When did age play become illegal?

Concerning representation : With 122 replies and more than 1,000 clicks this thread represents the need of informing the users and the need that something has to be done, never mind which will be the specific and particular result.

So I think it would be nice if some official Linden would be so kind and post something here telling us what is planned our talked about internally. I know the blog, I know the wiki, I know some other inofficial websites. But I would like to have some feedback here in the forum showing us, the users, that LL loves us

Ok, LL invented SL and runs the business but ..
We are Second Life !
...and concerning such a serious issue I'd love them to talk to us this way.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Erm so wearing a cartoon skin is illegal (Sorry I'm not quoting the person who said that, lost the page where he/she said it)

if it was illegal then they should arrest the guy who has cat ears and whiskers IRL, and hell should arrest most of us furry's, if it was illegal then why do furrys exist in second life? or did I miss read the persons Reply toward mine? Which if I Did, people should really learn to specifie for us who have comperhanding disorders >.<

A few things,

first, a vote would be pointless, too many would say that ageplay is child porn so ban it, without understanding the discussion. It would be the same fore a vote on furries, and no doubt on scat play if people knew it was about human toilets, and excriment.

need to seperate issues here as well, age verification is a different topic to age play which is a different topic to child porn.

need a linden to explain what is going on with the ageplay subject, on a broader medium than the forums. Most of my friends dont post here.

Sort out legalities, which law do we follow? American, where the servers are based? Your own as it is your place of residence? or Americas and your own? What about the european court? Need to know who we are potentially upsetting.

Finally, people need to understand ageplay, scat play, vamporism, beastiality, rape and abduction, and other offence things.

And lets not touch on religion.

We are all adults, doing adult pursuits, just using different skins to alter our real appearance, heck we dont even know if the girl or guy is a real girl or guy, let alone if they really are over 18, etc etc etc

Leaving the entire post in the quote, as it's all important.

Speaking, however, on one issue. "Which law do we follow?"

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the board room at Linden Lab when they meet with their legal counsel. They're incorporated in the state of California, in the United States. "The Service" however is offered globally. Eventually, they will provision servers in the EU, and probably expand out from there.

I believe that what we are seeing and experiencing here are preliminary efforts on the part of Linden Lab to become a multi national corporation. This speaks to my oft repeated "pressure on the outer wall" statements. For this endeavor to succeed, they're going to have to reign in the platform, and its resident activities, so that it has a chance of meeting laws of multiple nations somewhere toward the middle.

Fringe players might just get left out in the cold, vaccuous space that exists outside the grid, as it evolves into a global platform. I don't want to see the sin industries disappear entirely, as I believe they play a necessary role in the overall character of the Second Life community. It is the element of those industries and communities who continue to stress the edges who will give Linden Lab cause to tighten the restraints, to keep the infrastructure friendly to the markets they wish to enter.

On to the question.. "which law do we follow?"

There isn't a lawyer in the real world who can answer that question. We are entering un-charted waters here. Expect inconvenient shifts in policy along the way. Gravitate toward the center.. it's safer there. Don't expect the platform to accomodate adult-on-child avatar sex, and don't expect a clear, detailed definition of that either. Figure that out for yourself. If your idea doesn't jive with Linden Lab's, you'll know soon enough.

Most of all, hang in there. This Second Life thing isn't going to go away. Be a part of its development, influence its growth. It's truly an amazing thing.

I think its a slippery slope if you are going to associate anything real to an avatar or RP.
As far as the arguments that it encourages illegal behavior... well

They said that about kids playing violent video games...

They said that about violent movies corrupting the masses.

They said that about pot turning people into psychotic maniacs.

They said that about guns... oh wait, the government defends that one with a vengence. (follow the money).

I mean really, the contention here is that a 54 and 27 year old were engaged in child pornography with each other. No children were ever involved. I mean sure, 27 is a lil young for a 54 year old, would it have been better if he was doing it with a little pink bunny?

And have you ever considered the VERY real possibility that this German TV show set this all up themselve for a sensational story? They would not reveal any sources. Would you not put this past them or do you take everything the media tells you as fact?

I sometimes play around in Gor. What is next, slave abuse? Illegal confinement? Rape?Kidnapping? Murder? These are all popular RP. What is it, society so desensitized on these issues or they don't push the right hot buttons or make a good TV expose?

I do not engage in ageplay and I do find it distasteful, but I have learned through the years that you have to defend peoples rights because they may come for you next. I think a variation of that originated in Germany also...

You are deluding yourself into thinking that your limits are everyone elses. There are people who think BDSM is as bad as you see AgePlay. Hell, there are people who think a woman being alone in a room with an unrelated male is as bad as you think Age Play is. You and LL are deluded if you think this will stop with Age Play. Once you start banning something that is legal because it offends some people you have no basis to object when things you enjoy are banned because they offend others.
Personally I am disgusted with the Lindens for banning the people involved in this as long as there were no real children involved. People are screaming about the age verification, which I think is needed and am not worried about, but to see them taking what made SL what it is...the freedom to be who you want to be...and throwing it away makes me makes me sad and angry with LL. It also makes me sad and angry with people like you, commonly called sheep...people who let others decide what is right for them.

What will/should LL do when they receive a request from the Saudi Arabian prosecuting authorities for the RL name and address of someone they suspect is breaking their law from their territory by having cybersex, thus "depicting and promoting adulterous activity" ?

for "Saudi Arabia" read any one of many jurisdictions.

for "adultery" read any one of numerous behaviours allowable in the west but heavily punishable elsewhere.

Bestiality ? Homosexuality ? Not wearing a veil ? Immodest dress ?

What should LL do ? It will happen.

If we all don't stand up to LL and show them that if they continue to bow down to companies and the media, we won't have a Second Life anymore. It'll go from what we all came to enjoy and love to something automated, faker then fake. lol, if that's possible. Anyways they'll keep tryong to cover thier asses and not really give a damn about the people who made SL what it is today. Yeah sure the provide means for us to create but that's it. We created it all. If we continue to let things happen the way it is now we won't be able to be a cat or a dog, a vampire or child. I see people having romance and many friends here, hanging out and doing things, building, laughing. All of this will change and friendships broken, love destroyed because of things like the media and big crops coming in and trying to make SL what they think it should be for all of us. My shitty opinion. Take it as you want.


::edited for typos kinda, lol, where is the spell checker?::

I've read many things in this and similar threads which almost made me post my two cents worth, but nothing riled me up that much as this sentence.

First, in my personal view sexual ageplay is sick to the core. This is one of the adults playing out a fantasy of sexually harassing a child, pure and simple, and name me one, just one, culture which is not too far removed from western standards that sees no fault in such things - sexually harassing children. There is always the danger that one of them begins to think acting out in SL doesn't satisfy any more and decides to try that on an actual child in RL. Such people need therapy - or be locked away, but they should have no place in SL to act out their sick fantasies.

I may not be entirely happy with LindenLab's current priorities (like adding new features instead of fixing essential ones), but I completely agree with their zero-tolerance stance and the consequent execution of it.

I don't suppose nearly every ancient culture counts?

I personally think its good and bad. I do understand about people being grossed out by age play and i dont get why people do that still but that is not me to judge. Why I think its good is it will filter out the little kids who are making SL a mess and who should not be playing. THe rest of how I feel is negative.

1. One of my aunts lets her 7 year old boy play GTA. Now I think this is messed up and should not be allowed but she is who gave him that permission. I wont let the kid step in my house and try to play that but he can back at his home all the time.

2. For rp purposes not all people playing as children do it for sex or gross things. One of my friends on SL was rping in a sim with me as an orphan who had no home. He just wants to act childish and be like a child. I and many others in that rp are taking care of him and watching out of him but more like parents than anything. So far in the sim we rped in everything was smooth and no sex was ever rped as of what i know. Now because of this age thing griefers or what i like to call the new age griefers shot the crap out of my friend when he was in his avatar for that rp. He wont even go into that sim right now untill things start to cool down with all this fighting back and fourth.

3. I think that if this age thing is risking many people in SL. If you provide someone with a credit card number, than it has to be logged. If you type something in on the net, it has to be processed somewhere. Now LL is asking us to provide our S.S. number digits, 4 out of the 9 which is almost half, Our credit card (for premiums which is what I was going to be doing in the next month), Our full name, address, and email. I am up for all but the S.S. number but I know many are worried about Credit card theft and Identification Theft. I see people not in the U.S. just need to provide a drivers license or something but personally I dont see how that will help. I am willing to provide my Driver's License but not any of my S.S. number. I will call about this when you start the age thing and state exactly how I feel again about the checking thing.

4. I have seen the numbers online on SL go down dramatically since this was talked about. Personally I feel this is a dumb move on LL and will cause lots of people to stop playing. If I feel this is getting any worse I will stop playing probably all together.

It's 10:20 am on a Monday, there are 28,500 people online, somehow I don't think that's a dramatic drop, seeing as last I heard peak times on weekends were around 30 to 31 thousand.

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