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Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 15:35
From: Ciaran Laval

Yet people do respond to you Yumi, as others have said, if people had no respect for you they wouldn't respond to you at all.


But they only respond when I'm being negative, and in keeping me being negative. (Points to the "have to add 3 digit decimal numbers on a desktop calculator just to make objects touch" above, and the "I despise my avatar" on the other thread.)
Gabriele Graves
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05-19-2009 15:39
From: Yumi Murakami
My products no longer sell; and they were only plain scripted gadgets. Anything with any of my personality in it has been rejected.
You miss the point - the stars mean you got the validation. To say you get none is incorrect - you just choose not to recognise it and explain it away.

From: Yumi Murakami
Not at all. Free will means that people can choose not to buy it for any reason, or for no reason.
En masse without a single exception? Bullshit, complete and utter bullshit. Did they form a working group to discuss how they were going bypass your voting script or just use telepathy?

From: Yumi Murakami
Any of these could be bypassed by others so the point stands.
No you are very wrong, if you fail to persevere then you will miss sales, if you think you will fail, you will not persevere, and if despite getting some validation you do not recognise it then you will think you are failing and you will not persevere. You took down your script - you still have not said why. I have never taken down a product I put up for sale on XStreetSL. If there even the smallest chance someone will buy it then it costs you nothing to leave it there. So why didn't you?
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Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 15:45
From: Yumi Murakami
But they only respond when I'm being negative, and in keeping me being negative. (Points to the "have to add 3 digit decimal numbers on a desktop calculator just to make objects touch" above, and the "I despise my avatar" on the other thread.)


I'm not sure of your history here, I honestly haven't pegged you as being under a cloud of negativity but I don't follow every thread. I would say that you don't believe in yourself and no manner of forum posts will change that. Ask yourself what you want, some of us have thicker skins so it's easier for me to brush off negatvity, even though I am quite admittedly a miserable git.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 15:53
From: Gabriele Graves
You miss the point - the stars mean you got the validation. To say you get none is incorrect - you just choose not to recognise it and explain it away.


Again, I had validation as a utility scripter, but not as anything else.

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En masse without a single exception? Bullshit, complete and utter bullshit. Did they form a working group to discuss how they were going bypass your voting script or just use telepathy?


Why do they have to communicate? Unconstrained freedom is neither deterministic nor random, so there is no need for communication nor a "probability" that everyone would at once.

From: someone
No you are very wrong, if you fail to persevere then you will miss sales, if you think you will fail, you will not persevere, and if despite getting some validation you do not recognise it then you will think you are failing and you will not persevere.


And if you held a gun to my head and told me to persevere then I would. QED; others can override all these things. Of course, that's not a solution that either me or the other person would like or be prepared to accept; but it proves possibliity, and there are other ways, such as regular verbal persuasion.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 15:54
From: Ciaran Laval
I'm not sure of your history here, I honestly haven't pegged you as being under a cloud of negativity but I don't follow every thread. I would say that you don't believe in yourself and no manner of forum posts will change that. Ask yourself what you want, some of us have thicker skins so it's easier for me to brush off negatvity, even though I am quite admittedly a miserable git.


*nod* But what I mean is that in spite of posting those things, nobody has mentioned anything about avatar design, nor about using shift-G. As if they don't want me to know..
Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 15:57
From: Yumi Murakami
*nod* But what I mean is that in spite of posting those things, nobody has mentioned anything about avatar design, nor about using shift-G. As if they don't want me to know..


I have no idea what you're talking about, what's wrong with your avatar? Yumi don't give me riddles, it's late here!
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:01
From: Ciaran Laval
I have no idea what you're talking about, what's wrong with your avatar? Yumi don't give me riddles, it's late here!


I posted that I despised my avatar but nobody offered any suggestions or help; and I posted that you have to add decimal numbers together to align prims when there are multiple other ways of doing it. The point is, nobody told me, presumably showing that they didn't want me to know. That's the kind of rejection I'm talking about.
Gabriele Graves
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05-19-2009 16:02
From: Yumi Murakami
Again, I had validation as a utility scripter, but not as anything else.
As I have had also, as a scripter of a product that has a practical use. It is no different and yet you point to me as validated and yourself as not.

From: Yumi Murakami
Why do they have to communicate? Unconstrained freedom is neither deterministic nor random, so there is no need for communication nor a "probability" that everyone would at once.
If you got everything right in the product technically and with your marketing then the chances of not getting even one sale ever is so preposterously low that it would mean there is collusion involved in not buying your product just to deny you validation. Again I say BS.

From: Yumi Murakami
And if you held a gun to my head and told me to persevere then I would. QED; others can override all these things. Of course, that's not a solution that either me or the other person would like or be prepared to accept; but it proves possibliity, and there are other ways, such as regular verbal persuasion.
However you don't override it and so you don't get what you desire - you deny yourself the very thing you want. Nobody else needs a gun to the head to make them persevere, why should you?

End result is still the same and my observations are spot on.
All you are doing Yumi, is proving me right about you being in denial. Seriously, if you cannot get past this stage and see it for what it is then you need some professional help to try with you because what you need is simply not possible via the forums, in SL and depending on when you become really ready to listen, may not be possible for some time in RL either.
The first step is to acknowledge you need this kind of help and that the problem is with you - not social validation or acceptance.
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05-19-2009 16:05
From: Gabriele Graves
As i have also had as a scripter of a product that has a practical use. It is no different and yet you point to me as validated and yourself as not.
Hey, I haven't been validated as a science fiction writer, notable art lover, or psychic detective. It really sucks not being brilliant at everything, I think I'll go eat worms.
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Gabriele Graves
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05-19-2009 16:07
From: Argent Stonecutter
Hey, I haven't been validated as a science fiction writer, notable art lover, or psychic detective. It really sucks not being brilliant at everything, I think I'll go eat worms.
Hey, we validated you as the offical forum sock eater didn't we? What more do you want? *laughs*
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Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:07
From: Gabriele Graves
As i have also had as a scripter of a product that has a practical use. It is no different and yet you point to me as validated and yourself as not.


Well, if you didn't feel you were validated by them then your argument up to here would have proceeded differently.

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If you got everything right in the product technically and with your marketing then the chances of not getting even one sale ever is so preposterously low that it would mean there is collusion involved in not buying your product just to deny you validation. Again I say BS.


Again, when free will is involved there are no "chances".

From: someone
However you don't override it and so you don't get what you desire - you deny yuorself the very thing you want. Nobody else needs a gun to the head to make them persevere, why should you?


That wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying is, you can't just say it's my fault and end there because others, or even just circumstances, could (by similar techniques) fix those problems.

From: someone
All you are doing Yumi, is proving me right about you being in denial. Seriously, if you cannot get past this stage and see it for what it is then you need some professional help


Ahhh, because "you don't agree with me, you need a psychiatrist"! That's going in the putrid tactics thread. And I'm not in denail - nobody is really saying much, so I have to think of something to keep saying, or go quiet and never get anything. (Points to the prim alingment and avatar design exampla above.)
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:08
From: Argent Stonecutter
Hey, I haven't been validated as a science fiction writer, notable art lover, or psychic detective. It really sucks not being brilliant at everything, I think I'll go eat worms.


You've been validated as a _ferret_, which is far closer to what I was wanting. :)
Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 16:09
From: Yumi Murakami
I posted that I despised my avatar but nobody offered any suggestions or help; and I posted that you have to add decimal numbers together to align prims when there are multiple other ways of doing it. The point is, nobody told me, presumably showing that they didn't want me to know. That's the kind of rejection I'm talking about.


Well I often use prim docker for aligning prims, it costs around L$400 but it saves me time but sometimes I resort to a calculator, things can go a bit awry at 2000M for some reason, no idea why.

No ideas about avatar proprtions, Briana posted a guide. I get told off for not wearing my AO and a friend of mine complains that without it I will be waddling like a duck next to her so I'm not much help there I'm afraid.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:36
From: Ciaran Laval
Well I often use prim docker for aligning prims, it costs around L$400 but it saves me time but sometimes I resort to a calculator, things can go a bit awry at 2000M for some reason, no idea why.

No ideas about avatar proprtions, Briana posted a guide. I get told off for not wearing my AO and a friend of mine complains that without it I will be waddling like a duck next to her so I'm not much help there I'm afraid.


Sure, and thanks, but these are sort of only grudging after I pointed it out, not on comparison with the help others get in places like /8/81/297811/1.html , /327/ac/274749/1.html , /327/9b/319710/1.html etc. - that's why I feel there's something wrong with me compared to them.
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05-19-2009 16:43
From: Yumi Murakami
Sure, and thanks, but these are sort of only grudging after I pointed it out, not on comparison with the help others get in places like /8/81/297811/1.html , /327/ac/274749/1.html , /327/9b/319710/1.html etc. - that's why I feel there's something wrong with me compared to them.


Yumi I didn't actually think you were serious about the desktop calculator to be honest, I'm a little miffed that you think I mentioned prim docker grudgingly, I'd have mentioned it had I thought you were looking for such a devce.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:44
From: Ciaran Laval
Yumi I didn't actually think you were serious about the desktop calculator to be honest, I'm a little miffed that you think I mentioned prim docker gruudgingly, I'd have mentioned it had I thought you were looking for such a devce.


Sorry. I didn't mean that your response had been grudging, just that it only came after I'd highlighted it several times, and that you're the only one who responded (compared to the activity in those threads). I personally don't use primdocker because it's a fairly simple script.
Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 16:47
From: Yumi Murakami
Sorry. I didn't mean that your response had been grudging, just that it only came after I'd highlighted it several times, and that you're the only one who responded (compared to the activity in those threads).


If I'd seen those other posts I would have mentioned it, well if I'd seen them in context. Sometimes it all gets lost in the foray.
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05-19-2009 16:48
From: Yumi Murakami
I personally don't use primdocker because it's a fairly simple script.


I am so going to spank you, why on earth aren't you selling your own prim docker, it's a bloody useful tool.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:52
From: Ciaran Laval
I am so going to spank you, why on earth aren't you selling your own prim docker, it's a bloody useful tool.


Because
a) there has been no interest;
b) I don't feel the need to start a war with the person who wrote the existing one, which would likely have no winner in the end;
c) it should be a client function anyway;
d) shift+g is quicker and faster.
Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 16:54
From: Yumi Murakami
Because
a) I don't feel the need to start a war with the person who wrote the existing one, which would likely have no winner in the end;
b) it should be a client function anyway;
c) shift+g is quicker and faster.


Yumi you're not starting a war with anyone, you're offering an alternative product. That is all.
Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 16:56
From: Ciaran Laval
Yumi you're not starting a war with anyone, you're offering an alternative product. That is all.


If I could make an alternative that took a different approach than the existing one, I would have. But there's been no interest in such a thing nor in a similar product. Essentially I would be reproducing the existing product, and I know from painful experience that in the scripting market that can simply trigger a death spiral which ends with every possible useful scripted function in the OmMistiMultiTool that sells for L$1.
Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 17:01
From: Yumi Murakami
If I could make an alternative that took a different approach than the existing one, I would have. But there's been no interest in such a thing nor in a similar product. Essentially I would be reproducing the existing product, and I know from painful experience that in the scripting market that can simply trigger a death spiral which ends with every possible useful scripted function in the OmMistiMultiTool that sells for L$1.


What are we going to do with you, there is a lot of interest in building aides.
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05-19-2009 17:03
From: Yumi Murakami
Well, if you didn't feel you were validated by them then your argument up to here would have proceeded differently.
No, you are assuming things about me you cannot know.


From: Yumi Murakami
Again, when free will is involved there are no "chances".
No, there are definitely probabilities and likelihoods, you just don't wish to see it.


From: Yumi Murakami
That wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying is, you can't just say it's my fault and end there because others, or even just circumstances, could (by similar techniques) fix those problems.
Oh yes I can, changes must come from you if you want things to change.

From: Yumi Murakami
Ahhh, because "you don't agree with me, you need a psychiatrist"! That's going in the putrid tactics thread. And I'm not in denail - nobody is really saying much, so I have to think of something to keep saying, or go quiet and never get anything. (Points to the prim alingment and avatar design exampla above.)
No, you are putting words in my mouth, for a start I advocated a counsellor, not a psychiatrist and secondly it is not because you disagree with me at all. I think you need counselling because you clearly have personal issues that are causing your problems and making you unhappy and I beleive that counselling will help you resolve them - it was not meant as an attack but as a means to guide you to help.

One thing to reflect on is that you have already changed your story from "I don't get any validation" (see past posts) to admitting that you have got some validation from your previous scripting (post #104). You also stated that others use that validation momentum to go on making new things and thereby getting more validation.
So why didn't you use that validation to continue as others have?
What made you different?
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Yumi Murakami
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05-19-2009 17:17
From: Ciaran Laval
What are we going to do with you, there is a lot of interest in building aides.


No one has posted or commented on anything lacking in the Prim Docker, and splitting the market just for the sake of it is unnecessary and spiteful. Plus, as I said, Shift+G can do anything it can do (as far as I've seen) so selling it at all is a bit iffy to me.
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05-19-2009 17:21
From: Yumi Murakami
No one has posted or commented on anything lacking in the Prim Docker, and splitting the market just for the sake of it is unnecessary and spiteful. Plus, as I said, Shift+G can do anything it can do (as far as I've seen) so selling it at all is a bit iffy to me.


I have no idea what shift + G does. products can always be improved, that's why I was scripting tonight, someone wanted a feature my product didn't have.
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