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Ramo Benedek
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06-01-2007 12:13
I totally agree with making SL safe! There is no room in SL for lewd, or offensive behaviours.
Anyone that engages in such an activity should be permantely banned.
I will do my best to improve my reporting on SL residents that I may find engaging in such nefarious behaviour.
I am very happy that LL has seen the light, and is cracking down on lewd and obscene and patently offensive actions that are taking place everyday in SL.
I want this to be a safe place for me to come and play.
I am sure it was an abberation of behaviour, but one day i actually SAW one resident engaging another in sexually orientated role playing. I am sorry that I need to say that it involved (ugh), 'rape roleplay'. And i'm not sure, but one of the avatars looked to me like they may have been attempting to look like a young girl.
In addition to that, I have also witnessed on occasion seemingly female avatars exposing themselves to an extent which any normal person would find patently offensive. I was shocked and dissapointed. In fact I think I may have suffered permanent psychological damage. There really needs to be a limit on the lenght of skirts, and on the coverage of a blouse. I don't want to go into SL and see such offensive things.
both of these instances were such that I was noticed before I could take a picture and report them. And I will do my best to seek out such behaviour in our safer SL, and immediatly report them.
I am setting up a group to help find such things, If anyone would like to help me in this quest please IM me.
Together we can make this a safe place, and all exchange ideas and imagination together!
Thanks for listening!
and THANK YOU SL for seeing and correcting a terrible thing.
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06-01-2007 12:16
From: Ramo Benedek I want this to be a safe place for me to come and play. Yes, you were in astounding levels of danger beforehand, as were we all - what a lucky escape! Why, I constantly felt myself unsafe and under terrible threat every moment of my days in SL, until I was reassured that LL would ban people whom I had never met and would never even see.
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Naomi Hanson
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06-01-2007 12:56
dear God no not short skirts! What is this world coming to?
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Rusty Satyr
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06-01-2007 13:02
I am all for having areas of secondlife that are "Work Safe". (I hate the PG label).
The OP sounds like they're trying to be ironic. At least I hope so. Chilling thought otherwise.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-01-2007 13:22
From: Rusty Satyr I am all for having areas of secondlife that are "Work Safe". (I hate the PG label).
The OP sounds like they're trying to be ironic. At least I hope so. Chilling thought otherwise. This sounds like one of Lorna's little ditties........
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Manami Ophelia
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06-01-2007 16:22
God help me if your actually serious... go out and look at the clothing on some of these girls these days. You'll see that things in Second Life aren't even close to that, and once more they aren't even real! If you want a safe game, go play an MMO or something. Seriously this game is about freedom and imagination, not restrictions and rules! I also do not condone rape role play or ageplay in any form, and yet I'm loathe to start removing freedom from this game for any reason =\ I'm a slippery slope type person.
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Lyn Mimistrobell
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06-01-2007 16:28
Mandatory burkas in SL next?
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Naomi Hanson
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06-01-2007 16:45
may as well, Burkas for all the women!
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Rusty Satyr
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06-01-2007 17:07
Cracks me up that people are so concerned about clothing. We won't feeze, burn or catch unsanitary ailments in secondlife. Clothing should be entirely optional. Of course... dosing up on virtual viagra might be inappropriate for a nude-friendly culture. 
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Ramo Benedek
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I totally agree with Manami
06-01-2007 17:57
From: Manami Ophelia God help me if your actually serious... go out and look at the clothing on some of these girls these days. You'll see that things in Second Life aren't even close to that, and once more they aren't even real! If you want a safe game, go play an MMO or something. Seriously this game is about freedom and imagination, not restrictions and rules! I also do not condone rape role play or ageplay in any form, and yet I'm loathe to start removing freedom from this game for any reason =\ I'm a slippery slope type person. ____________________________________ This game is about freedom and imagination. Its not REAL folks.. there isn't any real money exchanged, or 'real' emotions here. ITS ONLY A GAME!. The avatars you see on here are NOT REAL people,, they are only images conjured up in someone else's imagination. The participants are not engaging in 'real' conversations. again it is only one (hopefully age verified) adult to another. AND AS SUCH, lets KEEP IT SAFE----- FOR ALL OF US! It is up to each and every one of us to immediately report any type of behaviour in SL that is patently offensive. I for one don't want to see fictional avatars dressed inappropiatly. I especially don't want to hear or see avatars engaged in 'ageplay', or 'rapeplay', and for that matter I don't want to see anyone engaged in 'lewd, or offensive' behaviour in our game! There is just no room for that. We don't need people in SL that would even think about such kind of roleplay, or lacivious behaviour. Maybe someday soon, LL will come to thier senses and do something about the approaching conversations that take place, ---- I am sure daily,, daily I say that someone is approached with a solicitation for improper sexual roleplay. AND THAT my fellow avies is just plain flat out DISGUSTING! when they fix this problem, hopefully they will move on to fixing the other problem of making sure people don't have those kind of thoughts and meeting one another. THANK GOODNESS this is getting better. AGAIN---- THANK YOU LINDEN LABS FOR PROTECTING ME!!!!!!!!!! oh.. and perhaps we might seriously consider banning woman from the adult sections of SL. IF there were no woman in the 'mature' areas we would probably not have this problem at all, or at least cut it down significantly. That way it would be safer for everyone.
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Rusty Satyr
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06-01-2007 18:13
From: Ramo Benedek _ ITS ONLY A GAME!.
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lets KEEP IT SAFE
THANK GOODNESS this is getting better.
AGAIN---- THANK YOU LINDEN LABS FOR PROTECTING ME!!!!!!!!!!
oh.. and perhaps we might seriously consider banning woman from the adult sections of SL. IF there were no woman in the 'mature' areas we would probably not have this problem at all, or at least cut it down significantly.
That way it would be safer for everyone. Snort... okay. I'll avoid the "It's not a game" and just say "Secondlife isn't a dangerous full-contact sport."  And as a guy that prefers guys... you've got my very-non-serious-vote on banning women from mature areas... let's do it. 
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Manami Ophelia
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06-01-2007 18:18
Wow.. Ramo.. your one of those... insane zealots I look at and go oh my god how stupid can you be to take away basic freedoms. Ya ban women from SL, seeing as how many of the products in SL, including skins, hair and clothing is dedicated to women. If you go around stores you'll find far more products for women then men, so take away women and kill SL economy, see how smart an idea that is. Men have just as much to do with sexual things as women buddy boy. I can't believe you would seriously say that.... ugh.
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Ramo Benedek
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Protect us all from our thoughts
06-01-2007 18:40
It really is an easy fix,,, if there were not women in the 'mature' areas then no man would ever even have those kind of thoughts. There would be no 'rape' roleplay, or 'age roleplay'.
and besides women probably shouldn't be in such a game anyway for thier own good.
Now don't get me wrong, I most certainly can see them involved with support roles, or being employed as 'helpers'. but to allow them to be able to express thoughts as a male could in SL is not only dangerous, but damaging to them. AND NO Man wants damaged goods.
the only possible outcome is that they end up falling victim to someone who wants to engage in such behaviour,, and POSSIBLY even pays them to submit to his whims.
now of course anyone that would do such a thing should be subject to immediate ban, but if you allow those women in mature areas, we all know what can happen. And ITS NOT SAFE!
All adult women have a man they serve, and as such should be tending to his needs, and not some avatar in SL who wants to prey on her.
Additionally while LL is finally coming to thier senses, it should be considered that ALL Mexicans should be banned from adult areas. The laws are the same over in the western caribeans or whatever,,, and they don't even know the language. It is entirely possible that most of them probably want to engage in roleplay.
So come'on guys, lets keep it 'safe' for the mexicans and the women!
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Manami Ophelia
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06-01-2007 18:54
Wow... ok Ramo, maybe I'm really an oblivious person but I really hope at this point your being sarcastic. Either your being sarcastic or your incredibly, dangerously insane. I really hope its sarcasim and not insanity. Let me know which one it is please.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-01-2007 19:02
This guy cracks me up. Do you do private parties?
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Ramo Benedek
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just trying to make it safe like LL is
06-01-2007 19:04
no, I am not insane.
you are naive to think that my suggestions do not make sense.
Look at it logically. LL has stated that any kind of 'offensive' roleplay will not be tolerated in SL.
I am only suggesting that the best way to do this is to take one part of the equation out of the SL experience. If there were no woman in the 'mature' sites, then the men would not have any reason to want to engage in this kind of offensive behaviour. And It would be safer for the women.
the women could still serve, and play in various safe sites as long as they are appropiately dressed of course.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-01-2007 19:13
ROFL...Stop! You're killing me!
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06-01-2007 19:18
Can't decide if this is just sarcasm or just a troll 
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Coujo Thatch
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06-01-2007 19:25
From: Ramo Benedek no, I am not insane.
you are naive to think that my suggestions do not make sense.
Look at it logically. LL has stated that any kind of 'offensive' roleplay will not be tolerated in SL.
I am only suggesting that the best way to do this is to take one part of the equation out of the SL experience. If there were no woman in the 'mature' sites, then the men would not have any reason to want to engage in this kind of offensive behaviour. And It would be safer for the women.
the women could still serve, and play in various safe sites as long as they are appropiately dressed of course. and what... my dear psychotic, brainwashed zealot, do you consider "appropriatly dressed?" also... whats considered a daily activity to some, may very well be considered offensive to others. for example, islam law forbids women to show any part of they're body in public. and some countrys run national law exactly by the islam laws. now some people have no problem with that, however, i find it extremely offensive when someone makes any attempt to cram they're ideologies down my throat and force me to act as they see fit, rather than let me use my god given right of free will. and right now, i find YOU extremely offensive for this very reason. your self rightous skew on the metaverse and concepts of freedom therein, your laughable attempt at sounding even remotely knowledgable about how humanity percieves anything. and the fact that you want to return us to victorian times where women are meant to be in the background and the men run every bit of day to day life. honestly if thats what you want, i hear Iran has a very nice immegration service, and its very affordable to move there.
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Ramo Benedek
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I hear Iran is nice this time of year
06-01-2007 19:58
I am serious. I am only trying to state my point of view in accordance with the latest Daniel Linden's entry on the SL blog.
I agree that SL needs to be a safe nice place, where there is a free exchange of ideas, and not arbitrary judgements placed on an individual's perceived degree of morality.
If an individual is going to engage in offensive roleplay with another individual who is also consenting to such roleplay, since it is patently offensive to the community at large, it needs to be put to a stop for thier own protection and safety. Just because those two individuals are consenting adults, and not in physical proximity of one or the other, does not make such behaviours and virtual fantasies any LESS offensive to the community.
I only suggest taking one side out of the equation because it is more likely to be easier to solve the problem.
And I agree with the people who want to police my thoughts and conversations, because they most likely know what is good for me. After all I am only one mind, and there are many out there that are sure what I SHOULD be thinking. And i appreciate thier kind help. this allieves me of the burdon of having to come up with orgiginal thoughts, or using my own mind for my own entertainment.
well all know two heads are better than one.
And, although it is draconian, I think it very logical that if LL was to get rid of the women in adult areas, force them to cover, and only speak when spoken to while they served in the role of subservience then the only outcome would be a much safer place in which for them to serve and be needed, thus satisfying thier needs.
That eliminates risk of dangerous roleplaying activities and makes it safer for all.
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Talarus Luan
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06-01-2007 20:35
Naw, he's not a troll. He's running a good cover for one, though.  /laff
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Shea Spoonhammer
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Censorship in SL is wrong
06-01-2007 20:42
While I do not condone rape roleplay, or ageplay, or most "offensive acts", Daniel Lindens post left a huge whole for censorship, and I would request it be removed from the blog. Basically anything that someone finds offensive can be reported at this point. Combat sims, sex sims, and any other sim that someone wishes not to see could be reported. A personally owned sim should have the right to have the content they choose to. As a SL player you have the right NOT to go there.
I don't go to ageplay sims, I don't go to sex sims, but I do go to graphic violence combat roleplay sims. Of course the sims contain nothing more graphic that modern horror movies. I don't place myself in any position to judge what they do in private. Most of those complaining I have found are in fact peeping toms, using camera limits to spy on these people engaging in these acts. What gives you the right?
If you want SL to turn into the very lame There.com
If you want the atmosphere of There, then go there. SL is an open environment with private sims. If you caught doing something on public land, then yes get reported, but if your in a sex skybox, then I don't want to know what you're doing, and its none of my business.
I find Nazi billboards offensive, I find anti-American bill boards, and Anti- religion billboards offensive. I have seen all of these in SL, and I am miffed off when I see them, but then I remember that in America, I fight for those morons to have an opinion. 48 of my brothers lost there lives so that those morons can have an opinion and voice it in a US based game.
SL was created with user freedom in mind, the forefathers of SL had a vision, and although maybe they didn't have SL sex in mind, they still set the premise for it to exist. Sex in SL has existed since the opening of SL. Violence was intended in the first betas of SL with the combat lands, and heart meters. I can choose not to partake, or I can choose to partake to my hearts content. Everyone else including the person who started this post can choose what they see in SL, and if they see something in a non-mature sim, then they SHOULD report it. If they see something in a gorean sim they don't like, or they see something in a group sex bondage sim, or they see something in a ageplay sim (not sure if there is one, but I am sure someone has it by now), or they see some "graphic violence" in a hardcore combat sim, then you have the right to leave, to not go there, but if you're there waving your offended flag in any of the mentioned sims, then you should be BANNED for HARASSMENT.
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Draco18s Majestic
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06-01-2007 20:53
From: Ramo Benedek the women could still serve, and play in various safe sites as long as they are appropiately dressed of course. Wel, in my culture, "appropriately dressed females" are naked. The males are too of course, so no one minds. We're all in the scale as it were, so why bother "dressing up"?
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Havsome Paine
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Nazi's, Communists, 1984 on line?
06-01-2007 21:47
What LL is proposing sounds like what the Nazi and Communist asked their kids to do, turn in your parents if they dont follow the standards, turn in your neighbors if the dont look right. Heck it sounds very much like 1984.
LL is asking people to inform on others to keep SL safe or if they find it offensive. The offensive part is setting up a situation that will tear this place apart.. What one group finds normal, others find offense. If I dont like what one group did or someone was mean to me, I can destroy them by reporting them to the LL Gestapo. That group will disappear. No questions, heck there doesnt even have to be any truths. The owners are taken out into the woods and executed (banned) their work, their property, their investments are confiscated and lost. No trail, no options, GONE.
Look on the Polce Blooter, they are suspending groups for just having an offensive name.
Hmm, seems to much like what we in the US or the greatest generation fought and died for by defating the Nazi, by winning the Cold War.
I myself come into SL to escape from my 1st life, if LL is going to turn it into a 1st life, I see no reason to stay in here, No reason to spend any money, and frankly I think many others will feel the same and and hopefully SL will perish. I come to Sl to be allowed to explore have fun, and unwind.
I am pissed that I have invested in a new computer to make SL work.
Another thougt, I find it very interesting the LL has used what they are now calling offense, Porn, roleplay, etc. to help create this place to make money off this group, now they want to go legit, they go on a witch hunt to cull the offensive.
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Rusty Satyr
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06-01-2007 22:27
From: Ramo Benedek I am serious. I am only trying to state my point of view in accordance with the latest Daniel Linden's entry on the SL blog.
I agree that SL needs to be a safe nice place, where there is a free exchange of ideas, and not arbitrary judgements placed on an individual's perceived degree of morality.
If an individual is going to engage in offensive roleplay with another individual who is also consenting to such roleplay, since it is patently offensive to the community at large, it needs to be put to a stop for thier own protection and safety. Just because those two individuals are consenting adults, and not in physical proximity of one or the other, does not make such behaviours and virtual fantasies any LESS offensive to the community.
I only suggest taking one side out of the equation because it is more likely to be easier to solve the problem.
And I agree with the people who want to police my thoughts and conversations, because they most likely know what is good for me. After all I am only one mind, and there are many out there that are sure what I SHOULD be thinking. And i appreciate thier kind help. this allieves me of the burdon of having to come up with orgiginal thoughts, or using my own mind for my own entertainment.
well all know two heads are better than one.
And, although it is draconian, I think it very logical that if LL was to get rid of the women in adult areas, force them to cover, and only speak when spoken to while they served in the role of subservience then the only outcome would be a much safer place in which for them to serve and be needed, thus satisfying thier needs.
That eliminates risk of dangerous roleplaying activities and makes it safer for all. Wow. Racism, sexism, trolling... even if you're merely jesting, (which it sounds less and less likely that you are) you've certain got a lot of gall to risk banning by espousing your, um, rather arch-conservative ideals. Considering that SecondLife also has a sizable GAY population, how do you expect your 'no women in mature areas' to solve that? HmmmmMMMMm?
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