Working with weaponstesting sandbox

I know you are all probally tired of the complaints and problem with weapontesting sandbox (A.K.A. the box) and so are we.

By we i mean the regulars that go in the sandbox everyday to hang out and chat with friends AND take care of the box since no one else will. i have been hanging out in the box pretty much since i started in SL. i love it here most of the time but here lately espcially since you witched to the 5 hour return time and the removal of live help we are offten left with a permently lagged sim with constant crashes. we get greifers all the time that love to just come by and drop around 50 followers some screaming some just big and annoying.. every day we have stuff that clusters and gets in the way of us hanging out, scripting, building, or just goofing off. we arnt to much worried about people coming around shooting us cause that happens it is the box afterall. we are wanting the sim itself taken care of.

now we do, do what we can to clean up by pushing some of the stuff off world and or getting us to folow us in the safe zone so it delete after 5 mins. but other than that there isnt anything we can do other than write an AR which we all know doesnt get anything done cause you wont see it for awhile and we are still stuck in a laggy/crashing sim.

think of it this way.... you have been haning out in one sim the whole time for your SL experiance and all of asudden your abbandoned of the help you need to enjoy your SL experiance in that sim.

i have even heard a member of my group say "the abandonment (of helping us in the box) makes me want to quit SL"

now threw my group we have all thought up of a few ideas to help

ideas:

1- honestly i think this would be the most efficent cause we can take care of it AS its hapening. give some of the regulars to the box RETURN/DELELTE rghts. thats it... no banning no freezing just return and delete. now freeze and kicking rights would offten help with greifers so they understand and get the point that they cant do that but some go to far with those rights so i dont suggest that... just the return/delete rights so we can clean up the stuff thats causing a problem. now i know your saying who should get this. well its hard for you to decide that soince you dont know the regulars so i will give you a list of some good people and you can decide from that.

Rooster Misfit
Sin Vansant
Chris LaFontaine
Han Sontse
Joker Opus
Eata Kitty
Net Antwerp
Websnake Nightshade
Trent Platthy
Blabla2 Eponym
Rex Cronon
Horseplay Yamauba

those are regulars of the box that i deal with almost every day that i feel could handle the powers without letting them get to their head and abusing them

2- have a full sim delete every 2-4 hours. this would delete everything keeping the sim from constantly being filled

3- have a few lindens for the box so we can call on them when we need them and they will be there when we need them

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now that we have all of that taken care of i will leave you with some pictures of the box when its messed up and i welcome anyone who has pictures of the box all messed up and filled to post your pictures too so it can be evident that we arnt just making it up or wanting power

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in this picture the red and blue is actually mega prims that strobed red and blue (glad im not epaleptic). there is various followers and junk all over. take notice to the minimap.... its covered with the mega prims



that big ball of black stuff and penises are followers



this is a set of self rplicating boxes... yeah that one filled the prims of the sim QUICK



those blue and black things to the right are all followers and there is quite a mess too

like i said anyone that has pictures of weaponstesting all spammed and messed up please post them
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Rooster Misfit

The thing is folks. It may seem like we are overdoing the whole Weapon Testing gig, however those pictures are things that happen EVERY DAY. Lindens have crash logs and they can view them seeing that the sandbox crashes at an average of 4-5 times dayly.
People take light of that sandbox as a garbage dump, and basicly thats what it is nowadays. If you walk in there you will see a barage of ecplicit followers, noisespam that floods your ears no matter how many you mute, getting orbited so much its a nessisary precaution that you use a nonphys. These things must not be nessisary for a sandbox!Sandboxes are created for building, and some for other things, This is for weapon testing - not spaming, and prim clutter. Its a MESS!
A year ago that sandbox wasnt like that. It had occasional basses, and big prims, but NEVER Mature followers, or noisespam to that degree... And these days it makes it harder to report the events that happen in that sim.

THE LEAST WE ASK FOR
The least we ask for is no power nessisary, but atleast give that sandbox a 30 minute auto return. You may say to yourself that 'but its a sandbox! People build there!' but thats false! One: you cant build there when getting orbited and trapped every 5 seconds. And two: Its a weapon TESTING sim, not a building sim.

Please look over our thoughts and give us light on what YOU think...

Oh and you forgot the poofers: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/Jokeir/WeaponTesting_001.jpg

How about this: Pool your money together, buy a sim, and have your own private weapons sandbox which you could control to a much greater extent than anything you ask of the Lindens. With 10 people in the pot, it wouldn't be all that expensive, about US$30/month in tier.

To offset the cost, make a quarter of the sim retail, and charge rent for weapons-related shops. Or, charge a fee for use of the sandbox (L$10/hour) or something.

I can only agree with what's been written here.

As a WT Sandbox regular myself, I see the necessisity for -at least- the autoreturn action. 20-30 minutes..that'd be perfect in my opinion. It would reduce the daily load this sandbox gets drastically, and at least would give people time to do their testing whenever the followers and garbage gets removed this regularly.

Some regulars with return rights would add to keeping the sandbox cgrief-clean immensly. Right now the bottom line is, that it's close to unusable.

Oh snap your fingers problem solved... We can all just pitch in and buy a SIM...

I'm not paying for any SL Real Estate until there is a major, sustained, improvement in the level of service provided by Linden Labs.

And further, I do not want to see SL turn into a grid full of exclusive gated communities.

The public spaces in SL especially the sandboxes are there for ALL of us to be able to use.
As you can see from the pictures above some seem to want to make sure that NO ONE can use them.

Part of the charm of the public spaces DoteDote is that you get to meet people that you would not otherwise meet in a private sim....

WTSB is also used in testing objects and systems that it would be unwise to test elsewhere due to potentially griefy failures during testing...

Its no fun to be in a building oriented sim, public or private and get knocked off the build by an experimental project that is running amok... WTSB is the place to test "dangerous" things without putting others who are not prepared to deal with it in "harms" way.

And because of the stated purpose of WTSB the kind of people that go there (aside from the trouble-makers) are people who make major contributions to SL's economy.

The economy does not run on prim hair, bling, and Cybering alone, honey..... There's big money in competition grade weapons.... and there are few places to test them. When WTSB is useable it is inarguably the best sim for this purpose.

A private sim does not fit the bill since real combat situations involve unpredictable LAG from other users....

We do not expect WTSB to become a library reading room.... that would be contrary to everything that the environment is about.

We simply want to stop the common Griefer practice of rez-and-run griefing.
If their garbage does not stay in the sim for more than 20 minutes or is aggressively returned then there is no incentive for them to continue developing ever more elaborate ways of poisoning a sim!

--- MC

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/Liquid-Stiller/Mariosl.jpg
o.o

-Sin

Well said Metaforest Cheetah

i know i would build there some times if it wasnt so laggy so 20 mins wouldnt do well at all... and the reason hardly anyone builds is cause its to laggy... i thik we would all like to do our work and chat at the same time

I used to build there all the time, twas more my home then any other place, but now i can hardly function let along build as i used to.

It still is my home. Besides the fact that I cant move there....

yeah sim crashes just fo us to return so it can crash just as we get back in

Better Idea, why don't LL just give the weapons testing sandbox to griefer groups tier free and kick the residents out!

Oh wait, I think that's what's happening now................

Or we could just close all public sandboxes so everyone needs to pay to build in one.....

Personally I enjoy the WTSB often, though not a regular, and the guys there are cool people, been orbited a few times of course, sometimes I been asked nicely if I would consent to testing something, others not, but it does really phase me, I've tested weapons there before that have targeted others without me knowing or been a bigger area of effect than I imagined, and most of the guys take it pretty well with an apology.

But the followers were probably cute back in 2004 but now they replicate too they are just annoying, causing lag that makes you do things like fire twice instead of once or select the wrong target. Some of the crap about has been there for weeks, I wonder If we all put a non-griefing cube down each till we filled the sim limit whether it would get wiped even then How about a daily wipe please or return anything after even 4 hours, not many would do a 4 hour build there as its a weapons testing area not a castle construction site and if they did they would be smart enough to back it up anyway.

The landscape used to be nice & warzonish but now it is just UGLY with adult content & spam griefing objects. I suggest that for it to function properly as a weappons testing area that this sim be kept well down low on it's prim usage to minimise lag as much as possible. Actuallly I suspect it possibly may be better to ban building completely from say 70% of the sim, leaving a dozen or so designated building areas so weapons can still be used all over but only built in these places.

Then again I suggest the other sandboxes could do with a clean and more watchful eye too. I went to the Brasil Sandbox yesterday, it was imaculate, nice builds sitting around and every Brasil orientation sim I visited of the 4 they have had at least 3 Live helpers present for only 20 residents in each. Lupleh the cat furry is the only Helper I ever see when touring InfoHubs.

Nicely said!
I think its safe to say that that place has gone to hell a long time ago..
On a good day there will be noise and chat spam, but you will be able to walk and fly in the sandbox. And On a bad day.... Well lets just say you arent able to move, chat, fly, build, or even stand through the place. Its hard to see that newbies, and yest JUST newbies - I havent seen ANY normal residents throw out a megaprim, and rez 15 - 30 spinning, following batmans to intentionally crash the sim.. And some might be alts - you never know..


PLEASE FIX THE WEAPON TESTING SANDBOX - AN OLD SECONDLIFE HANGOUT!(If you want to fix the SB - add this to your profile)

Divide the sim into 70 or so parcells but only allow building on 7 of them, and move them around every week, the regulars will find them ok, griefers mightn't be bothered.

The lindens should have never removed live help.

Aye

I IMed Data linden the other day, he wasent there. I cant see what lindens are on due to the damn update in the search they did back whenever, and now no live help. im 90% sure they really dont care about the people, just the program and what they can do with it. I got a IM back from him today saying if i needed help to send a message to some thing or another. aka never getting any help within the year.

We need better people running SL, or atleast one in the large group to give a rats ass about the people and there problems or atleast there grid

do i hear the writing of pink slips?

Hmm Weapons Testing Sandbox has been down a couple of hours now by the looks, I can't even find it on the grid to see.

The Lindens have always been able to hide their online status as well as not be listed in search.

True *points up* - But I think he is focusing more on the support issue rather than the in-world Liaisons. (Live Help, Linden Answers, Ect)

There's an "and" in that sentence. Admittedly I should have put my snipping scisors in above it.

i dun want a pink slip

I want a purple slip