |
Argent Stonecutter
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05-29-2009 16:19
Jumpy?
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Brandywyne Ansar
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Jumpy?!
05-29-2009 16:22
LOL 4ELL yeah! LOOL
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Shambolic Walkenberg
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05-29-2009 17:58
"Adult Content", which means sexually explicit content that is advertised or publicly available, will have to be moved by the owner before a deadline. Is this actually the case? It seems even the Lindens aren't clear: Jack Linden: Gordon, I believe the criteria is less about public/private as whether it is commercialised etc, but again Blondin the best person to talk to about that if the private island is commercialising adult content or services, then we will expect them to flag it as such This is from the transcript of the office hours. Having read through the whole thing, the obsession with commercial/ business is frustrating as well as infuriating. The impression given in the above is so long as a build doesn't operate as a business then accessible adult content is fine. Now, saying Blondin is the best person to clarfiy this is a joke, as Blondin's presence has been somewhat lacking, and whatever answers were forthcoming were in reply to cherry picked questions, and seldom more than umming and ahhing. The whole thing is being so badly managed that it's hard to understand how LL have managed to keep going as long as they have. |