Is spelling and grammar in chat/forums important?
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Kitten Inshan
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01-09-2008 13:37
From: Chris Norse Swan, you have posted twice in this thread. Both times I take one glance at your attempt at communication and then skip right over it. I am sure many others have done the same. If you want to express an idea, have enough respect both for yourself and others to try and make an attempt at writing where it can be read without making someone's eyes explode.
Like it or not, you are judged by how you communicate. It is a fact of life. Getting all emo and rebelling against the "man" will not change this. What is "emo"?
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Bradley Bracken
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01-09-2008 13:37
From: FD Spark Often my english grammar isn't perfect but in certain settings its more about trying to communicate quickly, sometimes if I am really, really feeling exhausted and ill which is 80 percent of the tim FD, I couldn't care less about your spelling or grammar, but I frequently skip your posts because of the way you blend all your words together with no paragraphs. I think it's hard for people in general but because I have a neurological disorder I can practically feel the neurons firing off in my brain if I try to read it.
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01-09-2008 13:37
From: Chris Norse Swan, you have posted twice in this thread. Both times I take one glance at your attempt at communication and then skip right over it. I am sure many others have done the same. If you want to express an idea, have enough respect both for yourself and others to try and make an attempt at writing where it can be read without making someone's eyes explode.
Like it or not, you are judged by how you communicate. It is a fact of life. Getting all emo and rebelling against the "man" will not change this. hehe too bad youre too LAZY to take the time to read what i say. im a really interesting girl with some well thought out ideas. oh well, your lose not mine 
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Colette Meiji
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01-09-2008 13:39
From: Chris Norse Swan, you have posted twice in this thread. Both times I take one glance at your attempt at communication and then skip right over it. I am sure many others have done the same. If you want to express an idea, have enough respect both for yourself and others to try and make an attempt at writing where it can be read without making someone's eyes explode.
Like it or not, you are judged by how you communicate. It is a fact of life. Getting all emo and rebelling against the "man" will not change this. I don't really care how people choose to post .. So much as I care how much effort I'm willing to put in to read something. If its too much of a pain to read, I skip it. ----- besides for those following along at home, I already Godwined this thread.
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Bradley Bracken
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01-09-2008 13:39
From: Swan Legend hehe too bad youre too LAZY to take the time to read what i say. im a really interesting girl with some well thought out ideas. oh well, your lose not mine  REad my post above this one. Sometimes it's not laziness. It's sad to have to skip many posts knowing sometimes they probably have much to say.
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01-09-2008 13:40
From: Trout Recreant Hah! FD-onese. I call my chat/IM typing style HTML
Hyper Trout Messedup Language. That is cute. I really like that. Do you also have your rating system for in world technology that you can you use. My closest friend has often have also rating system for things that I can do or in world devices or lsl pixelated typed technology. It's either FD-friendly or Non FD-Friendly.
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Chris Norse
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01-09-2008 13:40
From: FD Spark Chris. I know personally I often ignore certain poster's comments and threads where the writer is most often is putting down others and just plain seems like a jerk. I also judge them by and assume that because of their forum behavior they may not be someone I want to do business with or participate in social events with. That is your choice FD. If you don't like it when a spade is called a spade, that is also your choice. At no time did I call Swan a name, nor did I put her down. I simply pointed out that if she insists on writing like that, many people will not read it.
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Isabeau Imako
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01-09-2008 13:41
From: FD Spark Not that what I think really matters to most here but it matters to me. Aww FD, I'm sure what you think matters to many people. It does to me! As for passwords, if it wasn't for sticky notes at home, I'd be lost. I think, from many of the posts, effort is what most people appreciate. What I love about your replies is the fact that you always try NOT to judge. You take the time to write how you feel about something, and give your point of view without forcing it on anyone.  I also love when you change your signature every once and a while. Fun to see...
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Swan Legend
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01-09-2008 13:42
From: Bradley Bracken REad my post above this one. Sometimes it's not laziness. It's sad to have to skip many posts knowing sometimes they probably have much to say. i understand Bradley and i dont demand to be heard lol im here if someone wants to listen. im not begging for attention. its all the same to me. those who want to read my posts are welcome to. i wont know about the people who dont read my posts. i dont give it much thought.
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FD Spark
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01-09-2008 13:44
From: Bradley Bracken FD, I couldn't care less about your spelling or grammar, but I frequently skip your posts because of the way you blend all your words together with no paragraphs. I think it's hard for people in general but because I have a neurological disorder I can practically feel the neurons firing off in my brain if I try to read it. Yep that okay I understand I have my own health issues too. My world isn't going to end because You or anyone else doesn't like me or how I write. In big picture there is lot of good things about me that many people because of their own assumptions and prejudices will never see and I really can't do anything about this. But I am not interested in shutting up, hating myself because of whatever judgments they have about me. I don't really care any more.
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Snowman Jiminy
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01-09-2008 13:46
From: Colette Meiji I don't really care how people choose to post ..
So much as I care how much effort I'm willing to put in to read something.
If its too much of a pain to read, I skip it.
----- besides for those following along at home, I already Godwined this thread. That's where I was coming from.... I have no problem with badly written text, but I am going to prioritize easy to understand text first.
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FD Spark
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01-09-2008 13:49
From: Isabeau Imako Aww FD, I'm sure what you think matters to many people. It does to me! As for passwords, if it wasn't for sticky notes at home, I'd be lost. I think, from many of the posts, effort is what most people appreciate. What I love about your replies is the fact that you always try NOT to judge. You take the time to write how you feel about something, and give your point of view without forcing it on anyone.  I also love when you change your signature every once and a while. Fun to see... Thank you I often share my newest creation in my sentence. I wish I could figure out how to draw this specific creation glitch but not sure how to communicate taking a sledge hammer to prim that won't behave. LOL I realize most people don't really care about anything except their own stuff or those who are close enough to them very well. It always nice to know there are caring people out there though. I must confess I assume the worse about people because they often shown me their worse. It is always nice to know their are others care and don't make it their hobbies to alienate others,etc.
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Koukin Kamachi
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01-09-2008 13:50
Unfortunately some people are grammatically challenged. Others cannot spell very well. As long as a person can convey their message, that is all that matters. If they cannot, it is far more appropriate for other posters to assist them (some of us are good at interpreting badly spelt/formed messages) than insult them and behave pedantically.
For all we know, there may be good reasons for their shortcomings - but even if there aren't, that doesn't justify ostracising somebody from the forum community, or making them feel like they don't or can never belong to it.
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Strauss Ulderport
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01-09-2008 13:51
From: Isabeau Imako I've seen this topic come up a few times, usually OT in a thread, so I'm asking it here for personal advice on how much time someone should spend spelling, etc. Some of you already know English is not my 1st language. It takes me a long time to reply to a post. I use 'spellcheck' and reread everything, and I'm sure I still make mistakes. I often have to use my translation Widget 'cause I get mixed up with certain words. Sometimes I have to rewrite a whole sentence because I just don't know how to spell a word and can't find it in the dictionary (because, of course, I can't spell it, lol) I'm starting to think I'm wasting my time - no one probably cares one way or another as long as my point comes across... Inworld, it makes chatting really hard for me. I end up only typing very short comments and wonder if people think I'm dense, with nothing substantial to add to a conversation. What do you think? Should I just relax my standards a little? Any advice?  If you explain to those your chatting with it is your 2nd language I am sure most ppl will cut you some slack. However if its a formal, business affair and you want to be taken seriouslly, as a educated person then put in the effort.
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01-09-2008 13:51
From: Swan Legend thats hypocritical because ive seen you type in character on these threads as a dolphin and you were not easy to understand but i took the time to understand because i think everyone deserves a chance to be heard. likewise, someone who types with a dialect or using improper grammer may be purposefully expressing themselves in a specific way. why youd have a gripe with that i cant understand. but i think in general people with that attitude probably have control issues or insecurities. no reason to get worked up over how someone types. /me shrugs and flaps about a bit I think the post of mine you are referring to was the one where I deliberately wrote it so that it was difficult to understand... to make a point (I admit, it was more playful than helpful...  ) LOL - I am not sure how to write in dolphin character..... other than... ak-ak ak, tweeee /me clicks and whistles and goes looking for some mercury-free fish
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Joobilee Benoir
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01-09-2008 13:51
I think it all depends on the situation. Usually when I'm chatting on private IM's with my friends I use "shortcuts". I also use them when I'm at a club/coffee shop and need to get my point across about something I'm stating quickly.
I use proper grammar/spelling though about 80% of the time more so when I'm about to go on an interview or I am meeting someone for the first time.
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FD Spark
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01-09-2008 13:55
From: Strauss Ulderport
However if its a formal, business affair and you want to be taken seriouslly, as a educated person then put in the effort.
Not everyone is educated.
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01-09-2008 13:56
From: Strauss Ulderport
However if its a formal, business affair and you want to be taken seriously, as a educated person then put in the effort.
Not everyone is educated. I have been published in well known book in certain circles in real life in a anthology but I never completed middle school.
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01-09-2008 14:09
Isabeau - Your spelling and grammer in this post are EXCELLENT!!! My native (only) language is English and I have never done it as well as you do. Also, my typing skills are really BAD.
Communication is a two way street. The listener/reader is obligated to ask questions if they do not understand what is being communicated. Not everyone can grasp everything. I learn a lot just by listening/reading carefully before I jump to conclusions. That is (in my opinion) more important than a few spelling errors or a sentence being gramatically incorrect.
An English professor would probably put red checkmarks throughout this post!
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Swan Legend
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01-09-2008 14:10
S N O B S clear enough for you? i spelled it out
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01-09-2008 14:16
From: Swan Legend S N O B S clear enough for you? i spelled it out How funny! It always funny when they point out a spelling or writing problem you're having and type something incorrectly themselves as if they are perfect and can do nothing wrong. The behavior is snobbish. So S N O B S is good spelling for it. I hate to be critical of anyone but some who are quick to point out others faults often will find fingers pointing right back at them. Karma exist even for S N O B S. lol
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01-09-2008 14:22
From: Swan Legend S N O B S clear enough for you? i spelled it out You think you're soooo morally superior, don't you?
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Swan Legend
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01-09-2008 14:26
From: Alyx Sands You think you're soooo morally superior, don't you? /giggles emm no i dont but im also not intimidated and capable of expressing my own opinions, even when they are not popular
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01-09-2008 14:41
From: Brenda Connolly First off, your posts are alway a joy to read.You should be commended for the attention you pay to your writing. I set such a bad example at times. I am a sloppy writer myself, and a lazy proofreader I should take better notice before I hit send.
As the forum goes I think a reasonable effort to write coherently and intelligently, with an attempt at proper punctuation is appreciated. I don't care if it is the accepted from of communication, I have very little tolerance for posts that are nothing but chatspeak. and nothig will change my mind. Since these posts are archived and can be read by so many people, I think it's a nice reflection on yourself as to what you right. In world, I see it more as conversation that disappears once said, so making your points easily is important as opposed to keeping it for posterity.
One thing that amazes me and distresses me at the same time is how concerned and apologetic a lot of the non native English speakers are over their use of the language, and how a lot of us natives seem not to give a damn. I guess my answer is good for you for making the effort, but don't get too wrapped up in being perfect. It's the intent rather than the words. What Brenda said. Isabeau I had no idea that English was your second language you write it very well. I don't have a problem with bad spelling and grammar, only my own. However I tend to skip text speak or baby speak in posts, they irritate me immensely. I also tend to skim huge screeds of text that haven't being split into paragraphs. One other thing I cannot stand is people correcting my spelling or grammar in forums. I'm perfectly capable of seeing my own mistakes. On a forum I take less care than I do in a professional capacity because it is crucial in my job, one comma out of place and it could be a serious mistake on my behalf.
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Cherry Czervik
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01-09-2008 14:44
From: Bradley Bracken In the forums, I think people forget too often that English is not everyones first language. I don't get worked up about spelling, but I do get frustrated when there's a huge post with no spaces or paragraphs.
In chat, I am a big user of chat speak such as y and r and u. I make no defense other than it makes sense to me. I don't get upset when people make spelling errors either. It's going to happen. We are all frequently chatting very fast. What bothers me more actually is when people see the need to correct their spelling errors when it was obviously what they were trying to say to begin with. Here's an example:
Chat: My fahter and I went shopping yesterday. Chat: *father
To me it was damn obvious they meant father. There was no need to correct it. It throws the conversation off by doing so.
Just my opinion. Reflex reaction. I do that - my RL job involves a lot of proof reading and correction. I can no more stop myself from breathing.
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