How mainstream are we?

If you did not feel validated then you would have disagreed with my claim that you did in the previous post, rather than focusing on the fact that you had to work to earn it.



Free Will is not random. If something is not random you cannot apply probability to it.



No, if you wanted to force a change you could hold a gun to my head. You might prefer it came from me but there is no "must" about it.



You are right. The answer is "it wasn't the validation I wanted" but I guess you will argue I'm not entitled to exactly the validation I want. But I didn't want to be a gadget scripter, I wanted to be a performer or a magic-theme scripter.

Improving a product you make is different from attacking someone else's.

I must sleep, Yumi, believe in yourself. If you want to be a performer or magic scripter then be one. You need to believe in yourself. Stop talking yourself out of it. You have talent, you're making excuses for stiflng it. I can give you a platform if that's what you need.

Wrong, I merely chose not to focus on that part to respond to.

You are not entitled to that kind of validation unless you are willing to make that happen, you have to earn it. So far nothing I have read from you in these many posts suggest you earn it. There is no inherent right for anyone to get validation of any type.

Look at your last posts to Ciaran, all excuses to not try and/or persevere. You can argue all you like but the only person you are hurting Yumi is yourself. You can choose to stay this way or you can do something about it and if you need help to do that then seek it.
I have already given you a starting point - you are choosing not to take that seriously.
If it were me and I had got to this point, I would probably be willing to try anything if it meant that much to me, but then this is perhaps why I am not in your situation. It certainly isn't due to "social validation" or it being a barrier to my creativity.

Except that most of the people I know who did get it, got it through sandbox luck with not much work required. They are now unbeatable because the support and networking they got is defining in the relatively small communities involved.



I am trying anything. Isn't this anything?

You are taking a small sample from your experience and basing your whole reasoning on this.
The break they got still had to be realised before any recognition was given, the effort and perseverance had to be there to earn their validation - they didn't just do it by sitting on their arse and doing nothing.
You say they didn't have to do much but that is utter rubbish, nobody gets known for being unbeatable at something if they are crap at it.
There was also no guarantee they would succeed just because they got that break.
You have also had your own fair share of opportunities, you just have not recognised them or realised them.

Nothing is unassailable and unbeatable. When I scripted my contest system there were other players in that field, I have if nothing else carved out a huge slice of that market for my product.

No it isn't, it is coming to the forums, feeling sorry for yourself and railing against what others have done because you feel entitled to the same treatment. Well guess what, life is not fair all the time, you have to make the best of what you have sometimes and try to improve things for yourself.
If you were willing to try anything you would believe me when I say that taking to an RL counsellor is the best chance of help you will get anywhere.

"Not much work?"

It only seems that way because I've got a lifetime's experience programming and being a mustelid.

Gabriele.. Someone sees them in a sandbox playing with particles, asks after their interests, gives them some pointers, next time he sees them they have a script working, and so on.. Sure they have worked hard but they have been given a nearly ideal psychological reinforcement environment in which to do so. Do not underestimate the value of that; but for the lack of that I would have 4 years' practice by now.

And SL, of course, can be fair.

I disagree. It has too large of a social component and I can't think of any social experiment or philosophy that has ever been able to make things fair for every individual. Things being fair is a totally unrealistic expectation. I personally don't many of us would like a fair world.

No, you do not know that for a fact. You could have had 4 years practice yourself by deciding to learn it yourself. You chose not to. Nobody else prevented you from doing so. Many people including myself have had to learn particles the hard way and yet we didn't give up.
You are overestimating the contribution of the tutor, it is not a make or break thing.
I am going to stop skirting the issue here and say that you feel unreasonably jealous of the accomplishments of others and are using any tiny amount of assistance they received along the way as a reason why it is useless for you to even try to accomplish simillar things to them. Once you stop blaming others for your own inability to persevere, you will be able to see that the only thing stopping you from accomplishing is yourself.
Until that time you will be stuck like this and unhappy. In fact if not you don't do something about it you will turn bitter and once down that path anything you are capable of doing now will fade and bitterness will eat away at you all the time.
Once again I say to you, the choice is yours, change and seek RL help changing or chose to remain in the rut you have climbed into.

Unfortunately, more and more people seem to want that in RL. They want everything handed to them without work, and no one should be allowed to have something they don't have.

To make SL fair, you would have to remove all spontaneity and individual creativity, preplan and script outcomes, rigidly structure everything, essentially really make it a "game".

QTF!

Amen sister, even then it would be unfair that some people had better reflexes than others, or better ability to multi-task.

Yep, this is the beauty of SL, it's in a sense the best of both worlds, there is a lot more responsibility that comes with running a biz or owning land and the limited avs you can have, and yet one can live in a under the ocean in a tea pot in a wombat av and it's cool.

LL hit the nail on the head here, it's a kind of chaos with choice.

Psst..the "Limited Av's" thing is not enforced. LL isn't keeping track, you can have as many as you want, no charge.

Maybe. But I do not see why it couldn't have a quest system, similar to FR or WoW, to imitate the effect of a sandbox tutor while bring available to everyone.

Plus, who is "us"?

Gabriele, there is an amount of jealousy I admit, but there is more than the "tiny amount of assistance" they may have recieved technically, but the.... Ta-da... social validation.

And as long as people have the power to persuade, it is never "only me" stopping me, because I am only doing what I have been persuaded to do. (I generally don't make choices.)

You need to let go of the whole social validation thing, it is overstated and just an excuse to stay put.


I am a really sorry that you cannot appreciate the real stupidity of what you just wrote.

Really, I wish you all the best Yumi and really do hope one day you think "What if Gabriele was right?, maybe I should explore that avenue". All I can think is that you are not yet at the point of desperation in which you might consider this more.

These two statements can't both be true. If people are asking you for help scripting things, they are not ignoring you. They are going to you because they believe you are an authority on scripting things. You aren't being ignored. Deal with it.

This.

That's cool, but for Freaks like Cato el Hate -oh using them, can LL ban by ISP?

Yes they can be both true. I know exactly what Yumi is referring to. At school there was kid who no-one liked, but he was a swat, always top of the class, and whenever any of us needed any help with homework, or just weanted the answer to a question, we would go to him. But other than that he was a social outcast. He was being used, pure and simple. It was so sad, when I look back and think of it now, and how cruel kids can be.

Yumi is complaining that she has been ignored 'personally' since the start of SL. Her only contact with others is when they wanted something from her. That is the definition of 'being used'.

Do you really thing that telling her to 'deal with it', helps her in any way?

Rock

PS Yumi, we have a great RP sim in Tien Llung (what used to be Hoini), come on over, and I promise that no-one will ask you about scripting.

I thought that one of the reasons for the over 18 years old qualification was because by that age most people had worked out that life isn't fair!

Pep (Whether you like it or not)

Kids?

There's one or two in most businesses. Most successful ones, anyway. System administrators, secretaries, clerks, sometimes a sympathetic middle manager. I'll bet you know some, or you've seen some on TV: sometimes they're even the star (though then they have a series of completely inexplicable love affairs that would never happen in RL). Radar O'Reilly. Gregory House.

Angsting about it just leaves you stuck in the hole.

Lear Cale flexes his virtual (intellectual) muscles.